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Bupe Benzos (Alprazolam) + Suboxone = effects similar to Methadone + Benzos?

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I used to take Methadones here and there for the high. I know that they would wear off (The high), but they would still be in my system with their huge half life. I could take a small dose of any benzos (Xanax was always my benzo of choice due to availability) and it would kick the high back into full gear, although it would be a little different.

What about Suboxone? I am a suboxone patient and I get no high whatsoever from suboxone - no matter what dose or roa (Snort, Sublingual, or IV). If I take some Suboxone and then take Xanax, will it give me a really strong high? Or will I just be feeling the xanax and nothing else, as if the bupe isn't even there?

Also, is it safe to take (small) recreational doses of Xanax while on bupe? I am prescribed to 2mg of bupe a day, although I don't take it nearly that often.

Tanks for the responses!
 
There isn't nearly as big of a risk as there is with Methadone and Xanax, but there is still a slight risk. The respiratory depression with Suboxone is almost non-existent, as is any CNS depression, so I would say you would be OK as long as you don't take ridiculous doses of Xanax while on the Suboxone.

But no, Xanax will not increase the high. It will increase the sedation, that's it. Xanax doesn't make the Methadone high stronger either, it just increases the sedation which some people confuse as making the high stronger. Xanax isn't able to make a high better. It's not a potentiator, it just synergizes with opiates.
 
^ That makes no sense. If you lose your inhibitions, you aren't acting normal.

I know what you mean though, but basically what you're saying is that you love Klonopin for it's effects, not the effects of the combo. If Suboxone only makes you feel normal, then obviously any other effect comes from the Klonopin.
 
Synergy. Okay. So with the methadone thing, I was actually just feeling effects of Xanax "While feeling the effects of the methadone" which had worn off hours ago. It doesn't "revive" the methadone high?
 
^ That makes no sense. If you lose your inhibitions, you aren't acting normal.

I know what you mean though, but basically what you're saying is that you love Klonopin for it's effects, not the effects of the combo. If Suboxone only makes you feel normal, then obviously any other effect comes from the Klonopin.
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Oh yea, I should have clarified that what I meant by normal is "not acting like an obnoxious retard" ha. But yea you're probably right, the specific effects I'm talking about are most likely just due to the Klonopin -- the Suboxone just adds some euphoria to go along with it, which probably makes me think the lowered inhibitions are a result of overlap of the two, when they aren't. Not sure how convoluted that all came out, I'm still a little buzzed.

Edit: Yea after re-reading my post I realize I definitely just expanded your two accurate, concise sentences into a confused jumble. I'm going to go to sleep now.
 
I think they overplay the danger in mixing benzos with bupe. Bupe does not have nearly the respiratory depression that is associated with methadone, thus making it less dangerous to mix benzos and bupe vs. benzos and methadone. Since you are pretty stable on your buprenorphine, I see no reason to fear taking 2mg of xanax. Now if you were using bupe recreationally and were actually getting high off of it, then I might reconsider. Should be cool though.
 
The only reason I think it's potentially dangerous is because the strength of bupe is so underestimated. It's not as risky as methadone for sure, but you should definitely use plenty of caution still.
 
Suboxone + Xanax is a good mix, but if your taking suboxone for opiate addiction and dont get high off the subs then its mostly just the xanax that you are feeling sense the suboxone just makes you feel 'Normal' ... plus subs are a partial opiate
 
^Methadone is actually not an opiate (it is an opioid), but buprenorphine is an opiate, derived from thebaine like hydrocodone and oxycodone...
 
Hm I thought the opioid vs opiate argument was settled by a simple check of whether or not said substance is produced by the poppy plant.

Example, if the chemical is in poppy latex, then its an opiate. If it is made FROM chemicals in poppy latex, it is an opioid / semi-synthetic opiate. Buprenorphine is not found in poppy latex.

I could be wrong though.
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The terms get cluttered up a bit. What I was trying to show with my post was that hydrocodone, oxycodone, and buprenorphine are semi synthetic opiates/ opioids (either term works in this case)(semi synthetic because they are derived from thebaine), but methadone is a fully synthetic opioid.
 
Bupe is listed as a partial opioid agonist. The only actual opiates I believe are codeine morphine hydro and heroin. Bupe is In the category if drugs such as fentanyl. Oxycodone is a semi syn opioid. I could be wrong tho? Which like on a drug test (such as a 10 panel) opiates Is 1 category and oxycodone(percocet) is another. Which consuming vic(hydro) u pop for opiates just like morph n codein. However other opioids would need to b tested for specifically just like the oxy is listed separately from the opiates panel. Like I said that's how I understand it I may be wrong n if so sry!
 
This thread has taken a truly pointless left turn. The question over whether a particular substance is an opiate or opioid is a purely semantic one and has absolutely no ramifications on this, or any subject. -DG
 
^So, what do you think should happen? Should someone start a thread on something so useless? Should the questions go unasked? I am fine with the topics getting slightly derailed if it;s not interfering with the main topic advancing. We can't keep everything overly moderated...
 
^ Yes we're humans, not robots. Like in the difference between natural opiates and synthetic opioids.

Back on topic, methadone, when taken recreationally, makes me feel up and alert, with the famous joie de vivre we French are (not) known for. I'm not high now btw, just wanted to say when I'm mixing benzos and methadone, benzos don't add to the sedation. If they synergize or potentiate I don't know, just my 2 cents at 6 am here ;)
 
bupe and methadone are both opioids , not opiates...only opiates there are , are morphin , codeine and the other alkaloids in the poppy pod. xanax just adds its high to that of bupe or metha not make it stronger , things that make opioids/opiates stronger are antihistamines , lyrica (gabapentin) , dxm and some other stuff....but for me 300mgs of lyrica (Gabapentin) does the job, but you have to be very , very careful , here in my city over the course of about 2 months 14 people died mixin lyrica metha or bupe or h and most of em benzos too.....
 
MistaBoogeyman said:
bupe and methadone are both opioids , not opiates...only opiates there are , are morphin , codeine and the other alkaloids in the poppy pod. xanax just adds its high to that of bupe or metha not make it stronger , things that make opioids/opiates stronger are antihistamines , lyrica (gabapentin) , dxm and some other stuff....but for me 300mgs of lyrica (Gabapentin) does the job, but you have to be very , very careful , here in my city over the course of about 2 months 14 people died mixin lyrica metha or bupe or h and most of em benzos too.....
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Bupe is a semisynthetic opiod as the gentleman earlier mentioned. It is a thebaine derivative making it an opiate/opiod.
Also as far as benzos go, TEMAZEPAM and SUBOXONE are an AMAZING mixture. Ive been through this many times. If you can go without blacking out you will see the sheer power unleashed of the buperenorphine and temazepam. Trust me on this one.. It is dangerous but I took 20 30mg pills with 1 suboxone strip (I dont reccomend this because I blacked out) but was really high first. You will see try a lower dose of temazepam maybe 90 mgs. Enjoy.

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