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bad effects of marijuana?

lovespell

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ok, well i posted this before, but i guess the topic was closed because of a troll, but i'm really interested in hearing what everyone has to say about this.....i asked whether or not marijuana has any long term bad effects...a couple of people responded by saying "all drugs are harmfuL in some way" but then they never specifically stated how marijuana is harmful....
 
"Smoking marijuana regularly (a joint a day) can damage the cells in the bronchial passages which protect the body against inhaled microorganisms and decrease the ability of the immune cells in the lungs to fight off fungi, bacteria, and tumor cells.
Simply an elaboration about what marijuana does to your respiratory system - YES - I know that cigarettes will also cause damage such as the above, but you pot heads gotta stop saying that it's a safe drug with no negetive effects..."
"Studies further suggest that marijuana is a general "immunosuppressant" whose degenerative influence extends beyond the respiratory system. Regular smoking has been shown to materially affect the overall ability of the smoker’s body to defend itself against infection by weakening various natural immune mechanisms, including macrophages (a.k.a. "killer cells") and the all-important T-cells."
Again, smoking pot DOES cause hard to the body...
But lets be fair here - smoking pot isn't going to kill you right away, and while it *IS* addictive, it's not that hard to control..
But if you want to talk about the PHYSICAL DAMAGE done to the user from the consumption of various drugs - HEROIN is among the safest and MARIJUANA is among the most damaging..
So smoke yer pot - YOU'RE NOT GOING TO DIE, but you can NOT say that it is a "harmless drug" ...
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If your refering to smoking pot on a very regular basis, well, then the answer is definatly yes. Pots classic side effects is depression, and not-so-good short-term memory.
The depression CAN last up to 6 or more months after someone quits smoking pot, and as for the short-term memory loss...that can last for a long time.
Alot of people refuse to believe that pot has any ill effects, when people say this I just simply tell them to take a look at the people who are smoking weed constantly. Here is a little list of things that I've noticed almost all heads I know have in common:
A. NO MOTIVATION WHATSOEVER!!
B. When they start a sentance they go "uhh" before speaking, and they pause inbetween words, usually throwing in an "umm" or "uhh" before figuring out what words to use.
C. Highschool dropouts. If they're in school they get poor grades. <-back to the no motivation thing.
D. Crappy jobs, not educated.
E. Live in trailors.
F. Poor short-term memory.
G. They're always talking about weed..to them weed is the answer to everything.
(by the way, most of these are problems pot causes on their lives, and alot of heads don't even see these things as problems...I guess that could almost be seen as a good thing..damn)
Those are only a FEW of the things that I could list about the heads. I'm not saying that all potheads are the same...I'm just saying they all have alot in common. Remember that little list of things and compare it to the potheads you know, or maybe even yourself, and you should be able to check a few of these off.
I'm sorry for critizing/making generalizations to you ummm marijuana enthusiest(sp) out there, but alot of this is easily seen if you would just open your eyes and look at these for these things.
[This message has been edited by ecstacii (edited 27 May 2001).]
 
Hmm, Marajuana induced depression, Umm, Do you have any Umm, Links that would show this to be true and Umm, Where did you get this if a user quits their depressed for 6 months.. Maybe for *some* users this may be the case but Umm, I Umm, Smell some bullshit.
Pintsize.
 
Your right, I should have worded that differently. I should have emphasized the word "IF".
IF(doesn't happen to everyone) someone who stops smoking does become depressed(which has happened to me, and often happens to others) it can last up to 6 months.
I'll update this message when I find the studies that I got this from.
 
I don't believe the questin was how does marijuana's dangers compare to heron's dangers.
Re"hash" the past...
Anyway, you're wrong about one thing
According to a review by Dr. Leo Hollister:1 “The evidence [on immune suppression] has been contradictory and is more supportive of some degree of immunosuppression only when one considers in vitro studies. These have been seriously flawed by the very high concentrations of drug used to produce immunosuppression.
And more
Cannabinoids do not actually damage the T-cells, which are depleted in HIV patients: one study even found that marijuana exposure increased T-cell counts in subjects (not AIDS patients) whose T-cell counts had been low.
--Dr. Leo Hollister, “Marijuana and Immunity,” Journal of Psychoactive Drugs 20(1): 3-8
Damages from SMOKING marijuana
A recent survey by the Kaiser Permanente Center found that daily marijuana-only smokers have a 19% higher rate of respiratory complaints than non-smokers...Studies have found apparently pre-cancerous cell changes in pot smokers...“Although more information is certainly needed, sufficient data have already been accumulated concerning the health effects of marijuana to warrant counseling by physicians against the smoking of marijuana as an important hazard to health.”...Fortunately, the hazards of marijuana smoking can be reduced by various strategies: (1) use of higher-potency cannabis, which can be smoked in smaller quantities, (2) use of waterpipes and other smoke reduction technologies,6 and (3) ingesting pot orally instead of smoking it.
Yeah, smoking marijuana is not harmless, as any half-wit can tell you; however, prove to me that injecting street-grade heroin is harmless, and we'll talk. And prove to me that injecting "pure" heroin is any more damaging than INGESTING (not via smoking) THC, and we'll talk. (You should start a new thread on this...)
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Some critics exaggerate the dangers of marijuana smoking by fallaciously citing a study by Dr. Tashkin which found that daily pot smokers experienced a “mild but significant” increase in airflow resistance in the large airways greater than that seen in persons smoking 16 cigarettes per day.1 What they ignore is that the same study examined other, more important aspects of lung health, in which marijuana smokers did much better than tobacco smokers. Dr. Tashkin himself disavows the notion that one joint equals 16 cigarettes.
A more widely accepted estimate is that marijuana smokers consume four times as much carcinogenic tar as cigarettes smokers per weight smoked.2 This does not necessarily mean that one joint equals four cigarettes, since joints usually weigh less. In fact, the average joint has been estimated to contain 0.4 grams of pot, a bit less than one-half the weight of a cigarette, making one joint equal to two cigarettes (actually, joint sizes range from cigar-sized spliffs smoked by Rastas, to very fine sinsemilla joints weighing as little as 0.2 grams). It should be noted that there is no exact equivalency between tobacco and marijuana smoking, because they affect different parts of the respiratory tract differently: whereas tobacco tends to penetrate to the smaller, peripheral passageways of the lungs, pot tends to concentrate on the larger, central passageways.3 One consequence of this is that pot, unlike tobacco, does not appear to cause emphysema.
All this and more at http://www.norml.org/facts/myths.shtml
 
It is not said that HEROIN is the safest drug. Yes it doesn't do damage similar to smoking , but it takes it toll. Just like smoking , the consequences take its time.
 
Just one more thing to add. But first I am NOT typing this to continue an arguement , but I just want to add this point before I forget . Blood poisening can occur with heroin use IV. It is not the heroin itself , but as a result of the process of getting it into your body. Lung damage from smoking. The THC or nicotine is not damaging your lungs ,its the smoking process itself. The drugs that we want out of it aren''t hurting us , its the process. same dangers , just in different forms.
 
ecstacii-you a funny guy.
I started smoking pot 14 years ago (college freshman). Graduated college 10 years ago.
Uhhhm, don't start sentences with uhh.
I own my house, have a new car.
I have a great job at a major high tech company (uhhh...I know MANY people that work there who smoke pot). It's very competitive there, yet I keep getting promoted (because I am motivated and work hard).
My memory had been great until I started abusing MDMA, getting much better as I cut back on using that substance.
Oh yeah, I smoke everyday without fail, maybe miss about 20 days a year.
[This message has been edited by cascadia (edited 28 May 2001).]
 
This could get really ugly....
Lets simplify it -
1) Marijuana doesn't do that much damage to the user, ues, smoking IS BAD and WILL cause some damage to you - but overall, it is one of the SAFER drugs..
2) Heroin has *NO* negetive physical effects on the user - HOWEVER, if you factor in the addictive qualities then you may show more problems comming from the IMPROPER USE of the drug..
I know pot heads that have TOTALLY LOST CONTROL.. it's wake up, fire up a joint or hit the bong, go do what they do, smoke more, come home, smoke more, do how stuff and smoke more ... THEY ARE ADDICITED... but I know heroin users who IV heroin - they use it as a tool, they have total control....
So lets end this - both drugs have RISKS asscoiated with their use...
For the neophite drug user, I would definitly recomend you start with marijuana then work your way up....
I am only closing this because it's an endless arguement and no one is going to change anyones minds...
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