Best OTC Supps On Cycle

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In a few weeks I'll be starting another cycle and I was wondering of all the supps I currently take - which should I throw out, keep, up or lower the dosage.

I'll be doing 600mg/test c (EW) for 12 weeks and throwing in 50mg Anavar (ED) during the last 7-8 weeks.

Currently.

Fish oil (15-20g) ED <----General health, heart, cholesterol
ALA (1g) ED <--- General health, liver and heart
Biotin (15mg) ED <--- To replace biotin lost from ALA
Niacin (1g) ED <---For cholesterol
Psyllium Husk (several tablespoons) ED

I also take a multi but that's not really worth mentioning.

Suggestions?
 
looks fine but id add
2000mg vit c .. to many reasons to list tbh lol
50mg zinc chelates.. for prostate health and skin
2000mg gucosamine.. joint support
liv52.. liver protection
4l of h20 every day
 
looks fine but id add
2000mg vit c .. to many reasons to list tbh lol
50mg zinc chelates.. for prostate health and skin
2000mg gucosamine.. joint support
liv52.. liver protection
4l of h20 every day

2000mg of Vitamin C every day is overkill IMO. Even 500mg/ day is more than enough, even for someone running AAS. Taking that high of a dose will make your body dependent on supplementation, and your body will no longer process vitamin C from the foods you are eating. OP, the multi you are taking will have Vitamin C in it, and the amount in that should be plenty. Everything else should come from food. It is a water-soluble vitamin which means toxicity is unlikely, however you should take as little as possible when supplementing.
 
2000mg of Vitamin C every day is overkill IMO. Even 500mg/ day is more than enough, even for someone running AAS. Taking that high of a dose will make your body dependent on supplementation, and your body will no longer process vitamin C from the foods you are eating. OP, the multi you are taking will have Vitamin C in it, and the amount in that should be plenty. Everything else should come from food. It is a water-soluble vitamin which means toxicity is unlikely, however you should take as little as possible when supplementing.

im sorry mate but that info on vit c you gave is bs, my main doc the place i get my bloods done and my dematoligiist both say mega dose vit c isnt a bad thing and has no long term ill effects its also proven to help with depression,skin, homrone prodution collagen production and a whole host of other things ,
i like to see the study that states my body will stop proccessing vit c if i take to much as a supp8)
the only 2 ill effects form to much vit c are the shits and kidney stones if you dont stay hydrated
 
So there's nothing from with taking 20g (20 pills) of Fish Oil while on a cycle? I wanted to confirm that because I've found several random internet users on other message boards claiming that the fish oil should be drastically lowered during a cycle.

Also, heard that taking niacin along with an oral is bad news. They're both hard on the liver. Any information on this?
 
Looks perfect...Can't wait to hear about this cycle..I plan on running the same for my first time around...What's your pct going to look like?

Also, why not throw in some creatine? A lot of people bash using creatine on cycle but there should be no reason you shouldn't be taking it...
 
So there's nothing from with taking 20g (20 pills) of Fish Oil while on a cycle? I wanted to confirm that because I've found several random internet users on other message boards claiming that the fish oil should be drastically lowered during a cycle.

Also, heard that taking niacin along with an oral is bad news. They're both hard on the liver. Any information on this?

I don't think there's anything wrong with fish oil at all. 20 pills is overkill though. 6-8 a day is plenty. No need to go over that. Oxidization is sure to create free radicals, hence why you should definitely take the vit E.

A gram of niacin isn't too bad. If your liver is in already good condition, you should be able to do it safely. There's some metabolite of it that is hepatoxic but that's at near 2g daily doses. I would replace the niacin with a garlic supplement instead Also lowers cholesterol along with raising natural Test levels.
 
im sorry mate but that info on vit c you gave is bs, my main doc the place i get my bloods done and my dematoligiist both say mega dose vit c isnt a bad thing and has no long term ill effects its also proven to help with depression,skin, homrone prodution collagen production and a whole host of other things ,
i like to see the study that states my body will stop proccessing vit c if i take to much as a supp8)
the only 2 ill effects form to much vit c are the shits and kidney stones if you dont stay hydrated

No, it is not BS. I stated that it will not hurt you to take that high of a dose, but I am telling you, as a dietitian, it is not necessary. I am aware that there are many benefits to supplementing with vitamins, however, the OP listed 5 supplements he is already taking as well as an oral anabolic, and users of AAS need to understand the risk to their liver and kidneys if they over supplement. If the OP understands AAS then they are aware of how important a healthy diet is, and therefore probably get enough Vitamin C from their diet.

My point is, AAS users should try to supplement with the lowest amount of product (whether be it steroids, vitamins, or other supplements) as possible. Over time they may need to increase the dose, but starting small is the key.
 
Vitamin Overdose
By: Dr. George Obikoya

With the increasing popularity of vitamins and nutritional supplements, it is necessary to look at all sides of this phenomenon, particularly from the safety angle.

Fortified foods and supplements are in these days. They are ideal for both the busy and the health conscious. A vitamin pill or a liquid multivitamin seems the ideal solution to compensate for a missed dinner. For dieters, it means you can limit your calories while still getting all the nutrients you need, right?

What's more? These supplements are little regulated if at all. You can pick anyone of them up at your neighborhood grocery. More and more people today add nutrients to their diet by selecting foodstuffs fortified with vitamins and minerals. Manufacturers add iron to your breakfast cereals or they even add vitamin C to sweets or vitamin A to margarine. This is something that is done regularly by the food industry and most people would argue this is a very good thing.

These products are intended to boost your health, but they can be anything but healthy if you grossly overdo it. Taken to excess, you actually can overdose on vitamins and other food supplements. The food industry needs to desist from advertising health benefits that are not backed up by science or putting far too much of certain items, like iron in their products.

As with most substances, it is the amount consumed that is the key. Almost anything is toxic if consumed in excess, including salt, alcohol and even water or oxygen! Provided that supplements are taken in the amounts recommended on the pack by the manufacturer or retailer, and the recommended doses are not exceeded by combining too many different supplements, then it is highly unlikely that supplements will cause toxicity.

Water soluble vitamins - such as the B group vitamins and vitamin C - cannot be stored by the body to any great extent, so if you take in more than your body needs, they are simply excreted. However, the fat soluble vitamins A and D can accumulate in the body, but pose no danger to your health if consumed within the safe upper limits indicated for them. The exception is in pregnancy, when large amounts of vitamin A may pose a risk to the developing infant.

Combining supplements will not normally interfere with the way they work and in some cases may be beneficial. However, certain supplements may interact with each other, for example, there is competition within the gut for the absorption of different minerals and a large dose of one might decrease the absorption of another or cause excessive absorption of another. Generally speaking though, this is not a problem. Take vitamin D and calcium for instance. No matter how much calcium you take, it will not be anywhere as beneficial as if you took a moderate amount of both vitamin D and calcium together.

Therefore a high quality liquid multivitamin and/or mineral product is best for all-round supplementation because it delivers nutrients in the right balance. Before combining supplements, people should consult their doctor, pharmacist or the company manufacturing the supplements for advice, or simply stick to a high quality multi that has most of what you need and simply add the additional nutrients you seek for your own specific needs.

As our bodies age, they become less efficient at absorbing some of the nutrients from our diet making it important to ensure that the right quantities of relevant vitamins and minerals are consumed. For example, as we get older our bodies are less able to absorb iron but Vitamin C can help increase absorption, as can multivitamins in liquid form. On the other hand, we are also more prone to toxicity as even water-soluble vitamins are not excreted as much because of our less efficient kidneys. Individual sensitivities and variations in response can occur, so if any unexpected symptoms appear whilst taking a particular supplement, medical advice should be sought.

If you suspect that you're taking too much of a vitamin or mineral, don't stop completely. Nutrition experts suggest cutting back to about half of your current dosage. Your body has adjusted itself to handle a massive dose, so if you stop altogether, it could trigger a deficiency.

If you're thinking about increasing the dosage of some nutrients or are just curious about your present vitamin regimen, consult your doctor or a registered dietitian. This is especially important if you have an illness such as diabetes or high blood pressure, since large doses of some supplements can interfere with the function of some medications.

Nonspecific symptoms, such as nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, and rash, are common with any acute or chronic vitamin overdose. Vitamin-caused symptoms may be secondary to those associated with additives (e.g, mannitol), colorings, or binders; these symptoms usually are not severe. Each vitamin also has specific symptoms associated with its overdose. The good news is that morbidity and mortality from pure vitamins are rare. One study of acute or chronic overdoses, with more than 40,000 exposures, reported 1 death and 8 major adverse outcomes. Contrast this with most of the drugs out there, which can, overtime, kill or injure thousands out of 40,000 exposures.

Remember, vitamins and minerals are natural and your body has evolved systems to deal with vitamin and mineral intakes. Your body has not developed anything to deal with artificial drugs, which is why overdosing with many different drugs can and is fatal. As long as you do not go overboard with your vitamin and mineral intake and are aware of the guidelines for specific supplements (which can be obtained from the back of any bottle) you are well on your way towards optimum health.

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The recommended dietary allowance (RDA) for Vitamin C in nonsmoking adults is 75 mg per day for women and 90 mg per day for men. For smokers, the RDAs are 110 mg per day for women and 125 mg per day for men. A dose of 200 milligrams daily is almost enough to maximize plasma and lymphocyte levels.

Higher levels of Vitamin C are needed when under environmental stress such as trauma, fever or infection. Full saturation is reached with daily intakes of 200-500 mg per day (in 2-3 divided doses). This is a water-soluble protein, and anything in excess is excreted by the body. Vitamin C Overdose can cause diarrhea, gas, or stomach upset. Other side effects could be stomach cramps, nausea, and diarrhea, and an increased risk of developing kidney stones. Large amounts of Vitamin C reduce body levels of copper, an essential nutrient. People with iron overload diseases must avoid Vitamin C Overdose, as it increases iron absorption. Special medical advice must be taken by individuals who have kidney stones. If a pregnant mother takes 6,000 mg of Vitamin C, the baby may develop rebound scurvy due to a sudden drop in daily intake. Hemochromatosis patients should not take Vitamin C due to enhanced accumulation of non-heme iron in the presence of this vitamin.
 
I don't think there's anything wrong with fish oil at all. 20 pills is overkill though. 6-8 a day is plenty. No need to go over that. Oxidization is sure to create free radicals, hence why you should definitely take the vit E.

A gram of niacin isn't too bad. If your liver is in already good condition, you should be able to do it safely. There's some metabolite of it that is hepatoxic but that's at near 2g daily doses. I would replace the niacin with a garlic supplement instead Also lowers cholesterol along with raising natural Test levels.

Sounds good. I'll pick up some garlic to replace the niacin during the cycle and switch afterwards.

1 pill=1 gram so I need 20 pills for 20 grams. I don't take them all at once. I've been vaguely reading that obese people take 30+ to lower bodyfat and that it increases protein synthesis. Also, IronAddicts.com (which I used to lurk) is constantly claiming everyone should OD on fish oil for gains. I only buy fish oil with added vitamin E.

All I know is that my trigs were 37 after taking 15-20g (ED) before my last cycle. During the cycle I dropped it to 6-8g a day.

I don't really worry about vitamin C. The multi I take claims 500mg and it's one of the most common vitamins found in foods. I'm not worried.

Looks like all I'm missing is selenium and zinc. I'm 100% sure that multi has that covered.

...now to purchase a bottle of nizoral and spironolactone cream just in case. (Don't think I really lost any hair last cycle but I feel the front got a bit thin)
 
L-Arginine
Taurine
Milk Thistle
Multi-Vitamin
Protien (Whey, Plant, Casein)
Creatine
 
I sure do like lists. I went with the following. Been on before the cycle started.

Garlic/Cayenne mix supp.
Fish Oil
Multi
ALA/Biotin

Just started glucosamine because my left knee has a weird pain all the time. I really need to stop biking on leg day.

Thank you and goodnight.
 
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