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Benzos Benzos and Psychedelics?

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Zardokk

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I'm not sure if this should go here or in the psychedelic forum, if you're a mod feel free to move it if you see appropriate. Anyway, I've been prescribed 4x 0.5mg Xanax (2mg/day) for the past 6-9 months for terrible anxiety and panic attacks and it works well. After a few months of adjusting to the med, I stopped using it 4x daily and started typically using it all in one big dose at night, and other times just sparingly when I had real anxiety. During this time, I also struggled with opiate addiction, got on Suboxone, and am now working on completing my taper and down to 0.5mg daily. The problem is that I have just started using a lot of Klonopin (probably 6mg/day average, plus my Xanax) to deal with discomfort from dropping my Suboxone dosage. I've only been using the Klonopin for 2 weeks or so, so I feel confident that I can ween myself down and off of it back to my normal prescribed Xanax dosage, but none of this is really the issue. My problem is that all of these benzos (and possibly the low dose Suboxone) that I need to not feel like utter shit are preventing me from enjoying any psychedelics. I've had 3 trips lately that have all been non-visual and non-meaningful, and all were done while on benzos. The last trip was 30mg 2C-C, and the one before that 30mg 4-Aco-DMT mixed with 20mg 2C-D, and before that just 20mg 4-Aco-DMT. It seems like on every trip my mind is just kinda zonked out and unable to let loose. I believe this is the effect of the benzos, but I would like some more opinions. Am I just screwed with tripping until I get off the benzos, or is there a way to work it out (ie don't take my day's dose until after I'm coming down from my trip or something like that)? Or is it possible to increase dose to the point that it breaks through the benzo sedation without being dangerous? Obviously with RCs like 2C-C, not too much is known, but plenty of people indulge in 50mg or more regularly and seem to take it, so is it possible that a high dose like this could break through my benzo sedation or should I just give up on tripping until I get the benzos under control? Thanks for all the help guys, I appreciate all of the great advice on this forum.
 
I'm not surprised that psychedelics wouldn't be the same on benzos and opiates. They're fundamentally different drugs. The former are about 'reaching out', so to speak, whereas the latter turn everything inwards. The former are, as it were, 'mind' drugs, whereas the latter are at least significantly 'body' drugs. I found that when I was on benzos and opiates I was just generally less creative, emotional and vibrant. So I would encourage not simply increasing the dose of the psychedelics but, as you say, getting the benzos/opiates under control.
 
I have no idea about the Benzo+Psychs question.

But, if your Suboxone taper is that uncomfortable, I would tell the prescribing physician to slow the taper down because you are feeling like shit. The idea behind a taper is that it doesn't suck that bad.
 
psychopath said:
I have no idea about the Benzo+Psychs question.

But, if your Suboxone taper is that uncomfortable, I would tell the prescribing physician to slow the taper down because you are feeling like shit. The idea behind a taper is that it doesn't suck that bad.
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I quit the clinic because they refused to lower my dose and made me go through cold turkey Xanax W/Ds. After a week and a half of that I was done, took my script and left.
 
Benzos certainly limit psychedelics... I don't see what you can do without quitting them.

While we're talking about how benzos limit the mind, I think this example illustrates well how strong benzos truly are. The limits on thought that you notice when on psychedelics are actually present whenever you take benzos; you just notice it more when on psychedelics since psychedelics are all about exploring the mind.
 
You definitely can't go as deep if you're on benzos, no question.

I've had wonderfully fun experiences on benzos + psyches (xanax + 4-HO-MET was great), but it's by no means a meaningful or deep experience.

Also, 6mg of clonazepam/day is going to get you dependent on benzos in a hurry, if you didn't know.
 
I agree with the above posters but since you're on benzos anyway just take a really high dose (still be safe) to compensate. When i was on benzos I could take massive amounts of 2c-p (or 2c-i, 2c-e) and smoke dmt or salvia on it and I didn't even care. Incredibly psychedelic but without benzos I wouldn't be able to get that far out without shitting a brick first. 30mg of 4-aco-dmt is quite a bit so maybe you are missing out, but I never found it was that significant of a difference with or without benzos, I just adjusted my dose accordingly.

^i love 4-ho-met and on benzos I mixed it with 2c-p a few times with no anxiety but I had very intense trips. I don't think benzos are trip killers, they just take that intense edge off, which some people enjoy.
 
So after reading th above post about leaving the clinic, are you still scripted to sub, or no? And why were you quitting xanax cold turkey? I'm a bit confused about that...

But all in all, there really isn't much left for me to say, but that it's the benzos that are taking away that intense mind-blowing experience away, which is what I assume you want. If you really want to tear your brain to shreds (in a good way!), get rid of the benzos, they're certainily not helping you with the psych's.
 
I think it's necessary to distinguish benzo addiction from single benzo use. If I was ever going to try a psychedelic, I would absolutely take a benzo first to keep me calm, as I'm an anxious person and would be concerned about having a bad trip. I've also heard people say that it's good to have some valium on hand when doing stuff like LSD>
 
What happened is the Sub clinic I was at refused to give me Sub unless I quit Xanax cold turkey. They said absolutely no benzos, and they did urine screens weekly. I even asked for something like a blood pressure medication to ease w/d and she said it didn't exist. So I left the clinic with the Subs I had. End of story.
 
I have taken sooooo many different trips while on every different kind of benzos and let me just tell you my personal experience. Using Psychedelics while on benzos is a waste of money, time, energy, effort and brain fuel. The significance of any trip is going to be completely dulled. If you were going to absolutely have to take benzos you could get away with like .5 mg of Xanax to take the edge off your trip, but it will still noticably affect the trip. I have had good trips when I just laid off of the Clonazepam or Xanax for a full 24 hours prior to tripping and then even used benzos towards the end of the trip to smoothly sail into sleep but being on them while tripping is just pissing in the wind. Hope that helps. - 12 day
 
i wouldn't be on 2c's and fall into benzo w/d at the same time. you can either save the psychs for when you're off benzos, or maybe take a smaller amount of benzos when you trip.
imo benzos kill your sould, they shut off the noise inside your head (good or bad), while psychs make it louder.
 
well they do give you benzos to take you out of a trip.....

here is a short answer, you will have to be dosing either no or much less benzos to have a proper trip.....you also have a good amount built up in your system, so it might even take a coupe days with no benzos for a good trip.....consider the half life of the k pins.....
 
smoked DMT on valium and it was crap. i would however keep benzos at hand if i was to try LSD or such longer lasting phycs
 
if i have any, i will always keep downers on my pocket while on stimulants. specialy this amphetamines such as 2c's. and as a side note, benzos kill trips but i've heard (not tried) antipsychotics are much better for this.
 
After my bad trip a while ago, i refuse to trip without some benzos in my pocket. I smoked too much weed while candy-flipping and freaked out. I was two hours away from home, where my bottle of Ativan was. So I had a 2 hour panic filled bad trip until I got home. It was so intense I had to take 5 Ativans to kill it, and I was still tripping, just not nearly as intensely and I was totally calm. Benzos allow me to go way out there with psychedelics, I often take a kpin before tripping to keep it smooth, and I don't feel like it ruins the trip at all.
 
friend took shrooms while on Valium,ativan,adderall, and beer.

i would agree with makes it self into its own trip. CEV outside were amazing and the brain clarity with many odd thoughts were present through out.

if taking a delic usually stick with one..
 
Took a half a milligram of kpin. +20 min- Took 210mg mdma on mid full stomach (5 hrs. since meal) I rolled hard, but came up kinda slow. I def felt great, but would prob rather nix the food and kpins and do mdma alone, personally. On LSD, I like to take them to supplement the come down and ease sleep. 7.5 out of 10
 
I think the OP is dependent on benzos, and if you cut your dose to trip it will be a miserable time. I've done 4-aco-dmt during withdrawal and had a manic episode. Cutting your dose for someone that is dependent is a bad idea in the first place, throw a psychedelic in there and it would be a nightmare. I tripped hard on benzos plenty of times, but I was dependent on them at the time, so I think a distinction should be made between users who aren't tolerant to benzos and those who are already dependent on them (as mentioned above).
 
As the OP, I can tell you that I may be dependent on benzos at this point in time, but no to the point where dosage fluctuations cause me any issue. I can go 3-4 days with no benzos and not freakout. I'll be irritable, but 5. Around day 5-7 I will start feeling like utter shit, but my point is lowering my dose wouldn't hurt at all. I can get by on 1mg of Xanax a day or I could do 5mg of Xanax and 4mg of Kpin and have a buzz.
 
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