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Bisexuals! hey you. i have a question...

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^I would agree. If you were a broody bi male, and you had a woman, chances are you would not enter into a relationship with a man looking for having a baby. It's harder, and not innate.

However do not think this applies to you. You are not with a woman, from your posting you seem to swing more towards men, so go for what you truly want. You will get it, do not over think this, as you are going round in circles my friend.
 
Sounds like you have some experience with this.

No, never personally. Just been around SLR way too long.

However do not think this applies to you. You are not with a woman, from your posting you seem to swing more towards men, so go for what you truly want. You will get it, do not over think this, as you are going round in circles my friend.

I don't believe po is bi (could be wrong). I think people are equating our hesitation with bisexuals because they think we are saying they will cheat. No, that's not it. It's that if you're bi and attracted to both, then it stands to reason that you'd desire the other sex at some point. Doesn't mean you'll cheat. Just means you're gonna want to go outside of the monogamous relationship, which for someone who is monogamous is a deal breaker.
 
^ Totally understand that last point. That does make sense, unless you are disciplined in sexual restraint, when you are bisexual we are almost(I say almost due to the fact I go for women way more than men) twice as likely to go outside of a monogamous relationship, as we have so much more choice. Hence why I personally am so very hesitant to get into a monogamous relationship - it was bad enough when I tried it before, and considered myself straight, but now I am in full swing of embracing my homo side too - well, I wouldn't risk it, unless I knew I was totally in love, and no just infatuated, and had been practicing sexual restraint for a good while - otherwise you are a slave to your desires.
 
thats not the issue though. everyone of every gender has the capacity to cheat. the issue is- if you as a bisexual were in a relationship with another woman and wanted a baby would you leave and have one with a man or try to have one with the woman. my belief is that people will always go for the easier option...

or if i have a baby, i want it to be with someone who i am in a long term, stable relationship with. right now that is my husband. but let's say we start trying for a baby and he is impotent. i am not going to leave him for a more fertile man. i will work with my husband and fertility experts to see what the options are. and then my husband and i would discuss what the best course of action is for us.

if i somehow how end up in a long term relationship with a woman down the road, we would take a similar course of action by talking to professionals who have experience with same sex couples who want to have a baby. then my hypothetical partner and i would discuss what works best for us.

i am not going to throw away a relationship because of a desire to have a baby. the only time i can see leaving a partner is if i strongly wanted a baby and he/she didn't, or vice versa.
 
Some bis pull this move, you're in a relationship and things are generally fine (which means boring and predictable esp. if commitments are made) then they want to break up (for little real reason) so they pull the SURPRISE I'm really gay, I just didn't realize it line. ...that puts the partner in the akward position of having to accept the random or sudden break up without much complaint or anger (because what are you going to say in this day and age)

That's what my ex-gf did to me. For 3 years she was all "oh, I'm bi" and then when our relationship got a little stale and predictable and she met a few new people she thought I would buy her surprise-line-pseudo-I-found-myself bs.

Needless to say, I don't talk to her no mo.

I often wonder if she'll ever be with a guy again though... and get married, and have a husband and kids.
 
What's good about it though? It doesn't fool anyone for a second especially if it was someone you were in a relationship with. The person just comes off looking like a coward and its usually only a move an annoying passive aggressive person would make.
 
Some bis pull this move, you're in a relationship and things are generally fine (which means boring and predictable esp. if commitments are made) then they want to break up (for little real reason) so they pull the SURPRISE I'm really gay, I just didn't realize it line. ...that puts the partner in the akward position of having to accept the random or sudden break up without much complaint or anger (because what are you going to say in this day and age)

That's what my ex-gf did to me. For 3 years she was all "oh, I'm bi" and then when our relationship got a little stale and predictable and she met a few new people she thought I would buy her surprise-line-pseudo-I-found-myself bs.

Needless to say, I don't talk to her no mo.

I often wonder if she'll ever be with a guy again though... and get married, and have a husband and kids.

If the person is really gay then they are not bisexual at all and never have been. Im a gay man but Ive always been truthful and I never had a relationship or marriage with a woman like lots of gay men do.
 
No, never personally. Just been around SLR way too long.



I don't believe po is bi (could be wrong). I think people are equating our hesitation with bisexuals because they think we are saying they will cheat. No, that's not it. It's that if you're bi and attracted to both, then it stands to reason that you'd desire the other sex at some point. Doesn't mean you'll cheat. Just means you're gonna want to go outside of the monogamous relationship, which for someone who is monogamous is a deal breaker.

I've had partnerships with bisexual men. When they wanted the other gender or even the same gender they'd just watch porn and it was not a big deal. Yes we were monogamous. It's like how when as a gay man I was attracted to other men I just wouldnt act on it since we were in a monogamous relationship and doing so would be cheating. The way a lot of heterosexuals and gays do cheat and do want to go outside a monogamous relationship shows how even if someone is not bisexual its probably going to happen.
 
Theres a lot of biphobia in this thread.

WHAT DOES BIPHOBIA LOOK LIKE?
Assuming that everyone you meet is either heterosexual or homosexual.
Supporting and understanding a bisexual identity for young people because you identified “that way” before you came to your “real” lesbian/gay/heterosexual identity.
Expecting a bisexual to identify as heterosexual when coupled with the so called different gender/sex.
Believing bisexual men spread AIDS/HIV to heterosexuals.
Thinking bisexual people haven’t made up their minds.
Assuming a bisexual person would want to fulfill your sexual fantasies or curiosities.
Assuming bisexuals would be willing to “pass” as anything other than bisexual.
Feeling that bisexual people are too outspoken and pushy about their visibility and rights.
Automatically assuming romantic couplings of two women are lesbian, or two men are gay, or a man and a woman are heterosexual.
Expecting bisexual people to get services, information, and education from heterosexual service agencies for their “heterosexual side” (sic) and then go to gay and/or lesbian service agencies for their “homosexual side” (sic).
Feeling bisexuals just want to have their cake and eat it too.
Believing that bisexual women spread AIDS/HIV to lesbians.
Using the terms “phase” or “stage” or “confused” or “fence-sitter” or “bisexual” or “AC/DC” or “switch-hitter” as slurs or in an accusatory way.
Thinking bisexuals only have committed relationships with so called different sex/gender partners.
Thinking that bisexuals can't be monogamous or would be more inclined to cheat.
Looking at a bisexual person and automatically thinking of their sexuality rather than seeing them as a whole, complete person.
Assuming that bisexuals, if given the choice, would prefer to be in an different gender/sex coupling to reap the social benefits of a so-called "heterosexual" pairing [sic].
Not confronting a biphobic remark or joke for fear of being identified as bisexual.
Assuming bisexual means “available.”
Thinking that bisexual people will have their rights when lesbian and gay people win theirs.
Being gay or lesbian and asking your bisexual friend about their lover or whom they are dating only when that person is the “same” sex/gender.
Believing bisexuals are confused about their sexuality.
Feeling that you can’t trust a bisexual because they aren’t really gay or lesbian, or aren’t really heterosexual.
Expecting a bisexual to identify as gay or lesbian when coupled with the “same” sex/gender.
Expecting bisexual activists and organizers to minimize bisexual issues (i.e. HIV/AIDS, violence, basic civil rights, fighting the Right, military, same-sex marriage, child custody, adoption, etc.) and to prioritize the visibility of so called “lesbian and/or gay” issues.
Avoid mentioning to friends that you are involved with a bisexual or working with a bisexual group because you are afraid they will think you are a bisexual.
 
^ That's a nice bit of idealism.

I don't see any "biphobia" here. Just people posting their opinions and experience. People need to learn the difference between experience and idealistic, politically correct crapola made to make people feel better about the stereotypical truths.
 
I dunno Lysis. I think a lot of out idea of a "stereotypical truths" comes from our penchant to use a crude form of frequentist probability in our heads, often combined with the spotlight fallacy. I bet if we thought in terms of Bayesian probability, or even put our stereotyped group on an assumed Gaussian distribution, we'd no longer perceive the groups in the same way.
 
Every stereotype starts with a truth. It's sensationalized and made into parodies, but these parodies are usually funny because they are true. It's just not politically correct to say it's true. For instance, Family Guy parodies stereotypes all the time, and it's funny because it's true. I do believe a lot of stereotypes are true and there are exceptions to the rule, which would be your gaussian distribution.
 
But my dear bioinfomatics moderator; it's KEY that one avoids the spotlight fallacy/obtains a representative subset of the greater set to normalize that Gaussian! An I.Q. test normed on patients in a Neuro critical care ward at a trauma center, or the inverse, on the students and faculty in the physics program at university of California would both be meaningless if applied to the general population.

Is it not a possibility that badly behaved people get more attention and thus we norm out mental Gaussian based on that sample, leaving us with an inaccurate concept of that group?
 
No, I think we are forced to accept cultural differences, but then we're chastised for pointing out the bad ones and only accepting the "good" ones. It also seems to be forced on us that we should only say good things to people to make them feel better about their bad behavior.

I don't really think cultural differences are limited to a small subset. Also, if stereotypes weren't so widespread and apparent, they wouldn't exist. I'm a computer programmer, and I have yet to see any stereotype that pink-haired white chicks are always smartass computer programmers.
 
stereotypes exist because people see a pattern then exaggerate it and try to add other things to it that are unrelated and then you have racism/other isms

but the original stereotype may have had a grain of truth to it.

i used to work in an airport with a lane on the x rays that would have flights exclusively to israel. now that generated a lot of antisemitism
 
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