Bali Nine Australians Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran to be executed together in Bal

well whatever you think about him, i thought that appeal made him seem tough, patriotic and a good leader. He's probably just saved these two junkies! have you nothing but complaints, or do you ever see things in this world worth applauding?
 
He's a fascist asshole who only looks after the wealthy, whilst totally fucking over the middle and working classes.
"These two junkies" - bit judgmental dont you think?
On bluelight?
Besides, abbott is held so contemptuously by world leaders, that using emergency aid money (how many hundred thousand people died in that tsunami? More than we will ever know) seems to me the pettiest form of emotional manipulation by a pathetic amateur "statesman".
Fuck Abbott, fuck patriotism and fuck governments that have capital punishment in the first place.
All forms of cowardice in my opinion.
the smartest thing tony abbott could have done in this situation is shut his mouth and drop the embarrassing putin-lite tough guy image. But he's a goddamn fool, and an asshole.
 
they were junkies, and were going to sell junk to junkies for a lot of junky money... How is that judgmental? They were caught smuggling loads of dope.... I think being referred to as Junky was the least of their concerns obviously.

second , you don't believe he had these two's best interests at heart? Do you believe he made an honest attempt at having them freed?

obviously saying NOTHING would only serve to allow the deadline to come and the two would've been shot...

How is it emotional manipulation when he is trying to save two peoples lives? If australia payed out millions (billion?) dollars to save indonesian lives, than the least they could do is pay it forward and do the obvious right thing....

You are the one being judgmental and juvenile , the guy is being "putin-like tough guy" to save two fellow drug users... People like you will never be good for the society, all you do is complain and complain even when someone has done a great service for you. You refuse to see the good, and the least you could do is NOT speak.
 
Travellers shy away from Bali

AUSTRALIAN travellers are already starting to look elsewhere for a cheap holiday as the “boycott Bali” social media campaign gains momentum.

Launched in the wake of Indonesia’s refusal to grant clemency to Bali Nine ringleaders Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran, the hashtag campaign has been trending across Twitter and Facebook for several days.

Despite an Indonesian backlash against the push — calling it “arrogant” and “racist”, online travel site cheapflights.com.au has already noted a sharp decline in enquiries about Bali holidays.

A spokeswoman for Cheapflights said the most significant decline in searches occurred on the weekend after Foreign Minister Julie Bishop told radio that Australians would “register their deep disapproval (of the executions) including by making decisions about where they wished to holiday”.

Yesterday anger continued to build on social media, with some users lashing out at Jetstar for promoting cheap flights to Bali as part of a new airfare sale.

A Jetstar spokesman pointed out the airline was also offering discount fares to Phuket and Bangkok.

“We regularly offer sales across our network,” he said.

Senior lecturer in internet studies at Curtin University, Dr Tama Leaver said it was highly likely the strong social media current against Indonesia would have a short term impact on Bali travel.

“The social media backlash certainly has the ability to be in people’s faces when they’re thinking about where they go next, particularly when you consider how many travel bookings are made online,” Dr Leaver said.

“It will depend on whether the executions happen or not, as to how long the campaign is sustained.

“But I would be surprised if there wasn’t a notable downturn.”

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http://www.news.com.au/travel/trave...y-away-from-bali/story-e6frfq80-1227224619126
 
Is a junkie a person who has ever used heroin? Or do you have to use it every day to be a junkie? What if you use it once a month are you a junkie?

The term sounds very condescending and immature to me, do you refer to people who drink everyday as alcoholics? How about daily weed smokers, are they cannabis addicts? A daily tobacco smoker a nicotine fiend? A daily coffee drinker a caffeine junkie?

I'm not sure these 2 were even addicted to heroin, I'd guess they aren't now anyway, that Myuran Sukumaran guy is apparently very straight now and everyone who comes in for his classes has to be clean too (via drug test).

I find the term junkie pretty judgemental personally. Heroin is just a substance, a drug, who cares what drugs people like or choose to use or get addicted to.
 
Amnesty International supports you having a voice in relation to the Bali Nine Executions.

Nine men are at imminent risk of execution after their clemency applications were rejected by President Joko Widodo.

They are Australians Myuran Sukumaran and Andrew Chan, Syofial alias Iyen bin Azwar (Indonesian), Harun bin Ajis (Indonesian), Sargawi alias Ali bin Sanusi (Indonesian), , Martin Anderson alias Belo (Ghanaian), Zainal Abidin (Indonesian), Raheem Agbaje Salami ‎(Nigerian) and Rodrigo Gularte (Brazilian).

Indonesia has already demonstrated its deadly intent by executing five foreign nationals and one Indonesian just after midnight on 18 January. International condemnation followed and the Brazilian and Dutch Ambassadors to Indonesia were recalled.

Death sentences in Indonesia are carried out by a firing squad of 12 gunmen. Prisoners are given a choice of whether to stand or sit and whether to have their eyes covered, by a blindfold or hood. Three rifles are loaded with live ammunition, while the other nine are loaded with blanks. Prisoners are then fired on from 5-10 metres.

The death penalty is a violent and inhumane punishment that has no place in today’s criminal justice system.

Evidence from around the world has shown that the death penalty does not work to deter crimes. State sanctioned killing only serves to endorse the use of force and to continue the cycle of violence.

140 countries have now abolished the death penalty. Indonesia has the opportunity to become the 141st country.

Please, urge the Indonesian authorities to halt plans to execute the death row prisoners and to establish a moratorium on all executions with a view to ending the death penalty for good.
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link to direct support page and contact with indonesian president, joko widodo.

...kytnism...:|
 
poledriver said:
Is a junkie a person who has ever used heroin? Or do you have to use it every day to be a junkie? What if you use it once a month are you a junkie?

The term sounds very condescending and immature to me, do you refer to people who drink everyday as alcoholics? How about daily weed smokers, are they cannabis addicts? A daily tobacco smoker a nicotine fiend? A daily coffee drinker a caffeine junkie?

I'm not sure these 2 were even addicted to heroin, I'd guess they aren't now anyway, that Myuran Sukumaran guy is apparently very straight now and everyone who comes in for his classes has to be clean too (via drug test).

I find the term junkie pretty judgemental personally. Heroin is just a substance, a drug, who cares what drugs people like or choose to use or get addicted to.
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as someone who uses heroin and isn't even hooked physically at all, ( I was an addict for about 4 years when I was younger ) I am ok with the term , and think its ridiculous for any regular user to be offended by the term "junkie", just like anyone who regularly smokes meth is a "tweaker" - in fact most users of both those drugs usually embrace the terminology regardless of whether it has a positive or negative connotation.... and these guys were not just using, but smuggling and dealing. Just deal with it , you're all too goddamn sensitive
 
motiv311 said:
...and these guys were not just using, but smuggling and dealing.
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how can you use heroin unless somebody smuggles/deals it?

you can't focus on one part of the equation, deeming it acceptable, while condemning the other parts which enable it. people should be able to buy drugs but other people shouldn't be allowed to sell them? that's just naive or stupid, isn't it?
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Just deal with it , you're all too goddamn sensitive
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maybe. and maybe you're not sensitive enough...

the lack of compassion on display here, especially from a community like this, is saddening.

alasdair
 
god you just don't get it, I'm using junkie as a term of endearment. Which wasn't really even my focus , I was making an argument in support of Abbott's pressure on Bali, and everybody is like "Woah! hold up! you can't call the guys who smuggle heroin for a living "junkies!"" Well yes I can. When people are caught smuggling heroin, you can refer to them as junkies for effect; and when did everyone become so Politically Correct anyway? ....... Haven't any of you heard of William boroughs .... He wrote a book about himself called "junkie"
 
harmacologist said:
As a miner, you hate to see your fellow miners die in a cave in, but you understand and appreciate why you get danger pay.

It isn't about justifying murder, it is the risk of murder justifying your profit margin.
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I see the argument you're making, but it doesn't make sense to me. Heroin is significantly cheaper in Indonesia, which has the death penalty for drug offences, than in Australia, which doesn't. The US also has harsher drug prohibition than Australia, and heroin is cheaper there again.

I agree that it's a factor, but I'm just not convinced that illegality is anywhere near the driving force behind the cost of drugs.
 
One Thousand Words said:
Except tolerance means very few addicts can stick to a maintenance dose. Plus poly drug use is a far more likely reason for overdose than a hot shot and junkies gonna alcoholic
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Data out of Switzerland's diamorphine maintenance program suggests that this isn't accurate at all. I'm unsure about other countries that use heroin as a maintenance drug, though.

I'm seeing a bit of a conflict between your arguments (on this thread and the AusDD one) that these men were adults and hence made their own decision, and that an individual's 'good parenting' will prevent their children engaging in similar acts. Either 19 year olds are fully autonomous individuals making their own choices, or they're programmed by parental influence. They can't be both.
 
Have you seen the data out of Kabul? Unlimited almost free heroin that hasn't been stomped on hardly stops the thousands of addicts living a pitiful and destructive existence.

Good parenting from birth leads to intelligent choices as an adult. And 19 is an adult in anyone's definition.
 
One Thousand Words said:
Have you seen the data out of Kabul? Unlimited almost free heroin that hasn't been stomped on hardly stops the thousands of addicts living a pitiful and destructive existence.

Good parenting from birth leads to intelligent choices as an adult. And 19 is an adult in anyone's definition.
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they live in a third world country war zone. I think heroin improves their shitty lives greatly.
 
Bali Nine: Authorities want more information from Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran’s lawyers about conduct of their sentencing judges

INDONESIAN authorities have sought more information from lawyers of the condemned Bali Nine duo about the conduct of their sentencing judges.

In an encouraging development, the Indonesian Judicial Commission — investigating claims political interference from Jakarta during Myuran Sukumaran and Andrew Chan’s 2005 sentence — called for further technical material about the complaint lodged last week.

One of their Australian legal team, Melbourne barrister Michael O’Connell SC, visited the pair in Kerobokan prison to brief them on the latest developments and about their upcoming court case next week.

Mr O’Connell said both men were doing “remarkably well” in very trying circumstances.

He said that a complaint with the country’s Judicial Commission was lodged on Friday afternoon last week and that since then the commission had sought further technical detail from the lawyers.

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http://www.news.com.au/national/bal...entencing-judges/story-fncynjr2-1227226037827
 
It does resemble a lot of raves I've attended and they were fun I guess

NSFW:
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Joke Widodo unlikely to back down on execution of Bali Nine duo, to avoid being accused of weakness or corruption.

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TONY Abbott is now in a difficult if not dangerous stage of diplomatic intervention on behalf of Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran. He cannot say too little but nor can he say too much.

Reaction to Julie Bishop’s statement that Australians could choose to boycott Bali has gone down badly in Indonesia, the general reaction being: good riddance, go holiday elsewhere.

Nor has Abbott’s request that President Joko Widodo remember the $1bn that Australia gave to Indonesia to help with the 2004 Boxing Day tsunami, and to remember the lives of nine Australians who died in a helicopter crash as they were helping in the tsunami aftermath, gone down well.

The Indonesian Foreign Ministry spokesman hit back, saying that “no one responds well to threats”.

Abbott’s statements on the tsunami aid were a long way short of threats; they were a plea to remind Indonesia that Australia had been a friend in a time of need. And now we were in a time of need.

They also showed that Australia had pretty much run out of approaches on how to save Chan and Sukumaran.

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http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...ss-or-corruption/story-fni0xs63-1227225969978
 
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