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Best Supplements/Multivitamins

^ Magnesium is great for muscle cramps, spasms and rigidness. It blocks calcium from entering into the pre-synaptic terminal and therefore reduces neuromuscular transmission, which helps the muscles to relax.

Tyrosine could also be used a precursor to dopamine, to help with depleted levels. Phenylalanine could also be used, some pharmacies, especially those with naturopaths, carry it.
 
Vitamin D is extremely important. If you work inside try and get out and get some sun on your face and arms at least a couple times a day.

Vit C is over-rated as the body can't store it and you simply urinate it out if you have 'too much' in your system (you'll probably notice your urine change colkour after taking the pills)
 
L3inad said:
...I like to asses my diet with the good ol' fashioned primary school food pyramid in mind ;)
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The old food pyramid isn't really that great as our average serving sizes have grown so much since it was first established. It's also skewed far too heavily towards carbohydrates in my opinion (for anyone other than endurance atheletes). But that's a discussion for another thread :)
 
Vit C is over-rated as the body can't store it and you simply urinate it out if you have 'too much' in your system (you'll probably notice your urine change colkour after taking the pills)
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Taking a mega dose at once will have a reduced bioavailability. If you are planning, for whatever reason, on taking multiple grams of Vitamin C, it is best to do it in smaller doses over the day. I believe this has to do with ascorbic acid having to be converted into dihydro-ascorbic acid in the intestine before it crosses into the cells, where it is then reconverted into ascorbic acid.
 
Mr Blonde said:
I use a multi-vitamin and a B12 supplement as I was deficient in B12. If you have deficiencies you will notice a difference, if your diet is poor then you probably are low in some vitamins.
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Be careful with that combo as you might be over doing it on the B12 now. Probably a good idea to get blood tests again :\ (oh how I hate blood tests)

Too much B12 isn't much fun but if you're deficient maybe there's no problem.

I think supplements are great but as blonde said you gotta do a bit of research...swallowing a heap of random supplements isn't going to be much help.

Here's my experience with supplements/vitamins over the last 5ish years -

Had a blood test and they found my Magnesium was a bit low. Have been taking 'chelated magnesium' at 500mg x 3 per day and saw some pretty good improvements with my energy levels and needing to sleep less. Got my levels up into the normal range and been taking it ever since.

Other magnesium bits - for people on amphetamines, either rec or medicinal, it can pay to have a bit of magnesium daily as it's supposed to help with tolerance. If you're on something like dexamphetamine for extended periods of time it might be a good idea as apparently these people when tested often have low magnesium (can't remember the cite)

The magnesium chelate is absorbed 'better' which is why I chose, sorry can't remember the source :(

Fish oil - some good findings on this over the last few years. I take blackmores 'omega brain' concentrated fish oil and find it helps with mental clarity, seems to slow down and steady my thoughts. Stopped taking this several times and after a while I notice the difference without it. Got a feeling it builds up in your body so doesn't matter if you miss a day.

The blackmores brand has been recommended to me by doctors and other people. Apparently the best quality and most potent one tablet a day. Should probably mention I was diagnosed with ADD as a kid but not sure if I still have it.

Went on a general multi-vitamen for a few months but didn't notice any improvements so went back to my plain magnesium with fish oil.

Tyrosine - Awesome if you've been using stimulants then stop all of a sudden. Not usually does it have mood altering effects, but for people in stressful conditions with some sleep deprivation it's been shown to help. Makes me feel smooth with a certain slight 'buzz', even when I haven't had any stimulants in ages. I believe it's a precursor to dopamine?

Interested to read up on what other people have had luck with...only problem with this kind of thing is that it's so subjective/we're all different biologically/placebo can play a massive part.
 
I do my best for a good healthy diet (10-20 servings of fruit + vegetables a day, usually like 5 apples as snacks and mostly fruit + vegies for meals, well muselis + wheatbix for breaky. 3-5 litres of water usually throughout the day but 50% of it is usually my piracetam + choline bitartrate mixed drink/water and also a few serves of DLPA mixed in water for it's natural pain relief + oxycontin potentiator properties. (I take up to 240mg oxycontin a day depending on my pain levels from the nerve damage I have, I was naturally tolerant to morphine as in ZERO feelings in hospital environments from the age of 11 for surgeries I needed and oxycontin 'normal use' did stuff all for me when I first had it for my current injury. I got asked MANY times if I had taken heroin/other opiates before, which I'd never had touched before that time)

Supplements, 3-6 tablets of 1000mg spirulina, usually 3 in morning and depending on days activities (heavy activities I take another 3 tabs at arvo/evening/night). I also have Fish Oil, 1000mg omega 3 Fish Oil is name.


Excuse my early morning pain filled typing, grammar and spelling I guess will be impaired, plus Im looking after my 15 month old running about whilst my pregnant wife is still waking up, I woke up first this morning so I look after our daughter :)

Enough net for me for a while, till the pain meds kick in.
 
psytaco said:
Would you recommend NO2 products? I have been thinking of getting some for a while but I already spend enough money on bodybuilding supplements and a diet heavy in meat, so if it is of little benefit I doubt I'll bother. Could you recommend an affordable and good brand?

The only supplements I use are whey protein, creatine and glutamine (all bodybuilding supplements). I could probably benefit from a mutlivitamine because I don't eat enough vegetables.
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Almost all NO2 products get they're effect from a stimulant (caffeine in No-Xplode, DMAA in Jack3d) and AAKG (Arginine Alphaketogluterate - basically a more bioavailable form of Arginine). You can get AAKG super cheaply as a bulk powder.

They'll have other stuff like citrulline malate and l-tyrosine which you can get cheaply if you want. I've found it MUCH cheaper to pick out the main active ingredients, buying them over the net and mixing up you're own powder.


I'm a Martial Arts Tricker (Not me but give you an idea of the sport) and i've got a pretty good pre-session drink worked out:

600ml Water
35g Dextrose (sucrose/table sugar works fine too)
1g salt (not really measured, just a decent pinch)
3g Creatine
2g AAKG
5g Tyrosine
150-200mg Caffeine
60mg Pseudoephedrine
Lemon Juice for taste

Its pretty cheap to make as everything can be bought as bulk powders (except the pseudoephedrine) and mixed up like powerade powder (in this case i replace the lemon juice with some citric acid, without it it feels like i'm drinking sugar syrup, Yuck!)
 
Be careful with that combo as you might be over doing it on the B12 now. Probably a good idea to get blood tests again (oh how I hate blood tests)

Too much B12 isn't much fun but if you're deficient maybe there's no problem
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B12 is water soluble and even in high doses is basically non-toxic as far as I know... I haven't had any adverse reactions yet. :)

I'm thinking of starting up on fish oil and maybe some aniracetam or another nootropic. With my job and the study I'm planning on doing in my own time I'll need all the help I can get.

This thread is going really well, it's interesting hearing everyone's supplements and experiences.

Mr. White: That sounds like a nice drink you've got there. I don't do much exercise but I need to change that as I want to put on a little bit of muscle as I have about zero right now.
 
8L4YN3 said:
Hey guys.
Posted this in the Aus. forum because i'm looking for answers specific to Australia. Mods feel free to move this where ever you please.

Anyways, i'm thinking it's time to change my diet and lifestyle somewhat. So first step is to address my diet, i've got that sussed out pretty well.

Now next thing i'm thinking of is supplements. I pretty much want to give my body everything it needs daily. So all the vitamins, minerals, essential oils.

So far i'm thinking a good general multivitamin or two, you know like one of those all in one prepartions. And some high strength fish oil supplements.

I'm pretty much just curious what you guys use for this type of thing, recommendations and suggestions are encouraged.

Thanks guys. :)
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U made a very good choice to start ur healthier living whilst taking multis. I am a big fan of multivitamins and anyone who is thinking of increasing there well being then it would be ideal for the to start with multivitamins. Most of the current multis on the market are just rubbish, centrum, berocca and etc. They contain trace elements of each vitamin which isnt sufficient as they are so low dosed.

I use animal pak and its the best multi i have used, im goin thru my 4th tub and i felt a difference within 2-3 weeks. Its kinda pricey but u get what u pay for and contains a vast majority of different vitamins, minerals, aminos, anti oxidants, performance optimizers, joint and bone support and digestive enzymes and also milk thistle to keep ur liver healthy. Liek i mentioned before its a bit pricey but well worth it n its way better than anything that i have tried n i have tried alot of them.
 
Did some research and seem as though Animal Pak is for:

- All competitive strength & power athletes
• High-intensity training
• Athletes who use supplements
• Athletes who want maximum performance

Would you recommend for average joe like myself who is just after a decent multivitamin?
 
They are a bit exxy, but I imagine if you are doing intense training and/or weight building you probably have a higher need for vitamins and minerals and other supplements and these would do the trick.

I'm not doing anything like that so not sure if those are for me, all I know is I need to watch my B12. :)
 
sir pacman said:
So is it really bad for you to have too many vitamins and minerals?

I would have thought too much is better than not enough.
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Water soluble vitamins it doesn't matter. Your body will flush out what it doesn't need.

Fat soluble ones can cause trouble when they build up in your system. Vitamins A, D, E and K are all fat soluble and I believe one or two of the B vitamins are as well.
 
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