Being Productive Without Stimulants - help

leiphos

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I’ve been on ADD meds since I was 10, and in the past 4 years started abusing them, heavily. In that time I've gone through a period of cocaine addiction, heavy mephedrone use, crack use, and am now smoking and snorting MDPV daily.

The problem is, without stimulants I get nothing done. I’m an artist, and they help creativity and productivity. I’m also a student and worker, and can’t perform as either without such drugs. I can't even get out of bed...

How can I break the addiction and still perform at all in life? How do I convince myself I don’t need them? Has anyone else succeeded at this? Thanks for any responses, I’m feeling desperate right now.
 
set a time and date, preferably in the holidays when you don't need to be productive to stop using. your brain will repair itself and it will take some time, don't expect anything to happen overnight.

this is probably the most obvious answer and i'm not going into all that much detail but it's what you need to do
 
I know how that goes. I was wondering if I'd ever see another artist talking about the speed/creative bent. I can only give you my experience with what has and has not worked for me in the past. Like you, I'm ADD, took pills for 4 years for it as a kid, then was taken off. The addiction issue that first cropped up for me had been coke. This was in the 80's, and since I never got high smoking/shooting it, (tried didnt do much for me) there simply came a day when I couldn't get any up my nose. I waited a day, tried and felt way worse after having done it so a couple days later the shit feeling started to go, and that was the end of my coke use.

Next came crank which I did moderate to heavy use til one day all sources just disappeared or dried up. I had been extremely upset then proceeded to slip into my heavy Rx painkiller/blackout phase. I had been so upset at being cut off from speed that it felt preferable to be loaded out of my skull and I'd try to sleep as much as possible through life rather than face a day sober. I defo do NOT recommend going down that road. Another 4 years later and I got hooked up with speed connections again.

I went through the next 6 years of binging/stopping off and on, having a blast and alternately being fired, broke, homeless, hell as there was constant drama of feast or famine until the end of 2000 when I'd finally gotten pissed enough at myself for almost losing yet another job, hence the start of my 2 year phase of using on a schedule. I knew I could not have shit in the house during my abstainance periods that I chose to be 90-120 days. I also did not hang with others that were tweaking or let them come around me.

To help with the detox part I had either used ephedra 2 pills 3 times a day with excercise even though I didnt want to. I made myself go on 3 walks or swims every day for a week and by the end of the 2nd week, I felt almost normal even though I was jonesin. I used alot of the suggestions in the book "Sex, drugs, gambling, and chocolate" and found the scientific information useful. It worked well for me for 2 years because after 90-120 days clean I'd plan an unpaid 7 day time off, no driving, no work, no responibilities shoot a teener in 5 or 6 days with one or 2 days to recover.

It worked great until I got some dicks that wouldnt let me have the unpaid time off, which started me quickly back to daily habit and calling in sick, not showing up, or being way late. I found BL by then and took the suggestion of detoxing using Taurine, L-glutamine, L-tyrosinne, and I cant remember the name of the last one but I was told to take each one 3 or 4 times a day with exercise so kicking only sucked half as much. There's also a drug I read about called Viga something to help speed w/ds you can ask an MD to write for you.

The only other way that worked was being in jail 17 days and the first 10 days sucked, but by day 11 the w/ds had gone and I was able to stay clean off all drugs/booze for 2 years by going to NA. I m ade the mistake of taking Tramadol and that woke up the beast again.
 
I agree that in all likelihood you will need some time off to rest. If only a couple of days, you can't expect yourself to function during that time. After that you could always attempt the "cross-addict" and start abusing something else like weed or alcohol. Otherwise, it is time to get real and consider if you want to be completely clean.

If you are a true addict like me, who has tried SO many times to quit....yet failed every single time, you should consider getting involved with the 12 steps. It is the most effective treatment for drug addiction available. I'm sure there are some vitamins and supplements that could help. I would at least be taking omega-3, a multi-vitamin, and an ACES every day. As always, a whole food diet based on mainly plants and plenty of exercise/stretching/spirituality will go a long way.

good luck :)
 
Stim withdrawal was not that bad, it was just 3 days of ugliness followed by a psychological change. I was doing the same thing I was before, except drug free. I took them again, got addicted and then stopped, and the cycle continues. The only way to change it is modifying the way you think or the work you do. Is your art profitable? You might just use them since you need it to get done, but at the end, what do you have?

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Its so hard to do when you're surroundings and everything around you remains unchanged. If you can go elsewhere, take yourself out of your comfort zone, the task of adapting & coping distracts your brain from its addiction and 're-sets' it almost so you can start your renaissance.
 
24 years old, Chronic ADHD, Ritalin since 8, heavy abuse since 12, Quit at 20, Steady mental breakdown for 4 years until psychotic, alcoholic, depressed, anxiety, insomnia.

Started taking ritalin again recently, I no longer drink, I am not depressed, I am not anxious and I sleep the same.

My personal opinion?
Stay on the meds, your brain needed it since birth. Find ur stimulant and enjoy life.

I'm to tired to go into detail but I can answer any questions.
Once an ADD brain experiences stimulants, you experience what its like to think normally. I wonder why the hell i stopped stimulants in the first place and it led to worse issues. This is a personal opinion and people vary but I would rather live another 20 years years of stimulant use than 60 more years without add treatment(abuse or not)

I will edit this more another time but whatever you do think about your health and safety and don't let people judge you.
 
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i had to consider this with coke...
couldnt understand how or why to stop...
but i doubt i have add.

the theory makes perfect sense to me, and if i hadnt spun dry with the stuff already, and was diagnosed with add i would avoid stims very strictly because of this.
or bipolar/manic, any sort of schizo-type... anyone in general really, hah.


honestly though, i dont think i want to see what % of americans born in the 70's-80's-and 90's, are put on ritilan or the like before 12.
i was on it early, but the diagnosis didnt stick...
shit to consider.
the stuff aint right man.
 
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Student who takes addys here. U feel like I can't do hw or study without em now.


Take a month off and start at a dosagw u think will let u focus (prolly more than what ur rx says) don't exepect a high and don't try to get one
 
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