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Banning non-chemists from starting threads

Test for posting new threads on this subforum?

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 20.0%

  • No

    Votes: 12 80.0%
  • Total voters
    15
Fertile

Fertile

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We are getting a lot of static recently. I think we can all pull out our undergraduate books and devise questions not available to internet-experts and hopefully fair to everyone who asks. I do not think people just drawing random molecules and giving them stupid names (and lying about them being active) is harm reduction. Someone else could chance upon the chemical, trust the poster and wind up dead.

I, for one, would be mortified if anything I designed harmed people. But I'm just me so this is something we could do will a poll on.

People are always free to ask questions in the basic chemistry section (we do check in there) so nobody is frozen out when they need help, but Dimma and others are reallly making Bluelight look less and less reliable.

Which is sad, since I DO try my best.
 
While I’m not certain how we’d enforce this I agree with the sentiment. We need a way for this sub forum to be nothing but gold when it comes to in depth chemistry and pharmacology information.

To add, DF did this and it didn’t go well for that sub afterwards there was nearly zero activity.

-GC
 
G_Chem said:
While I’m not certain how we’d enforce this I agree with the sentiment. We need a way for this sub forum to be nothing but gold when it comes to in depth chemistry and pharmacology information.

To add, DF did this and it didn’t go well for that sub afterwards there was nearly zero activity.

-GC
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I don't know about outright banning....but people post chemical structures that are simply impossible or obviously inactive and leave completely incoherent rants about how "isotonic energy drinks" can help with synthesis of difficult chemical structures should have their comments deleted and something like maybe a 3 strikes in row rule and your out.....
 
G_Chem said:
While I’m not certain how we’d enforce this I agree with the sentiment. We need a way for this sub forum to be nothing but gold when it comes to in depth chemistry and pharmacology information.

To add, DF did this and it didn’t go well for that sub afterwards there was nearly zero activity.

-GC
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People can ask. we WANT people to learn, so already I'm in BTs boat (sorry for avatar pun)
 
I have a policy of moving fantastical posts into the Dresdens chemical fluff thread as a quarentine of sorts.

I don't think anybody with the ability to synthesize any of these compounds would be fooled into doing so by the word salads accompanying such compounds. Many compounds could probably get the chemist an award if they are even able to make them (such as things with Texas carbons and other impossibilities)
 
Yeah - some require some radical reagents. Binding a 2-nitrophenol to an amine requires 2,4-dinitro hydrazine. Count the nitrogens and count me out of THAT synthesis.

As for those long alkyls - the problem is it's a radical reaction and so the longer it gets, the more isomers you get until yield is low and heap large fractional distillation & preparative chromatography needed. Aromatic Gatterman-Koch formylation, notroalkene, nitroalkane, amination, N-ethylation OR nitropropane to ketone and use ethyl amine... then resolve isomers.... or use a chiral chiral auxiliary.

I wonder if THAT will be critiqued, cut-and-pasted or critiqued?

I keep saying it. I'm not smart, I just work hard.

BTW above post to be read in voice of jittery private soldier after first combat..... no, still not fuuny? Well, I did my best. Sorry for that.
 
Nahh.. sounds like a terrible idea

A its a public forum
B there are probably other forums where you can post unmolested by the chemically challenged
C you are free to ignore other posters
D its not really possible.. are you going to require an application to post
E you may get a great idea from someone who still likes plum pudding
 
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Well I'm gona vote NO - lets just dump them. But this never seems to happen.... who IS supposed to mod this subforum?

I just got so stressed trying to help people who seem to think they know it all. Nobody does - I sure don't. But I DO reference.
 
Mjäll said:
That's good to hear. It's sometimes hard to notice an absence.
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Well it got to the point where I was spending 6 hours refuting these people... I'm not being paid, I don't do it for ego, I do it in the hope they will learn. But we REALLY need an image<-SMILES<->IUPAC convertor, LogP, pKa and RO5 checker...

So if someone draws an inactive, it just won't be accepted.
 
Fertile said:
Well it got to the point where I was spending 6 hours refuting these people... I'm not being paid, I don't do it for ego, I do it in the hope they will learn. But we REALLY need an image<-SMILES<->IUPAC convertor, LogP, pKa and RO5 checker...

So if someone draws an inactive, it just won't be accepted.
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I don't think some of those people can learn that stuff, but it's good for other readers to have a debunk.
 
Well if the software simply will NOT post the image... it stops them. All that stuff is learnable. If I can, they can. I'm not smart - I just work hard.
 
Skorpio said:
We are literally volunteers. If our response times are unsatisfying, I highly encourage you to join the moderation team to help out.
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From my angle it seems like a question of judgment and policy, not workforce. I would likely be banning people too fast or too slow and not in agreement with rest of staff.

And i don't mean to complain overall. Just throwing my cents in this discussion. Moderators are doing a great and appreciated job.
 
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Mjäll said:
From my angle it seems like a question of judgment and policy, not workforce. I would likely be banning people to fast or too slow and not in agreement with rest of staff.

And i don't mean to complain overall. Just throwing my cents in this discussion. Moderators are doing a great and appreciated job.
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Thanks, and i just want to say sorry for getting a bit testy there, it's what i get for popping on midday.
 
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