Misc Barbs and codeine aka fioricet

[Atadblown]

Alright so I get these headaches, and I got prescribed fioricet. There is apap 325 mg, 50 mg of butalbital, 40mg of caffeine, and 30 mg of codeine. I was wondering if I could do a cwe or some sort of extraction and still keep the codeine amd the butalbital? If not how many could I take of these and get some sort of buzz safely? Any response is helpful

Also I have no opiate or a very little opiate tolerance and no barbiturate tolerance.

 

[sekio]

You can extract the codeine and caffeine with a CWE but not the barbiturate. Somehow I don't think that's what you're after.

Butalbital's water solubility is 1.7 mg/mL at 25°C. Acetaminophen solubility is ~12 mg/mL at 20C. So any CWE you would run would not be able to seperate butalbital and acetaminophen very well. Because butalbital lacks a basic nitrogen atom I don't think you can acid/base extract it either like a typical alkaloid. You might be able to extract it under alkaline conditions but that would leave the codeine behind.

So the long and short answer is there's no way to safely (ab)use Fiorecet preparations, unfortunately.

 

[Alex000]

Honestly, barbiturates and opiates, together, make for a potentially very dangerous situation; just be really careful. I would say take two, if you want to be nice and relaxed. But, do not exceed six pills in a twenty-four hour period, under any circumstances - butalbital stays about in your system much longer than you might feel it, making re-dosing potentially quite dangerous. Two should do you quite nicely without tolerance to either opiates or barbiturates. I have fairly extensive experience with butalbital, but I have a good source, and I seem to like it much more than other users have reported. I think people tend to underestimate the power of barbiturates because they are quite uncommon relative to so many other pharmaceuticals in today's world, so treat them with ample respect. Each Fioricet w/ Codeine doesn't have a ton of codeine relative to what a lot of opiate users would use, but it has enough for someone without tolerance to feel opiate euphoria - even one pill could do it, but two would do it better. Incidentally, barbiturates are euphoriants by themselves, too, and one pill could be enough to give someone with no barbiturate tolerance a nice, relaxed little buzz, but, again, two would do it better. You don't need to do any CWE, taking only two pills, and not exceeding six in a twenty-four hour period. Make sure, though, you do not feel that two pills underwhelms you, because the difference between even two and three is greater than you might think with these drugs in this formulation, especially for someone with no tolerance. Barbiturates, alone, are VERY dangerous drugs, with narrow therapeutic indexes - basically, it doesn't take all that much more to kill you than it does to produce the desired effect, relative to most other drugs. Opiates are fairly dangerous in that way, too, usually when being taken with other CNS depressants, as you will be doing. So, please, please, have fun, but be careful.

 

[TheLostBoys]

Do they still make any worthwhile barbs?

I remember back in the day hearing about yellow jackets but never have taken any barbs in my life......I've just read & heard of others taking them.

I remember watching the movie, "Drugstore Cowboy" & they were shooting up "blues" & I believe they had reds as well........that stuff had to be seriously dangerous to shoot up.

From everything I've read, barbs can be very dangerous so be careful........

 

[Alex000]

Do they still make any worthwhile barbs?

They do, yes, but they are very hard to really get. From my understanding, Seconal (reds) is still produced as a capsule, which is an almost impossible prescription to obtain unless you have tried and true evidence of severe insomnia or other severe sleep disorders that do not respond to the typical hypnotics - VERY rarely prescribed. Other than that, I do not believe there are any pharmaceuticals intended for oral administration and outpatient use containing barbiturates other than those containing phenobarbital and butalbital. However, the infamous barbs of the past aren't really gone, and are not seldom used in anesthesia - they tend to hang around veterinary medicine quite a bit, where they are used as anesthetics and agents to perform euthanasia.

 

[Atadblown]

Thanks for the response I took two and I felt pretty chill. Maybe I might try three but I will be safe thank you for the useful information.

 

[neversickanymore]

Have you looked into if these are migraines? Cause many people find very good relief from some of the migraine meds out there.

 

[Atadblown]

Yes I have I just got put on the fioricet last night in the ER.I had a cat scan last week and I'm seeing a neurologist next week. Also I'm on topamax 100 mg for migraines but that's not helping.

 

[neversickanymore]

Sorry to hear that.. migraines can be really difficult to treat but many people find good relief. I found great relief in axert.. but I think its pretty individual.

 

[Atadblown]

I'll ask my doc about it when I see him next week thanks

 

[Atadblown]

I would like to add I took 2 of my meds this morning as prescribed and it is a miracle it is the only medication that seems to help. Plus I feel a little loopy lmao

 

[Phat5o]

Do they still make any worthwhile barbs?

I remember back in the day hearing about yellow jackets but never have taken any barbs in my life......I've just read & heard of others taking them.

I remember watching the movie, "Drugstore Cowboy" & they were shooting up "blues" & I believe they had reds as well........that stuff had to be seriously dangerous to shoot up.

From everything I've read, barbs can be very dangerous so be careful........

i have tried a type of barbiturate, duno which one, a couple times but that was a long time ago. i kept falling asleep the first time, kinda half awake watching tv. i'd hear the words from the show with my eyes closed while creating my own visuals to what i heard. it was pretty awesome. i also felt pretty euphoric. it was actually a lot different than a benzo, caught me very off guard because i expected something different. i had gotten a little bottle with like 10 or 12 of those suckers, they were red capsules. during that time i didn't take any drugs regularly besides smoking weed so they lasted me a bit but i was always looking forward to taking again. i'd always do the same thing on em like a ritual, after i took i'd lay down in bed n watch tv lol.. even once in a while now i still think about them

in regards to this thread.. i wasn't even aware they made fioricets with codeine in it. i always hated fioricet, made me feel super uncomfortable..

 

[Atadblown]

Try the ones with codeine it takes the effect of caffeine away dramatically... Plus my dad just gave me 3 5 mg of Valium amd I haven't ate in like 48 hours so I'm felling it. Little lamp bout to smoke. Few bowls and just relax he fully the natural way is the best wa for my headaches....

 

[OntarioGuy]

Not really contributing but wanted to point out to the guy who mentioned drugstore cowboy that the blues referred to small 10 mg oxymorphone tablets that were blue in colour hence the term blues. Brandname Numorphan.....it didn't refer to a barb

 

[TheLostBoys]

Not really contributing but wanted to point out to the guy who mentioned drugstore cowboy that the blues referred to small 10 mg oxymorphone tablets that were blue in colour hence the term blues. Brandname Numorphan.....it didn't refer to a barb

I've always thought that as well but when I googled searched the movie & the term used as blues it came up as barbs which had me confused. Didn't make sense why they were all so happy over barbs in the movie.

Being oxymorphone definitely makes sense.

 

[paranoid android]

I've always thought that as well but when I googled searched the movie & the term used as blues it came up as barbs which had me confused. Didn't make sense why they were all so happy over barbs in the movie.

Being oxymorphone definitely makes sense.

Yup the infamous Blues where oxymorphone tablets available back in the day. Now back up until the 80's you could get these red and blue caps called Tuinal which contained secobarbital (on it's own sold as Seconal aka Red's) and amobarbital. The capsules look pretty much like the 30mg temazepam capsules you get Today from what i have seen in pictures. I wish it was possible to get prescribed fun barbs these days but even phenobarbital and butalbital are being prescribed less and less as benzos serve pretty much the same purpose and are much safer.

 

[Alex000]

Try the ones with codeine it takes the effect of caffeine away dramatically... Plus my dad just gave me 3 5 mg of Valium amd I haven't ate in like 48 hours so I'm felling it. Little lamp bout to smoke. Few bowls and just relax he fully the natural way is the best wa for my headaches....

Be EXTREMELY cautious about mixing Fioricet w/ Codeine with even a little Valium. That is a mix of barbiturates, benzodiazepines, and opiates, all in one. I seriously would not take the Valium, unless you are dependent on benzo's. But, really, the barbiturate in the Fioricet is a sedative-hypnotic, it does relax the mind and body, and the codeine should do the same in another way. Really, really - I am just frightened to hear you being so casual about mixing these drugs. Be safe, and know what you are doing.

 

[paranoid android]

Be EXTREMELY cautious about mixing Fioricet w/ Codeine with even a little Valium. That is a mix of barbiturates, benzodiazepines, and opiates, all in one. I seriously would not take the Valium, unless you are dependent on benzo's. But, really, the barbiturate in the Fioricet is a sedative-hypnotic, it does relax the mind and body, and the codeine should do the same in another way. Really, really - I am just frightened to hear you being so casual about mixing these drugs. Be safe, and know what you are doing.

Good point. Plus even if he is dependent on benzos the barbiturate should prevent any withdrawals from occurring. Some doctors still use phenobarbital to taper patients off benzos after all though i think it's a shitty way of doing it. I wouldn't mix a opiate, a barb and a benzo together as that is fucking asking for it even with a tolerance. Many a drug user have been killed by accidental barbiturate overdoses especially when mixed with other drugs.