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Benzos Being thrown back into benzo withdrawal after single use???

bdomihizayka

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I withdrew from benzos a few months back. I was not abusing them, used about 5 months 1mg/day klonopin including taper. I used Adderall 3 days ago, which I have not been taking since my benzos. I used a dose I could usually tolerate, and it was a non stop panic attack for 3 days, a reaction I never had from Adderall or any stimulant for that matter. Little sleep till yesterday, and that was only induced by Sonata....WHICH is what I am worried about. I took 100mg of Sonata to pass out.

I am STILL anxious as hell. My thoughts are racing. I feel like I am going nuts. Could the Sonata put me back in benzo withdrawal? I heard different things, like some people just a use or two of benzos can toss you right back into it....... I am really freaking out. My overall anxiety has not been this high in the longest I can remember..... I cannot even function or formulate a thought.
 
Try 2-3 grams of Valerian extract (liquid or capsule). It calmed down all my withdrawal symtomps and let me sleep last night. Though it's short-acting, and only lasts 5-6 hours, so you need a lot.
 
I think taking benzodiazepines shouldn't be used for a long time for anxiety.

You will get side effects, you will need to up the dose from time to time, what gives you more side effects and you will end up with an addiction.

Maybe an antidepressant (SSRI or TCA) will help you more.

You need to learn how to deal with anxiety, don't only take pills, you will need cognitive therapy too.
Learning will become more difficult when you're chronically taking benzodiazepines, while on them you won't notice that as much, others will notice it sooner.

Taking stimulants like Adderall or other amphetamine-like substances like ritalin or Wellbutrin can reduce anxiety, but when one of your biggest problems is anxiety, stimulants are more likely to give you more anxiety.
Antidepressants that also stimulate dopamine and/or noradrenaline reuptake in stead of only serotonin can cause this too, especially when you start with the antidepressant, especially ssri's, they stimulate noradrenaline earlier, serotonin takes longer, what can cause a raise in feeling anxiety or depression. TCA's work quicker against depression and anxiety (few days / weeks), in stead of weeks/months for ssri's.
That's why sometimes they prescribe an benzodiazepine too in the first week(s) when starting an antidepressant.
It's also smart to start at a very low ssri/tca dose and up the dose if needed when you feel ready for it.

Good luck!
 
Benzos are horrible. I NEVER imagined the dangers before taking them. I was told the were "non-addictive". Honest to god, I am terrified of ALL psych drugs after my benzo experience. Been to forums and found antidepressants can have nasty withdrawals as well. I was tolerating my anxiety/stress great, just got lazy with working out and went the lazy route with a benzo.

But did the Sonata, with that large dose, mess up my GABA even more or throw me back into withdrawal?? My psyche cannot handle another benzo withdrawal....literally. I will end up flipping out and hurting myself. It was HELL.

I am going to look into Valerian in the meantime... I appreciate the suggestion.
 
All drugs can give you side effects and all "psych-drugs" can give you nasty withdrawls.

For longer use against anxiety it's better to try an antidepressant in stead of an benzodiazepine.
The side effects and the withdrawls are lighter compared to benzodiazepines. Especially when you take it longer.
 
I think taking benzodiazepines shouldn't be used for a long time for anxiety.

You will get side effects, you will need to up the dose from time to time, what gives you more side effects and you will end up with an addiction.

Maybe an antidepressant (SSRI or TCA) will help you more.

You need to learn how to deal with anxiety, don't only take pills, you will need cognitive therapy too.
Learning will become more difficult when you're chronically taking benzodiazepines, while on them you won't notice that as much, others will notice it sooner.

Taking stimulants like Adderall or other amphetamine-like substances like ritalin or Wellbutrin can reduce anxiety, but when one of your biggest problems is anxiety, stimulants are more likely to give you more anxiety.
Antidepressants that also stimulate dopamine and/or noradrenaline reuptake in stead of only serotonin can cause this too, especially when you start with the antidepressant, especially ssri's, they stimulate noradrenaline earlier, serotonin takes longer, what can cause a raise in feeling anxiety or depression. TCA's work quicker against depression and anxiety (few days / weeks), in stead of weeks/months for ssri's.
That's why sometimes they prescribe an benzodiazepine too in the first week(s) when starting an antidepressant.
It's also smart to start at a very low ssri/tca dose and up the dose if needed when you feel ready for it.

Good luck!

^This guy knows what he's talking about.

If you're prone to anxiety and did some stims (it would be helpful to know exactly how much Adderall you took), that along could leave you freaked out for days. Sonata is not an anti-anxiety drug, nor is it a benzo, and no, one dose of something, even a high dose, isn't going to put you in withdrawal, let alone withdrawal for something you haven't taken in months.

It's not uncommon for people to be unable to tolerate stimulants without being on benzos, and it sounds like you may be such a person. If you're still feeling so anxious, I strongly recommend you avoid stims and benzos altogether, and pursue more effective, long-lasting treatment via SSRIs or similar meds.
 
I used to take Adderall every day for a few months before i was ever on benzos and i NEVER had a nervous reaction on them. They really kicked my ass the other day though. I took 90mg.. Retarded, I know.....

I heard on the benzo forums z-drugs shoud be avoided and also drugs such as gabapentin and pregabalin, because they have similar actions as benzos on the GABA system.

My mind still feels all amped up and just edgy......extremely uncomfortable. This sucks.
 
I am going to look into Valerian in the meantime... I appreciate the suggestion.

Good, as in the abscence of anything else it should be able to give you significant relief, if used right.

I must say, although I've been experimenting with natural supplements during benzo withdrawal with some success (and have found a combination of Magnesium, L-theanine, and a sedating herb like Hops can cut my symptomps in half at more moderate doses), I was suprised by how Valerian was able to relieve all the physical symptomps so well on its own. Though I've always thought it seemed like on of the few options that showed hope, as Valium was originally based on the same chemical structure. And as you know, the way benzos work in the body is very unique and there are few drugs that can do the same thing, even other Gaba-agonists.

The problem with natural drugs is of course that there is no accurate literature available on how they should be taken, so it's very hit and miss whether you get it right. The directions that come with the product are usually FAR too small to have any effect on something as serious as benzo withdrawal, and if you don't take enough to help in your situation it won't be effective. The main thing is to take a quality product, in the right form, and enough for your needs. Don't buy the cheapest you can find, get a well-known high-quality brand, or the one the pharmacy stocks (sometimes called "standarized extract"). It also needs to be taken all at once so it will all hit you at the same time, and not stretched out over hours. I wouldn't bother with any less than 2 grams if you're anywhere in withdrawal (normally 500 mgs can help put me to sleep, but in benzo WD, forget about it).

It also start working pretty much immediately so if it works you should start feeling relief very soon. It only takes 15-30 minutes for most of the effects to to show up, and 30-60 minutes for it to work completely. For the first hour or so you will be feeling occasional spasms and other symptomps to remind you that you're still in withdrawal. It's like the withdrawal is fighting with the sedative effect of the herb and your body is still freaking out underneath. But eventually it gives up and to calm down and forget about it.

All you're left with is a faster heartbeat than usual and some of the benzo WD moodiness. But this is nothing compared to being in acute benzo withrawal and a MASSIVE improvement. I think it could be described best as being in post-acute benzo withdrawal, or in the most final stages of a withdrawal where you know it's all over and you've come out safe on the ther side, even if you can feel a bit shitty, have problems finding pleasure in anything, and problems sleeping. But that is it.

But the way it takes away the usual physical symptomps, i.e. high pulse, strong, fast, irregular heart beat, muscle spasms, cramping/seizures, hyper metabolism, etc. is nothing short of miraculous and can literally be a life-saver. You never know how bad a withdrawal s going to get or how bad the outcome of a seizure will be. It also does a great job at keeping you from getting into that psychotic state with the accompanying panick and paranoia. The mild feelings of anxiety, irritability, and depression are very bearable in comparison. Another saving grace is that it can spare you from having to go through something you'd rather not, like going to the ER, or begging from help from your family. As this is something we all hate having to do and is really a last resort that should be kept down to as few times as possible (not to mention there will only be so many times you will be given any help).

So all I can say is good luck and I hope it works out for you. If you're really hurting I would start out with 2 grams/2000 mgs and see how that works out. I'm thinking the easiest might be to get hold of some high-quality tincture/liquid extract and dose as needed. This will also hit you faster than the capsules with dried extract which needs to be broken down, and I'm thinking there must be a limit to how much you can absorb at the same time of the solid form, so after a certain amount taking more becomes pointless.
 
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