benzo withdrawl since june, now what?

reoze

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My story is a long and confusing one. I'll try to keep the necessary details in here. I also understand that what I have done, and what I am doing goes against recommended advice, both by doctors, and by people who know exactly what they're talking about. Trust me, I am on your guys' side, I believe a slow taper is the best way to do things, I did not have that luxury.

March of this year is when my heavy "use" began. Before this I used to take klonopin on and off, once a week maybe, truly "as needed". My addiction began with a huge dose and a fear of withdrawling from that dose. When I used to take klonopin, everyone knew it the next day, even a half a mg or a whole mg, I would be cranky, irritable, generally just feeling like shit, it was my counter-balance to keep me from becoming the addict I am/was. Unfortunately I realized I wouldn't feel like a complete zombie if I just took some when I woke up, thus beginning the vicious circle. To make the long story shorter, over the next 6 months I would take as much as 8 mg a day and as little as none for 2-4 days straight if we were running out. Beginning in late june/july I started to taper myself off, rapidly. Now by a taper here's what happened, over the course of a week I took 2 mg daily and then after that, as small a piece of a pill as possible just to keep the ocean out of my head.

This is where I thought I was on top of the world, "Look ma' I'm sober!". Within the next few days we had completely run out of klonopin and thought we were going to be perfectly fine. I start thinking about whats going to actually happen knowing the withdrawl isn't truly over, while I'm thinking about this, I get a little dizzy and thats all I remember. I wake up with my wife screaming and crying hysterically, I feel fine, albiet I can't see, everything sounds like it's in a tunnel, and I had such bad amnesia I couldn't even remember my wifes name for 10 seconds. Apparently I had just dropped to the ground seizing, at this point I still couldn't even believe my wife. I was unbelievably lucky, I could have been doing anything, driving, crossing the damn street, walking down the stairs, I cracked my head on the cement outside, I'm lucky I didn't cause any damage just from that, nobody was around when I dropped. After this we both agreed it was time to stop trying to be superman and to get back on a low dose .

Flash forward to present day, I've been on a low dose for about 2 - 21/2 months and it's getting bad.

The best way to explain it is I feel numb, head to toe, inside and out and I don't know what to do anymore. I'll burst out crying over things that barely even make sense and I can sit there emotionless over the death of a family member. My wife has been wondering why I've been acting more and more "retarded" lately and the only thing I can really attribute it to is the withdrawl.

Has anyone come off of benzos like this? Is there any advantage to my "almost cold turkey" method in terms of time for your receptors to rebalance or am I just putting my system in such shock that it is going to make it much worse in the end.
 
I'm surprised by the severity of your withdrawal given that your habit has been a relatively short one. But benzo withdrawal is a long and painful affair and I've been there myself.

If you had a seizure from stopping cold turkey then there's really no question of trying that again. You should just get on the lowest dose you can possibly manage and then taper from there at a speed you're comfortable with.
 
I wasn't taking them "recreationally". When the bottle would start to run out i'd choose to just deal with the WD symptoms. In any doctors eyes I was on a high dose for at least 6 months straight. The 3 day "vacations" (more like trips to hell until we could get a refill) were once/twice a month and really just there to remind me what I'm getting myself into I doubt it had any beneficial effect on my tolerance or withdrawl.

I had a seizure after going from 6 MG to 2 MG to 0 MG. It's been 2 months and I've been managing to get away with .25 every 3 days, I usually take a little more (every day or every other day) but I do believe I could cold turkey the last half a mg without having a seizure again. Honestly if I did have a seizure again it wouldn't bother me as much as you would think.

I'm really interested in hearing if anyone has done a "damn near cold turkey" (best way I can explain it, a proper taper would have taken me a year on the dose I was on) on the stuff. If there's any benefits to what I'm doing at all, or if I should go find my own psych tell them the truth and do it medically supervised on a higher dose using the ashton method or something.

When I take a .25 am I setting myself back that much? I heard it takes about 2 weeks for your receptors to start upregulating themselves in abstinence, how long does it take on a small dose like that?
 
^ This.

Benzo withdrawal is a bitch and it takes a lot of strenght and willpower to "taper" the way you did. You are absolutely determined to kick this habit at any cost and thats great.

Quitting benzos the way you do is harsh on your cns and includes the risk to seizure as you did which is possibly fatal. The faster you taper the bigger the pressure on your brain becomes and the longer the withdrawal symptoms will linger. Why not do a slower taper. I dont know where you get your benzos from but if its a doctor i would suggest to talk openly about this issue. If he refuses to support you with this you should look for a new one anyway. The ashton manual is great for detoxing from benzos. Why should you hurry? You absolutely want to quit and you will get there whether it takes 2 weeks or a few months.
 
Quitting benzos the way you do is harsh on your cns and includes the risk to seizure as you did which is possibly fatal. The faster you taper the bigger the pressure on your brain becomes and the longer the withdrawal symptoms will linger.

This is what I was looking to find out specifically or can anyone shed any more light on this? Not that I don't believe you, I believe it myself, there is just not much actual literature on it, it just seems like more of a common sense thing once you experience it but at the same time if I just think of it as my receptors needed to upregulate it seems the faster it's done the better.


The reason I've done it like this, and so harshly is I take my wife's pills, with her permission. She needs them a lot more than me, I can go days withdrawling feeling like shit and still function, she can't. So when the pill bottle started to look empty (last 10-15-20 pill even sometimes) I'd just stop taking them. Recently she was switched to 1.5 mg a day because she is trying to taper herself off too but still has the .5 to spare every now and then which is what I've been surviving off of. Our doctor who is the only one I would be able to afford is also the one who prescribes her so this would be a very very foolish thing to attempt to pursue as it might just set us both up without anything. After living in new york and dealing with their medical system I can definitely say this, honesty is definitely NOT always the best answer. Right now it's easier to live off the .25 and withdrawl than to find a new doctor and pay out of pocket.
 
The neurotransmitter system benzodiazepines interact with, the GABAergic system, is a quite basal one. In fact it is the most important inhibiting system and therefor it is crucial when it comes to regulation of every single brain action. In benzo withdrawal GABA concentration is significantly reduced so all the brain processes arent controlled any more. That leads to abnormally increased activity which results in seizures.
It is also very sensitive to pharmacologic manipulation. When benzodiazepine consumption is ceased abruptly it is like a shock to the GABAergic system that takes a long time to recover. For example Heroin withdrawal is over after 7-10 days, as you can see benzo withdrawal can last for months. Slow reduction gives the brain time to adjust and recover gradually which alleviates the withdrawal symptoms.

OK, seems like i'm a bit spoiled by the public health care system in germany. But abrupt termination of benzodiazepine description would be a serious case of malpractice since withdrawals can be fatal as i explained. Is there no other doctor you can see, for example one that is specialised on addiction problems? Or omeone else who can give you some benzos to wean them properly?
 
Try not to get too caught up in brain science stuff. Neuroscientists live in a completely different world with concepts and ideas that only they communicate with themselves. It doesn't matter if they tell you one week, two weeks, etc. It's such an early science and I would be willing to bet anything that the current "understanding" is going to eventually (quickly) be dumped and replaced with another theory.

Taking 0.25mg once in a while sounds pretty torturous. If it helps then go for it. The way I look at it is that if it's not going to create the effect I am looking for, then why bother taking a minimal dose when it would be just simpler not to take it at all.
 
You're absolutely right, legerity. What i wrote are only scientific assumptions, but the suggestions about benzo withdrawal are empirical values deducted.from thousands of cases. I really advise to stick to that.
 
My brothers girlfriend was unable to quite benzos. She could not handle stress off them or anything really.. it was weird.. She took them sense she was 12 though. I took them for like 5 years on and off but heavy heavy use. Beside sleeping problems I never got addicted...

Different people work differently. one thing to consider is maybe your better off on them? Though with a doctors care... Im not talking street use.
 
Your story and dosage pattern are similar to mine. I took benzos on and off for a couple of years to cope with anxiety from other drugs (chiefly weed) but between January and April of this year I took them regularly and heavily, in a combination of binging and maintenance dosing depending on how many benzos I had at hand each day.

I quit all at once because tapering was not an option; I was unable to have any quantity of benzos on hand without rapidly raising my dose each day.

I thought I was over the withdrawal after a week. I didn't really sleep for a week but then I started sleeping and feeling really good. However, very soon a new cycle began: I would sleep well for two or three days, and feel calm but foggy-headed and unable to focus, and then the horrible physical feelings would begin and I'd only sleep a couple of hours each night for the next three or four day.

I began to feel that I was being punished and to perceive signs of some malicious and unfathomable entity presiding over my life. On the treadmill I'd have to run until the digits added up to certain numbers, or else I was afraid I would be judged harshly.

I had a streak where I slept pretty well for a whole week, but at the end of it I took some Adderall and smoked some weed and ruined it.

It's been six months for me. I still have a lot of trouble sleeping and a lot of trouble thinking. It is like being emotionally and intellectually retarded. My feelings don't work right. At this point it's hard to let go of the idea that I'll be suffering like this the rest of my life and I deserve to be suffering like this the rest of the life. Though of course that is in large part laziness and fear.

My story is a long and confusing one. I'll try to keep the necessary details in here. I also understand that what I have done, and what I am doing goes against recommended advice, both by doctors, and by people who know exactly what they're talking about. Trust me, I am on your guys' side, I believe a slow taper is the best way to do things, I did not have that luxury.

March of this year is when my heavy "use" began. Before this I used to take klonopin on and off, once a week maybe, truly "as needed". My addiction began with a huge dose and a fear of withdrawling from that dose. When I used to take klonopin, everyone knew it the next day, even a half a mg or a whole mg, I would be cranky, irritable, generally just feeling like shit, it was my counter-balance to keep me from becoming the addict I am/was. Unfortunately I realized I wouldn't feel like a complete zombie if I just took some when I woke up, thus beginning the vicious circle. To make the long story shorter, over the next 6 months I would take as much as 8 mg a day and as little as none for 2-4 days straight if we were running out. Beginning in late june/july I started to taper myself off, rapidly. Now by a taper here's what happened, over the course of a week I took 2 mg daily and then after that, as small a piece of a pill as possible just to keep the ocean out of my head.

This is where I thought I was on top of the world, "Look ma' I'm sober!". Within the next few days we had completely run out of klonopin and thought we were going to be perfectly fine. I start thinking about whats going to actually happen knowing the withdrawl isn't truly over, while I'm thinking about this, I get a little dizzy and thats all I remember. I wake up with my wife screaming and crying hysterically, I feel fine, albiet I can't see, everything sounds like it's in a tunnel, and I had such bad amnesia I couldn't even remember my wifes name for 10 seconds. Apparently I had just dropped to the ground seizing, at this point I still couldn't even believe my wife. I was unbelievably lucky, I could have been doing anything, driving, crossing the damn street, walking down the stairs, I cracked my head on the cement outside, I'm lucky I didn't cause any damage just from that, nobody was around when I dropped. After this we both agreed it was time to stop trying to be superman and to get back on a low dose .

Flash forward to present day, I've been on a low dose for about 2 - 21/2 months and it's getting bad.

The best way to explain it is I feel numb, head to toe, inside and out and I don't know what to do anymore. I'll burst out crying over things that barely even make sense and I can sit there emotionless over the death of a family member. My wife has been wondering why I've been acting more and more "retarded" lately and the only thing I can really attribute it to is the withdrawl.

Has anyone come off of benzos like this? Is there any advantage to my "almost cold turkey" method in terms of time for your receptors to rebalance or am I just putting my system in such shock that it is going to make it much worse in the end.
 
Dangerous drug to play with like that. One of the few that can possibly kill you from the withdrawal alone. "Cold turkey" strategy would be dangerous.
 
i cold turkey'd it with some muscle relaxants and booze for a few days.. i was on 10mg klonopin for 6 months and i swear the CT had to have helped because i felt 80% after the first three weeks. now i take 1.5mg a day after being off it for a month i got back on it so i didnt have a seizure (i ended up in the hospital at one point, so i was terrified of having a seizure)

now i feel 100% back to normal, and i stopped in july
 
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