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Benzos vs Barbs

dutchie3k

dutchie3k

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I was hoping there's somebody out there who can nail it down for me, somebody a bit more "well traveled" with downers. My experience with benzos is limited, and especially with barbituates. I have however, recently begun dabbling in them. The question is...

Benzos or Barbs?
I was just wondering what bluelighters have tried and if they could make a comparison between the two. Id appreciate a firsthand account rather than the scientific specifics of the substances themselves, as we are all relatively aware of these.

I came into a buncha fioricet (butalbital with caffeine and apap) and lorazepam. Thus far about 4mg loraz and a fioricet has been pretty loose, giddy. A beer (despite several heavy health risks involved) or a joint inbetween has me a whole nother degree of sauced out. I've experimented with heavy doses of liquid lorazepam, but not much else in the way of benzo's, and none with barbs.

I'd like to know if theres anything to be said for barbs outside of the shrt overdose curve, recreation wise.
 
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Barbs are very dangerous and can be lethal at therapeutic doses because they are powerful depressants that can cause cardiopulmonary arrest quite easily. Benzos have a much wider therapeutic dose margin and are much safer. Benzos are far less sedating while are similarly efficacious and don't cause hangovers in the same way as barbs.

Your mixing alcohol in any amount with a fucking barbiturate is plain stupid. Stop that reckless behavior now or you'll end up six feet under.
 
as artifical said, barbs are a ton easier to OD on than benzos. keep that in mind when dosing. for that reason, i'd go with benzos.
 
Benzos! Especially if you want to mix another CNS depressant along with it, as I see you enjoy doing. Funny thing i learned recently they prefer barbs in psych wards to keep the patients weak and uncoordinated. You see a bunch of people leaned against the walls walking down the hallway. It also makes it a lot more difficult for the patients to get out of hand and be violent.

Anyways I find that there's a lot more fun in Benzos, not to mention a lot more forgiving.
 
I much prefer the only barb I've tried, butalbital in Fioricet, to any benzo.
 
^ In what way? The subjective effects, it's therapeutic purpose or its ability to put you to sleep?

I'll tell you why I am too scared to use barbs. Say you take a few pills or however much you need to get a decent high going. You might get sleepy and a little careless or sloppy and then you could forget you've taken anything and then pop some more pills or have some alcohol or another drug. Then before you know it you're dead.
 
artificial emotion-
good point, i don't knwo ifi would be able to trust myself on them
but my experience with benzos leaves something more to be desired

what about quaaludes? theyre very rare (unless you're from south africa) but they seem like some pretty cool cns depressants, wikipedia said thy even have marked euphoria (which benzos lack IMO)
 
save the fioracet , for the mornings when your crippled with a hangover , trust me

when my dr prescribed them for my migrains , i didnt find too much recreation in them.
 
Artificial Emotion said:
^ In what way? The subjective effects, it's therapeutic purpose or its ability to put you to sleep?

I'll tell you why I am too scared to use barbs. Say you take a few pills or however much you need to get a decent high going. You might get sleepy and a little careless or sloppy and then you could forget you've taken anything and then pop some more pills or have some alcohol or another drug. Then before you know it you're dead.
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What you just described is what happens every time I take benzodiazepines (except I've never ended up dead, just imprisoned.) I forget I'm on anything, and start taking lots more. I almost always get amnesia from recreational benzo doses.

I find butalbital superior to benzos in a recreational way. It's more euphoric and fun, like GHB.
 
psychedelic nod said:
what about quaaludes? theyre very rare (unless you're from south africa) but they seem like some pretty cool cns depressants, wikipedia said thy even have marked euphoria (which benzos lack IMO)
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i dont know but i from what i heard they was the shit, great fir sex,
i heard pretty much every pill head played qualudes pill id # in the lotto
and itwon a shit load of times
 
When I was in HS, I loved me some ludes714. I took 4 at school one day. I don't remember anything.
As for the fioricet , I have 'em for migraines. They work very good in that area so I only take as needed.
 
butalbital is a shitty/weak barbiturate as far as that goes.
seconal and the like are suppossed to be nice but i have yet to try seconal

benzos i've tried------------------------------ Barbs i've tried
Alpraz ---------------------------------------------- Butalbital
Diaz-------------------------------------------------Phenobarb
Clonaz
Temaz
Loraz
i would choose any of these benzos over any of those barbs anyday.

someone mentioned qualuddes and i was wonderin, within the past few months i have seen methaqualone being sold by the gram from a few different people.
does anyone believe this could be real deal shit or is someone likely makin money off bunk shit, also i love my downers, ne one out there think i should give it a go or just trust my instincts and stick with xanies and vals?

if you werent sure the lines b/w the benzos and barbs mean nothin i just needed space inb/w them and w/o the lines it squezzed em together
 
If you'd only so much as glanced over what I said, I obviously don't need to be schooled in the pharmacology of CNS depression etc... I'm aware of the risks of mixing depressants and especially barbs. I was more curious about the recreational aspect of barbs, and in terms of barbituates vs benzos.

The combof the 3 was as expected, sauced out then slight amnesiac period. Butalbital on its own seemed a pretty shabby ass buzz. A kind of disoriented stuporlike feeling with zero euphoria. More like just confusion instead. I can't speak for any other barbs but butalbital isn't worth the hassle or the risk.

But if any other benzos are as straight as lorazepam they're top notch, very enjoyable even with a high dose. I've heard all sorts of good shit about 'ludes but they're old school. Only dudes around in the 60's and 70's generally had access to them, but a very mellow, benzo type of feeling if you can manage to find a foreign company supplying it or an underground chemist making it. As the above said there were fake quaalude pills containing diazepam seized not too long ago..not likely to find REAL ludes now, but quaalude almost sounds like a cross between benzos and barbs, effects-wise
 
I made reference to the effects of the drug on more than just respiration. The other comparison wasn't necessarily for you but anyone who reads a thread entitled benzos vs barbs. I think it's just worth being said anyhow.
 
Well it depends on the barbiturate, or the benzo.

For example, i've had the extremely good fortune to have tried secobarbital ( seconal ), which imho was the shit, better than any benzo i've tried. Sedated, completely free from anxiety, and the best sleep i've had in my life ( i woke feeling like a million dollars ).

But butalbital ( at least in the form of fiorinal ) or phenobarbital......fuck, give me any of the benzodiazepines over those ones.
 
psychedelic nod said:
artificial emotion-
good point, i don't knwo ifi would be able to trust myself on them
but my experience with benzos leaves something more to be desired

what about quaaludes? theyre very rare (unless you're from south africa) but they seem like some pretty cool cns depressants, wikipedia said thy even have marked euphoria (which benzos lack IMO)
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i've always been interested in 'ludes, they seem like really awesome stuff, the reports that i've read said that south africans smoke mandrax (methaqualone) and pass out for like 3 minutes then they're just chill

nice location btw:D
 
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