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BachIsDead

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First off, I'd like to introduce myself. I've been creeping the forums periodically for info when needed, but haven't really needed to post about anything specific until now.

My question is a bit of a strange one...

SWIM and his girlfriend like kinky sex; mild bondage, slapping, and public sex are especially frequent. Essentially, SWIM's gf likes a certain lack of control over the situation. A topic that came up recently for them is the inherent lack of spontaneity inherent in tying someone up, and the enhanced arousal she would get if this planning/compliance were avoided.

What they come up with was drugging: they have a nice dinner at home, he spikes her drink, she wakes up tied. The problem is, SWIM has been drugged at a party before and it was far from pleasant (drank 2 beers at a party a block away from his house, got dizzy, stumbled home and woke up 10 hours later feeling excessively nauseous, only to find pictures of himself appearing extremely drunk at the party during hours he had no memory of). Needless to say, this isn't exactly what they are looking for.

They both have experience in an wide array of drugs, and take nothing regularly. What they'd like is something to knock her out her for a relatively short amount of time (read: not all night), with minimal side effects upon waking. This seems like a job for benzos/booze to SWIM (with full understanding that the dose of both should by no means be excessive). He knows that the two potentiate each other, but does this also have an effect on the duration of the benzo? Any recommendations?
 
Sounds like a good way to overdose to me. Also what fun is kinky sex if you can't remember any of it? Ive had sex so fucked on temazepam that i was like did i cum? Um did you? No let's go again then.

It's no different then blacking out drunk and mixing alcohol and benzos is very fucking dangerous.
 
Overdosing is of course a concern, but SWIM would like to stress that this would a very modest dose. As far as not remembering, that is why they would like something relatively short-acting; the sex would come after waking, the point being that she wakes up while already tied.
 
Don't use SWIM here. We know its you and it makes your posts really hard to read. It is also against the rules and most Bluelighters will ignore posts with "SWIM" and the like in them. Please edit your posts so you're using proper pronouns.

As pa mentioned, this is risky behavior to say the least. What's the point of doing things like this if neither of you is going to remember it?
 
Apologies for the pronouns, both were edited.

As far as the risky behaviour, we are both rather small and have low tolerances to essentially everything. I once had a single 5mg valium with a pint of beer, which led to me taking a very pleasant but unexpected nap in a park. If indeed benzos were to be used, alcohol intake would be severely limited and the benzo dose would be small.

As far as not remembering, as I mentioned before the sex part would happen afterwords, the only point of the drugging is that she does not remember being tied. The sex happening after she has come-to.

If not benzos, do you have any recommendations for a short-acting sedative that would not lead to her feeling awful upon wakening? And, I might add, one that could potentially be administered in a discreet way, i.e. dissolved into any sort of beverage?
 
This is really bordering on two things we don't allow discussing of here. One is how to dissolve sedatives in beverages and the second is drug recommendations.
 
I fully understand the concerns of both disallowed topics. For the sake of the former, dissolving into a beverage is not entirely necessary, it just adds to the spontaneity of it, which is a primary goal (avoid killing the mood of her lack of control by lying down allowing herself to be tied). As far as not wording it as a recommendation, all I can really ask for is thoughts on various options as opposed to soliciting option recommendations.

This in mind, my accidental nap park experience was the main inspiration for a mild benzo and alcohol combo. While this option has rather well known risks, I was stressing that it would neither be enough alcohol to get you drunk on its own, nor enough of a benzo to get you typically high on its own. In addition to this, while dangerous in principle, that doesnt seem to scare off benzo users on the forum from talking about a beer or two to potentiate their benzo use. My weariness to take these anecdotes as a sign of even relative safety is precisely why I am asking whether a) if the size of the dose has any bearing on the duration, and b) how high of a risk the combination of small doses of both carry of severe respiratory depression.

Also, does anyone have any experience with kava/benzo combinations? Wikipedia has an anecdote on this also leading to sedation, though I can't find any info on how sever/long lasting this sedation is.
 
Yeah i agree. If going to mix benzo;s with such things as alcohol do it in moderation.
I have found 4mg or so seems to prolong it but not like opiates where you cannot get off.

And yeah, why do something if your not going to remember any of it. Risky behavior imo
 
I'm not very dead set on it, but when I casually mentioned the idea of it as a solution to the problem, she got very gun-ho excited.

As far as prolonging, I would not be high at all; and during the sex, she ideally wouldn't be either. The only purpose of the dosing is that she does not remember being tied. This is where a short-duration becomes ideal. I'd rather not dose her, then tie her, then wait around for several hours for her to be fully conscious. While a 30 minute sedative would be ideal, I don't have my hopes up for finding such a substance so perfectly suited to this need. What would be a ballpark duration of say, .5mg of alprazolam and 2 shots of whiskey?
 
i dunno - if you can get triazolam (IN A TINY DOSE, I MEAN TINY AS ITS AN EXTREMELY POTENT BENZO, the lowest dose is 0.125mg tabs, perhaps half or even quarter it) i think it would be better suited to this as it has a very short half life and won't leave you groggy for too long after you wake up.

i still don't think its a great idea though. it could end up very badly.
 
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i understand what your saying dude, heres an idea... if you want to add to the spontaneous-ness of it, why dont you just force her to be tied? instead of drugging her, just overpower her. Still makes it "Against her will" and nobody has to call an ambulance when your girlfriend is having a seizure on the floor.

Just an idea
 
I'll look into triazolam, synthetix. I live in a city where getting scrips is not a problem at all, so I'm not too worried about that side of it.

In response to opium, been there and that's not really what she's after (not to mention, overpowering her is extremely difficult, we are both 130lbs and thin as rails, but she has a black belt in both tai kwon do and judo). She is less into the overpowered and dominated side of it, the part that excited her was more so into the admittedly creepy horror movie style wake up and find yourself helpless.
 
There is no hypnotic that you can really administer at a dose high enough to cause a person to pass out and not end up producing retrograde amnesia with it. Even with a short acting benzo like midazolam or triazolam you still end up with amnesia for a long time after you've knocked the person right out. Mix that in with alcohol to help the knockout effect and you have a recipe for a ER visit or worse. This just has recipe for disaster written all over it really.
 
alright but remember be very careful with triazolam. it's one of the (if not) the most potent benzo available around. mixing it with alcohol is a surefire way to overdose extremely easily.

you could also try GHB. it's used to sedate some people and also has a very VERY short half life.

but remember, every thing dangerous in combination with alcohol. couldn't you attempt to "spike" a drink made from juice or something like that if you are really adamant to continue in this behaviour?
 
I guess this is mostly coming from my personal lack of experience with amnesia of any sort (with the exception of being drugged at a party as mentioned in the first post), but I had no idea benzos effected memory so severely. As far as triazolam, or anything in this range of potency, I would skip the alcohol anyway. The main purpose of booze in my original thought was just to limit the amount of benzo needed under the impression that this would also reduce the side effects of the benzo (is this true?).

I had thought about GHB, and had no idea its effects were so short. I have never encountered the stuff, but am sure I could get ahold of it if I tried. Will look into it.

As far as juice, yeah that'd work. It's slightly more conspicuous, as pouring a glass of bourbon is a much more common occurrence than offering some cran cocktail with dinner for us, but if any substance would work on its own, the alcohol is superfluous.
 
no, the alcohol will actually worsen the side effects of the benzo when you come out of the stupor induced by it.

perhaps you could dilute a coke with water, or find a non-alcoholic beverage that looks similar to alcohol you usually consume. how about apple juice? or a relatively strong tea left cold?
 
20 bonus points to you, synthetix, that is extremely useful info. It would be quite the disappointment to go through all the trouble of drugging my girlfriend and tying her up only to have her groggy and sickly when the time came, then going to bed in defeat. As far as something that looks like alcohol, the problem is the taste would be next to impossible to replicate. Any bad i.e. non-sexy side effects of GHB+booze (in modest doses, of course)?
 
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There is no hypnotic that you can really administer at a dose high enough to cause a person to pass out and not end up producing retrograde amnesia with it. Even with a short acting benzo like midazolam or triazolam you still end up with amnesia for a long time after you've knocked the person right out. Mix that in with alcohol to help the knockout effect and you have a recipe for a ER visit or worse. This just has recipe for disaster written all over it really.
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^This.

I'm all for kinky sex but I don't like this idea at all. It's not like there is a drug someone can take that will totally knock them out for an hour or 2 and then they will wake up feeling fine and alert, it simply doesn't work that way. This idea doesn't sound safe to me, and even if you are able to make it not dangerous it could easily go wrong in other ways and end up being not a good experience. Wouldn't it be enough spontaneity to just grab her and tie her up when she wasn't expecting it? Maybe you could do it in her sleep or something?

As NT said, we don't allow drug recommendations or question/info about how to give someone drugs without their knowledge. I feel like this discussion could be used to drug someone without their consent, even if that is truly not the OP's intention. The only harm reduction value I see here is the opportunity for people to tell you why this idea is not safe or how to make it as safe as possible if you still choose to do it anyway.

The only thing I can really say is to try to dissuade you from this idea for the reasons mentioned above, that it won't work and is risky, and to say that if you are totally intent on doing it anyway, do not mix drugs(/alcohol), stick to one drug. If you give her enough of a benzo or GHB to knock her out she is going to have other side effects, not enjoy or remember the experience, or be passed out for a long time. Be extremely careful about the dosing, you have no idea how much is appropriate or how someone will react. Unfortunately I think you will either end up with a dose that doesn't fully knock her out or that she can still wake up from, or too high a dose. Just because something is used in a medical context to put people to sleep does not make it safe for you to do so at home, and even if you can do it safely I don't think it is possible to have it work out like you imagine.

On further reflection, I'm going to close this for now, please PM me if you have a problem with that or have any questions.
 
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