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Social Because death is unknown to the living

M!$TER-ED said:
Give me the liberty of total freedom
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“When forms that you had identified with, that gave you your sense of self, collapse or are taken away, it can lead to a collapse of the ego, since ego is identification with form. When there is nothing to identify with anymore, who are you? When forms around you die or death approaches, your sense of Beingness, of I Am, is freed from its entanglement with form: Spirit is released from its imprisonment in matter. You realize your essential identity as formless, as an all-Pervasive presence, of Being prior to all forms, all identifications. You realize your true identity as consciousness itself, rather than what consciousness had identified with. That’s the peace of God. The ultimate truth of who you are is not I am this or that, but I Am.”

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M!$TER-ED said:
duality may get me one of two places or perhaps both, in the case of life and death. Give me the liberty of total freedom or give me death. The latter is probably the solution for both.
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Robert Anton Wilson said it another way.......
 
Zopiclone bandit said:
“When forms that you had identified with, that gave you your sense of self, collapse or are taken away, it can lead to a collapse of the ego, since ego is identification with form. When there is nothing to identify with anymore, who are you? When forms around you die or death approaches, your sense of Beingness, of I Am, is freed from its entanglement with form: Spirit is released from its imprisonment in matter. You realize your essential identity as formless, as an all-Pervasive presence, of Being prior to all forms, all identifications. You realize your true identity as consciousness itself, rather than what consciousness had identified with. That’s the peace of God. The ultimate truth of who you are is not I am this or that, but I Am.”

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Of course, that's what Jesus said; I am Religion tells you you have to submit to god in order to know him. This is a false assumption when what you need is awareness of self. God is a distraction from the true you. God is as you would have god to be. I don't see myself as god but I am the creator of self and if I choose to believe in god, that is my creation as well.
 
M!$TER-ED said:
Because death is unknown to the living it is assumed that life is the prize we seek, when indeed, it may be death we cherish most, when it is all said and done.
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personally I subscribe to the philosophy that I have no fucking clue whats going on and I'm just along for the ride :LOL:

You should never assume anything (unless it is convenient to do so for some scientific or mathematical model you are working on :LOL:)

Also should it be death I cherish most? Even if all is said and done? (I ask this because I am alive and don't have any information about the alternative)
 
jasperkent said:
I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.
-- Mark Twain
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Interesting quote but...
Vanilla_Incense said:
Also should it be death I cherish most? Even if all is said and done? (I ask this because I am alive and don't have any information about the alternative)
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I don't have information about what happens when you die so I'll live my life as if nothing will happen after :p. I may as well live it the best way I can. Not worry about death or fear it but make the best of what I know I have.
 
M!$TER-ED said:
Because death is unknown to the living it is assumed that life is the prize we seek, when indeed, it may be death we cherish most, when it is all said and done.
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"My" experience of near-death has been that it's non-dual. Not sure it's necessarily accurate to say that it's unknown to the living. It may be unknown to the mind/ego but it's not unknown to the being, which is non-dual. In other words life vs. death is a mind-body invention to help us conceptualize what came before vs. what's happening now vs. what comes later. When you quiet the mind and these concepts are gone, there is just one thing happening, one reality.

The only reason we can have these referents is because of memory. The previous moment is gone and the future moment doesn't exist. There's only now. However, memory makes it seem otherwise.

Even memory isn't exactly what happened. It's imperfectly encoded. However, memory is also part emotion, so the emotion tells us that the memory we're experiencing is exactly as it happened, it "feels true." However, the memory is actually flawed and neuroscience shows us that each time the memory is retrieved, it is modified by present awareness. It's like experiencing a copy of a copy of a copy. You keep re-saving a copy, to be experienced later. It gets diluted on each remembering until it's even more unlike the original event.

To understand death you just need to inquire into the nature of mind. The answers are all there. Everything is impermanent and attachment to memory or any other rhetorical advice prevents us from seeing the impermanence that our lives are already steeped in. We assume permanence just like we assume memory is accurate, because the feeling of permanence is how we create internal stability to cope with the forces of nature. Humans die and are reborn every day. It's a micro-cycle that repeats endlessly. Biological death is therefore just another present moment that will someday be experienced by nondual consciousness that has no stake in the game, and never did.
 
Zopiclone bandit said:
“When forms that you had identified with, that gave you your sense of self, collapse or are taken away, it can lead to a collapse of the ego, since ego is identification with form. When there is nothing to identify with anymore, who are you? When forms around you die or death approaches, your sense of Beingness, of I Am, is freed from its entanglement with form: Spirit is released from its imprisonment in matter. You realize your essential identity as formless, as an all-Pervasive presence, of Being prior to all forms, all identifications. You realize your true identity as consciousness itself, rather than what consciousness had identified with. That’s the peace of God. The ultimate truth of who you are is not I am this or that, but I Am.”

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He meant “give me Librium or give me meth.”
 
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