Bali Nine Australians Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran to be executed together in Bal

Bali Nine death penalty judges allegedly asked for bribes: lawyer

LAWYERS for the two Bali Nine on death row have alleged, in sensational new claims, that the six judges who gave them the death penalty offered a lighter sentence in exchange for a bribe.

But apparently the lawyers had no money with which to bargain.

The allegation is contained in a letter which lawyers for Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran have sent to Indonesia’s Judicial Commission, calling for an investigation.

The claim comes from the men’s original trial lawyer, who represented them when they got the death penalty in the Denpasar District Court, who has offered up the evidence regardless of whether it discredits him.

It follows a surprise visit by the lawyer, Muhammad Rifan, to Chan and Sukumaran in jail last weekend, where he told the two men he was prepared to help them in their fight to beat the firing squad.

“Muhammad Rifan said that the judges were pressured from certain parties to give the death sentence, and the judges had also conveyed to Muhammad Rifan that they were willing to give a lighter sentence than death sentence to his client if they were given some money,” the letter from the men’s lawyers says.

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gh0stmAn said:
dude you are a soul-less person. my god what the hell is wrong with you?? NO ONE SHOULD DIE FOR HAVING A FREAKING SUBSTANCE ON THEIR PERSON. What is wrong with you man? your a satanic person.. i can't believe your even on this forum babbling nonsense like you are.
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These people are being executed for their part in a criminal conspiracy, where they knowingly risked death and imprisonment in order to make money.

What is wrong with me, that I don't give a shit if a few blokes get killed, given that they are NOT INNOCENT of the crimes they committed of their own free will?

I don't protest people getting speeding tickets for breaking the law, even though I think the law is a greedy tax on people that value their time and are able to drive modern cars at high speeds. Because when you put the petal to the metal, you understand that you may get caught.

I would prefer drugs to be legal and the profit margins on them to be reduced according to the risk/reward ration changing.
 
he was a kid. 15-years-old. com'on, let them both go now. b4 Aussie get a PM who will fuck the cunts up holding 'em prisoners' for that long

(I'm not responding to Harm with my post). cbf.agreedwithmost
 
Tanya Plibersek: It would have been better for police to catch Bali Nine in Australia

TANYA Plibersek says Bali Nine convicted drug smugglers Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran should have been picked up by police in Australia.

Asked this morning if the Australian Federal Police should wear some of the blame for tipping off Indonesian police about the smuggling operation rather than arresting Chan and Sukumaran when they returned to Australia, Labor’s foreign affairs spokeswoman said it was “unquestionable” that it would have resulted in a better outcome.
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“I think it’s unquestionable that it would have been better to pick these young people up when they returned to Australia,” Ms Plibersek said.

“I would have been quite happy for them to do long jail terms in Australia — they’ve done something very seriously wrong. It was a large quantity of drugs and they should have received serious sentences.
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“But it would have been preferable for them to be caught in Australia, dealt with in our Australian judicial system, served time in an Australian jail and hopefully been rehabilitated here as they have in Indonesia.”

Chan and Sukumaran were sentenced 10 years ago for drug trafficking and given the death penalty. They have been held in a Bali jail and are said to have turned their lives around and rehabilitated successfully.

It was announced yesterday that Chan and Sukumaran would be moved this week to the island where they will be executed.

Bali’s chief prosecutor Momock Bambang Samiarso says the two Australians would be taken to Nusa Kambangan prison, off Cilacap in Central Java in the coming days but a firm date has yet to be set.

It is on the island, in one of the six prisons, the pair will live out their final days until executions.

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Bali Nine: Indonesia has death penalty double standard, says brother of spared maid

‘Indonesia is begging for its citizens to escape the death penalty, meanwhile Indonesia’s firing squad executes inmates, it’s not fair,’ says brother of domestic worker saved from death penalty in Saudi Arabia
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Satinah Binti Jumadi Ahmad is on death row for killing her employer in Saudi Arabia. Photograph: AFP/Getty Images
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The family of an Indonesian domestic worker on death row in Saudi Arabia has criticised the perceived hypocrisy of the Indonesian government, which has paid “blood money” to save her but which refuses to countenance stopping the execution of two Australians in Bali.

In the case of Satinah Binti Jumadi Ahmad, 41 – an Indonesian domestic worker sentenced to death by beheading for robbing and murdering her employer’s wife – the Indonesian government has been lobbying hard for her life to be spared.

Last year the government, together with contributions from business, paid 7m riyal (US$1.9m) in legally recognised “blood money” requested by the victim’s family. According to sharia law in the kingdom, the family of a victim can accept this instead of an execution.

The Indonesian government also lodged a formal appeal to Saudi Arabia’s late King Abdullah to pardon Ahmad.

Paeri al-Feri, 44, said he was grateful the government was working so hard to save his sister, but considered the government’s actions a double standard.

“On the one hand, Indonesia is begging for its citizens to escape the death penalty, meanwhile Indonesia’s firing squad executes inmates, it’s not fair,” said al-Feri. “How can you plead for a lighter sentence or even freedom from other countries if the death penalty still exists in Indonesia?”

As Indonesia prepares to execute drug traffickers Andrew Chan, 31, and Myuran Sukumaran, 33, Indonesia’s foreign minister, Retno Marsudi, has vowed to fight for 229 Indonesian nationals on death row abroad.

The ministry has pledged that Indonesian nationals facing capital punishment overseas will be provided with full legal and consular assistance.

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Al-Feri, who runs a recycling service in Semarang, Central Java, said: “Other countries might think: ‘Look at Indonesia still executing people while they ask for freedom for their own citizens.’ ”

“I think there should be a better solution.”

The Indonesian foreign ministry has defended its position, describing the use of capital punishment as within the bounds of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

“The way we see [it] is that the issue of capital punishment is still part of our law and this is still in line with the context of international law … where capital punishment can be used in the more serious of crimes,” a foreign ministry spokesperson, Armantha Nasir, told Guardian Australia.

Consecutive legal attempts to have the death penalty for Chan and Sukumaran – who were charged for their part in a plot to smuggle 8.3kg of heroin from Bali to Australia – commuted to life have failed.

In an apparent effort to appear tough on what he has described as a “drug emergency”, the Indonesian president, Joko Widodo, has ignored calls from the United Nations secretary general, Ban Ki-moon, the Australian government and human rights activists to cancel the executions.

Widodo has repeatedly stated there will be no clemency granted to drug offenders.

In an 11th-hour plea, the Australian prime minister, Tony Abbott, refused to rule out withdrawing the Indonesian ambassador to express Australia’s anger over the planned executions.

After a decade in Bali’s Kerobokan prison, official preparations are underway to transfer the two Australians to Nusakambangan island where they will be executed by firing squad alongside other criminals, including foreigners.

The date of the executions is yet to be determined but the attorney general’s office has asked they be conducted “as soon as possible”.

Under Indonesian law, Chan and Sukumaran will be given 72 hours’ notice before they are killed.

Al-Feri only recently learned of the death penalty facing the two Australians, but empathised immediately with their families.

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poledriver said:
Tanya Plibersek: It would have been better for police to catch Bali Nine in Australia





“But it would have been preferable for them to be caught in Australia, dealt with in our Australian judicial system, served time in an Australian jail and hopefully been rehabilitated here as they have in Indonesia.”

Chan and Sukumaran were sentenced 10 years ago for drug trafficking and given the death penalty. They have been held in a Bali jail and are said to have turned their lives around and rehabilitated successfully.

It was announced yesterday that Chan and Sukumaran would be moved this week to the island where they will be executed.

Bali’s chief prosecutor Momock Bambang Samiarso says the two Australians would be taken to Nusa Kambangan prison, off Cilacap in Central Java in the coming days but a firm date has yet to be set.

It is on the island, in one of the six prisons, the pair will live out their final days until executions.

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Why?

Financially the citizens of Australia are spared the burden of jailing these criminals. Millions of dollars were saved.
 
Six living former prime ministers make united final plea for doomed Bali Nine duo

PLANS to move Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran to Nusa Kambangan island to await their execution may be delayed.

Sources have told News Corp Australia that the Indonesian Attorney General last night instructed Bali officials to delay the move which was planned for this week and could have gone ahead as early as tonight.

The reason for the delay is not known, nor is it known when the move might happen, and plans for the high-security operation involving the police and military continued yesterday in Bali.

Authorities are understood to be waiting for further instructions.

But it may relate to a fierce battle ongoing in Jakarta between the national police and the anti-corruption body over the appointment of a new police chief who has been investigated for corruption.

The police chief candidate yesterday won a court battle to stop the corruption commission’s investigation and the decision, ruling that his declaration as a graft suspect was unwarranted under the law, brought protests.

This morning, grief was etched onto the faces of the families and close-knit group of friends of Chan and Sukumaran as they made the now daily ritual into Kerobokan jail to visit the men during what could be their last days.

The strain of the past few weeks, since the Indonesian Government instructed for the two Australians to be put before a firing squad, regardless of ongoing court appeals, has taken its toll on the two families.

And inside the jail, the fellow prisoners of Chan and Sukumaran, are tense and nervous, unsure of when and if they will even get to say goodbye to the two men who have enriched their lives and made Kerobokan prison a better place for them all.

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harmacologist said:
Why?

Financially the citizens of Australia are spared the burden of jailing these criminals. Millions of dollars were saved.
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no because they would of got 10 years tops in Aussie prison, with the best lawyer. out in five years with good behavior :)then on parole
Eh still, maybe they did save about ~1million+
 
Indonesian Twitter users lead backlash against hashtag #BoycottBali

INDONESIANS are lashing out against the hashtag #BoycottBali, telling Australians who say they will cancel their holidays to Bali to “go somewhere else” instead.

The backlash comes after the social media campaign — which advocates for Australians to show their support for condemned Bali Nine duo Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran, and forgo their holidays to Indonesia — continues to gain traction as Twitter users pledge to cancel holidays to the popular tourism spot.

However, some Indonesian nationals have been deeply unimpressed with the campaign, questioning why anyone would “ignore ... this drop-dead gorgeous island ... from your holiday list”.

Others have taken to calling out Aussie tourists, who are notorious for their wild partying ways when visiting Bali, in addition to shaming Australians for supporting “drug dealers that have been killing so many ... people”.

The movement — also a change.org petition — has been encouraged by the Australian Government, with Foreign Minister Julie Bishop telling 3AW radio on Friday that: “I think the Australian people will demonstrate their deep disapproval of this action, including by making decisions about where they wish to holiday”.

But Indonesian officials have called on Australians to resist the boycott, with Bali’s Governor Made Pastika asking Aussies and the Australian Government to respect Indonesian law.

Mr Pastika, a former police officer and former head of the country’s National Narcotics Agency, reiterated controversial statistics quoted by the Indonesian President as rationale for the stepping up of drug trafficker executions.

“Drugs is very dangerous for us, for the Government. You know in Indonesia there is about 50 person died every day because of drugs, 50 people,” said Mr Pastika.

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Bali Nine execution: Death island boss says team ready for Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran transfer

THE ISLAND where the Bali Nine drug traffickers are due to die is ready to carry out the executions, despite contradictory claims by the government.

Just hours after a spokesperson for Indonesia’s Attorney General said the facility at Nusakambangan could only cater for five simultaneous executions — six less than required — and did not have enough room for the death-row prisoners, a senior prison official in Java declared the facility ready to house and kill the condemned.

Mirza Asminan Zulkarnain, the head office of the Ministry area of Law and Human Rights in central Java, who has ultimate oversight of Nusakambangan prison, said they were prepared for the prisoners, including Myuran Sukumaran and Andrew Chan.

He also dismissed claims that additional isolation cells needed to be built for them, ahead of their killings.

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Mr Zulkarnain, who spoke as he stepped off a ferry from Nusakambangan, said they could create the cells at a moment’s notice, once the prosecutors tell them exactly how many were coming.

“There is no question of the room and other technical constraints, we are ready at any time to carry out the execution. All depends on the prosecution.”

Mr Zulkarnain indicated they had carried out the five executions successfully last month on the island, and if the numbers were greater this time, they could conduct the killings with “no problem”.

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Blunt Instrument: The racism of not caring

There's a reason 'we' don't care about the Bali Two about to be put to death by the Indonesian state. They're not white, so they're not us.

We can hide behind the fact that they're a couple of drug mules, sure. Possibly even minor principals. The load of heroin they planned to bring in might well have killed a couple of other people. If not, it wouldn't have done them any good.

But that's not why 'we' remain unperturbed by these looming executions. 'We' don't care because they don't look like us. And their names are not O'Reilly or Smith. The Indonesians are going to shoot a Chan and a…

Pop quiz. Without looking, can you even spell the other guy's name?

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It's Myuran Sukumaran.

What the hell even is that?

A drug dealer's name, that's what. The name of a cypher. A bunch of letters, all jumbled and smashed together waiting for a bullet to carry them away.

And that bullet's coming, partly because 'we' just don't care.

I use the air quotes because some do. But as a whole, as a clan, we do not.

Some pinhead at Triple J got in trouble for exposing this unpalatable truth with a poorly framed poll, but it's hardly the pinhead's fault. The poll just highlighted what seems obvious. Most people don't care. The AFP should be turning on the spit roast for the ignoble role they played in putting these Australians in front of a firing squad. But they're not and we don't care.

Oddly enough, the political class do. Across the aisles of the national Parliament there seems a genuine concern. Even revulsion. Politicians understand the dread power of the state and even the most conservative pause before the prospect of ceding to Hobbes' leviathan the ultimate sanction of exterminating a human being by rule of law.

Not us though, mate. Not we of the Saturday lawn mowing and Bunnings sausage sizzle. Not we of the footy tipping comp and the office morning tea. We of the afternoon school run and long weekend up the coast, we just don't care. We of the sav blanc and the well packed cone, the quick ping and the festival eccies, we really don't care.

Maybe if they were blonde and not so apparently alien.

But they're not like us. They're different. They're not our tribe.

So yeah, kill 'em we say. See if we care.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/com...the-racism-of-not-caring-20150217-13ghw0.html
 
Tony Abbott to Indonesia: Let’s not forget about the $1b tsunami aid

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TONY Abbott has made his strongest stance yet against the executions of Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran, urging Indonesia to remember all of the assistance Australia gave to the country after the Boxing Day Tsunami.

The Prime Minister this morning said Australia would feel “grievously let down” if Indonesia proceeded with sending the two Bali Nine ringleaders to face the firing squad.

“Let’s not forget that a few years ago when Indonesia was struck by the Indian Ocean tsunami Australia sent $1 billion worth of assistance, we sent a contingent of our armed forces to help in Indonesia with humanitarian relief,” Mr Abbott said.

“Australians lost their lives in that campaign to help Indonesia.

“I would say to the Indonesian people and the Indonesian government that we in Australia are always there to help you and we hope that you might reciprocate in this way at this time. “

Mr Abbott also flagged that future relations with Indonesia would be fractured if the executions went ahead.

“I don’t want to prejudice the best possible relations with a very important friend and neighbour,” the Prime Minister said.

“But I’ve got to say that we cant just ignore this type of thing, if the perfectly reasonable representations that we are making to Indonesia are ignored by them.

“We are doing no more for our citizens than Indonesia routinely does for its own citizens.

And if it is right and proper for Indonesia to make these representations, if it is right and proper for other countries to heed Indonesia’s representations, it is right and proper for us to make the representations and for them to be heeded.”

The Prime Minister described Chan and Sukumaran as “thoroughly reformed characters” and said it would be an error for Indonesia to execute them when they were helping so many other drug offenders rehabilitate.

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The first decent words that have came out of Tony Abbott's mouth. Hopefully this makes change. a bit late though

good luck Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran - you both don't deserve to be murdered
 
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INDONESIA’S Foreign Ministry has reportedly rebuffed Prime Minister Tony Abbott’s statement that the nation should remember Australia’s Boxing Day tsunami aid in its deliberations over the fate of Bali Nine duo Andrew Chan and Myuran Sukumaran.
Foreign Ministry spokeman Arrmanatha Nasir told reporters in Jakarta he hadn’t studied Mr Abbott’s comments on the tsunami aid but he understood he had made a linkage to “the issue now in Indonesia”.
“There’s a saying in Indonesia, ‘orang akan terlihat warna sebenarnya,’ (people will show their true colours),” he said.
“So I hope this does not reflect, the statements made, the true colours of Australians.”
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Imo both countries are playing domestic politics that has relations consequences between the two countries. A real smart operator would not raise the Tsunami at all in such a conversation, bad move by Abbott, I don't think it wins points here or in Indonesia. Thankfully the Abbott government is taking the issue seriously but he is failing at that which is no surprise.

The problem with his line is that he is backing Indonesia into a position where it almost can't back down or it will be seen to be wilting to Australian pressure which would be hugely damaging domestically for the Indo president.
 
^ yeah, its a pretty fucking offensive statement from abbott.
Its the best he can do, because pretty much every indonesian government has had a history of thinking Australian governments are cunts. Which is clearly true of both sides of this ghastly situation, but the way the australian navy has been literally dumping refugees (from all over the world) on random parts of indonesia's coast (uh, as far as the peopld of australia are informed....its a secret operation, apparently). Cunts. On both sides.
But its got a lot more to do with international politics than most of the media commentary seems to focus upon.
 
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good for abbott, i don't think you aussie's appreciate your leader enough! In this world its refreshing to see someone take a clear hard line on something like this.... Don't you get it, he's not forcing anyone into a nasty situation, he is IN a nasty situation and publicly is calling them out.... In asia its about honor ... and it would be dishonorable for them to execute australian nationals when Australia clearly helped them so much, and is now appealing to them in public based on that reasoning. This guy would basically look like an asshole worldwide if he still executes them. He would look like a prideful asshole.
 
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