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best opioid besides heroin (diamorphine)

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I am so sick of not having my heroin. I don't really like OC too much. I like HC better but it hard to find without the APAP mixed in with it. (I guess the 10-325 aint that bad) but is there something else I can enjoy out there that's pretty good besides those 3, ya think?
 
Morphine / morphine sulfate? That's been one of my all-time favourite opiates, even though it can be difficult to prepare for IV. I usually just take it orally instead.
 
I really like Dilaudid. Good for IV or plugging. All other ROAs are pretty wasteful with Dillies. Opana? Methadone? Fent? (I am NOT recommending fent. Many people don't find the high enjoyable and it's so easy to kill yourself with it.)

What is it you like about your preferred opiates? I'm just guessing that you don't like OC much because it's so stimulating. What are you looking for? The rush, the nod, long legs, suitability for safe IVing/smoking, etc.? What ROA do you prefer? Give us a bit more info and I'm sure you'll get some good suggestions.
 
jungleheart said:
I am so sick of not having my heroin. I don't really like OC too much. I like HC better but it hard to find without the APAP mixed in with it. (I guess the 10-325 aint that bad) but is there something else I can enjoy out there that's pretty good besides those 3, ya think?
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Doesnt matter if there is APAP mixed with it, with a simple cold water extraction you will be good to go with only minimal APAP :)
 
artaxerxes said:
What are you looking for? The rush, the nod, long legs, suitability for safe IVing/smoking, etc.? What ROA do you prefer? Give us a bit more info and I'm sure you'll get some good suggestions.
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What would you all suggest for a good nod and imitating the warmth you get with codeine? ROA: oral.
 
morphine, hands down.

morphine is the closest thing to heroin u can get among all opiates. they are essentially the same chemical.
heroin exists only in the external form, inside the body it's converted back to morphine.

diacetylmorphine (heroin) itself exhibits relatively low affinity for the μ receptor. heroin is a prodrug for the systemic delivery of morphine (which essentially means that when u do "heroin", what gets u high is the morphine).

i always get a chuckle outta ppl claiming to "love" heroin, but then turn around and say their second choice is dilaudid, or oxy or opana.
how can heroin be your first choice, but dilaudid or whatever else be your second choice when morphine is essentially the exact same thing as heroin.
it's contradictory.
when "heroin" is your #1 choice opiate, that makes morphine your #1 choice also by default.
 
I definitely like dilaudid. Hydros and oxys are 'okay' but dilaudid is preferred in terms of short term effect. That's also the negative, though: it's VERY short term. If you're looking for a really warm euphoria, though, it's great. Just don't use it regularly as tolerance skyrockets fast, and withdrawal is a bitch.
 
Naggers said:
What would you all suggest for a good nod and imitating the warmth you get with codeine? ROA: oral.
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I'm running out the door, so briefly, morphine. The BA is pretty low with morphine taken orally, so I think plugging's the way to go, but I totally understand if you're uncomfortable with that ROA.

I always get a really warm, relaxed feeling from Hydro, CWE'd. But it does make me nod sooner than I'd like. I'm not big on the nod usually. I'm one of those people who usually likes to get out and do things on opiates.

But you're looking for the warmth and the nod, so hydro sounds like it might be the best option for you. And if you can enjoy codeine you will probably be able to get by with a relatively low dose of hydro. And you can re-dose during the day (with lessened effects of course) to prolong the high.

But be careful if you re-dose. I'm a long-term opiate user and I was doing about 160-200mg OC a day, spaced out into a few doses. I had taken maybe 80mg of Hydro, CWE'd, in the morning. Low dose for me, right? Then I went to a presentation by a guy whom I was meeting for the first time. We were potentially going to work on a large project together with a larger team.

I was totally energized and feeling fine when I got there, ate 2-3 5/500's before going into the lecture so I'd be calm when I was introduced to him 8). And fuck me if I didn't start to nod during the fucking presentation. It was boring and the room was hot and stuffy, but damn. He was a older, drug-naive (I hope) environmental scientist so it was ok, but I was shoving my knuckles into my eyes the entire time. I got the project though. :D
 
kokaino said:
morphine, hands down.

morphine is the closest thing to heroin u can get among all opiates. they are essentially the same chemical.
heroin exists only in the external form, inside the body it's converted back to morphine.

diacetylmorphine (heroin) itself exhibits relatively low affinity for the μ receptor. heroin is a prodrug for the systemic delivery of morphine (which essentially means that when u do "heroin", what gets u high is the morphine).

i always get a chuckle outta ppl claiming to "love" heroin, but then turn around and say their second choice is dilaudid, or oxy or opana.
how can heroin be your first choice, but dilaudid or whatever else be your second choice when morphine is essentially the exact same thing as heroin.
it's contradictory.
when "heroin" is your #1 choice opiate, that makes morphine your #1 choice also by default.
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Couldn't have put it better myself.
 
For the rush id say hydromorphone IV. Words cannot describe the feeling from a nice shot of that stuff. I have plenty of heroin addicts say the rush of dilaudid beats heroin any day. However the high is very short so morphine is a good choice. However shooting morphine pills is a bitch to say the least and is dangerous.
 
call me a noob, but I think OC is overrated. Id rather have Lortabs tbh.

Whats as good as heroin but not heroin....Out of ALL the opiates I have got my hands on, I will hands down say morphine sulfate IR is amazing and does wonders. So morphine. Prefer plugged, never oral. But fuck those er shits. Those are very lame but I still like em better than perc/oc. OC and Percs are good for maybe an hour. Whatever floats your boat though. Morphine is boss status though. Fent is pretty good but that shit is way to risky and unless you got the lolipops it takes to long and ends up being a quick almost od or really lame and dull
 
kokaino said:
morphine, hands down.

morphine is the closest thing to heroin u can get among all opiates. they are essentially the same chemical.
heroin exists only in the external form, inside the body it's converted back to morphine.

diacetylmorphine (heroin) itself exhibits relatively low affinity for the μ receptor. heroin is a prodrug for the systemic delivery of morphine (which essentially means that when u do "heroin", what gets u high is the morphine).

i always get a chuckle outta ppl claiming to "love" heroin, but then turn around and say their second choice is dilaudid, or oxy or opana.
how can heroin be your first choice, but dilaudid or whatever else be your second choice when morphine is essentially the exact same thing as heroin.
it's contradictory.
when "heroin" is your #1 choice opiate, that makes morphine your #1 choice also by default.
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While everything you stated is technically correct (heroin essentially being a prodrug of morphine), I can see why people might choose heroin as their first choice but not morphine as their 2nd, and Ill explain why.

If someone is shooting these drugs, heroin and morphine, despite being so similar chemically, have a very different initial feel. Heroin crosses the blood brain barrier much quicker then morphine and thus has a much more pronounced "rush" then morphine does. So in this sense, the initial feel of heroin feels more similar to something like hydromorphone then it does morphine.
Also, morphine creates a much stronger histamine reaction (that pins and needles feeling) then heroin does, and many people do not like this feeling.

So, from this standpoint I can understand why morphine may not be someone's 2nd choice.-DG
 
artaxerxes said:
I'm running out the door, so briefly, morphine. The BA is pretty low with morphine taken orally, so I think plugging's the way to go, but I totally understand if you're uncomfortable with that ROA.

I always get a really warm, relaxed feeling from Hydro, CWE'd. But it does make me nod sooner than I'd like. I'm not big on the nod usually. I'm one of those people who usually likes to get out and do things on opiates.

But you're looking for the warmth and the nod, so hydro sounds like it might be the best option for you. And if you can enjoy codeine you will probably be able to get by with a relatively low dose of hydro. And you can re-dose during the day (with lessened effects of course) to prolong the high.

But be careful if you re-dose. I'm a long-term opiate user and I was doing about 160-200mg OC a day, spaced out into a few doses. I had taken maybe 80mg of Hydro, CWE'd, in the morning. Low dose for me, right? Then I went to a presentation by a guy whom I was meeting for the first time. We were potentially going to work on a large project together with a larger team.

I was totally energized and feeling fine when I got there, ate 2-3 5/500's before going into the lecture so I'd be calm when I was introduced to him 8). And fuck me if I didn't start to nod during the fucking presentation. It was boring and the room was hot and stuffy, but damn. He was a older, drug-naive (I hope) environmental scientist so it was ok, but I was shoving my knuckles into my eyes the entire time. I got the project though. :D
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Haha, cheers for the advice and the story :)

According to wikipedia, hydrocodone is a class A drug here in the UK (the highest class) without a prescription. Probably going to struggle to get ym hands on some. That sucks :(
 
Naggers said:
Haha, cheers for the advice and the story :)

According to wikipedia, hydrocodone is a class A drug here in the UK (the highest class) without a prescription. Probably going to struggle to get ym hands on some. That sucks :(
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Hey, at least you can easily get codeine over the counter without a prescription where you are. Here in the US we cannot even get codeine without a prescription.

PS-Im really starting to get more and more annoyed at the fact that I need written permission from someone else (a prescription), if I decide I want to ingest certain molecules.
 
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