Mental Health Bad Anxiety Ever Since "Roll" Will It Ever End??

DontCutMDMA

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Hey everyone,

This is my first post on BlueLight. I mainly came here to seek any support and advice I can get.

In the middle of August, this year, I bought a molly pill for an excision concert that I went to. The girl who I bought it from was always a reliable dealer and supplied good shit. I even went to raves with her. This is why I am unsure whether the pill was actually bad or not, but anyways, I haven't even brought that up yet. She gave me 3 pills for me and my friends. One was just a regular molly pill and the other two were supposedly moon rocks. The moon rocks were for my friend. One of the "moon rock pills" was a white powder, though, and the other was a light amber color (maybe yellowish orange? idk). Anyways, the supposed regular old molly pill was a similar color to the light amber colored molly pill. BTW I know for fact that I did not hear wrong, however, it is slightly possible that my dealer was wrong, but I remember asking her about it the white "moon rock pill" and she said "oh it's a new pill from a new source. Seems sketchy to me looking back on it. But anyways, I took the white powdered "moon rock pill" because I was sure I could convince my friend that the other two were his moon rocks, since they were both the amberish color.

I took the pill when we got out of the car at the show. We went inside the lobby and were chilling for a while to wait for a homie. When the pill was starting to hit me, I started to get severe anxiety. It was pretty fucking horrible. My hands were super clammy and sweaty, I was extremely uncomfortable and needed water badly. I got water and drank a lot. I had to go into the bathroom and sit on the toilet in the stall and rest my head down on my knees and just try to calm the fuck down and collect myself. Anyways, it got better after like a half an hour (approximately, really not sure) and I was able to join my friends in front of the stage. The rest of my night was pretty fuckin enjoyable, though. Excision was insane and the base felt amazing. I remember seeing the visuals and being so absorbed in them. I was fucked up. Its strange because I wouldn't usually describe rolling as being "fucked up." I would rather refer to it as being "on." Like, my speech was kinda slow and I felt really almost the opposite of anxiety after that, almost benzo'd out.

That night, I came home and was feeling a little bit of anxiety like usual with a MDMA comedown, so I smoked a bowl. In the past, marijuana has always been my go to for chilling out and a sure good time. I used to smoke weed multiple times a day and it would always calm me down. Anyways, after I smoked I started to feel weird. My head started to feel kinda light and slightly dizzy, and I felt anxious. My heart started beating somewhat quickly. It was a little uncomfortable for like 30 minutes but then I fell asleep.

The next day was fine. I don't think I smoked but I don't exactly recall. I think that I was scared smoking would bring back the anxious feeling.

The day after that, I had what seemed to be a panic attack. I had never had one before that day so I really didn't have anything to judge this sudden feeling from, but afterwards I gathered my thoughts and figured it was a panic attack.

I laid down in bed after dinner and suddenly I felt a surge of anxiety. My heart began beating very hard and fast. I felt like I was about to have a heart attack or that something else was severely wrong possibly. I was scared. It lasted for a long time, I can't remember exactly but over an hour I think I was just writhing in anxiety in my bed, trying hard to fall asleep. Eventually it stopped and I was able to sleep.

Since then, I have had problems with anxiety. I feel like I have always had a bit of situational anxiety and some social anxiety, but never this general anxiety that makes me feel like shit every day. And now, my trusty loyal escape, marijuana, almost always gives me anxiety. I still enjoy getting high, but there is a bit of elevated anxiety for the first 30 minutes I'd say. Sometimes I don't get it though, its weird. More often I do get it though.

Its rough, at one point I was very depressed. I was apathetic and pondered suicide. I thought to myself that suicide would be an escape from the anxiety. I started taking 100mg of 5-HTP every morning, and it seemed to help a bit. Not sure whether it was placebo or real effects but whatever. But still, I suffer from pretty uncomfortable anxiety a lot. And some situations can be sort of overwhelming to me.

I also started to get weird neck twitches the beginning of this year... I don't feel comfortable talking to anyone close to me about it yet. I try my best to hide it and to keep my neck in place. My neck gets really sore and stiff. Right below my skull. There is persistent inflammation on the right side of my neck. Its really annoying and strange and I feel self conscious about it. I am not sure whether this has to do with drug use or not but I feel like it started when I was taking acid. I probably have only taken acid less than 7 times though. I don't know if lsd use can lead to any sort of twitching but for some reason I feel like I heard of it, idk if I'm making it up.

I'm sort of a hypochondriac one could say. I've thought I had diabetes before, other ailments. I sometimes feel like this might be all in my head and I'm just creating some sort of cycle. I smoke weed usually every day recently. I did take a month break from weed just to see if it would make the anxiety go away. It did not. I almost felt as though it got worse. I remember some days almost not being able to handle being in my cubicle at work on those sober days because sometimes my anxiety would get so bad.

I really just want to be able to fucking relax and untense my muscles and just be fucking chill. I look at everyone else and it seems like its so easy to just live. For me, it is sort of a struggle. I'm uncomfortable most of the time.

Anyone have any theories on what the fuck happened and what the fuck is wrong with me?

I'm going crazy.. ugh
 
First of all, a fellow anxiety sufferer I'm sorry to hear you feel like that. Anxiety can be a horrible thing to live with and has literally driven me to the verge of insanity at times.

However, After such a long time from taking the substance I'm going to say that I'd be surprised if this was a lasting physiological result of consumption.

To me, it sounds more like a psychological manifestation of the situation. i.e. it's all in your head. By that, I don't mean that you're dreaming up the symptoms that are there such as not being able to relax etc... but the cause seems psychological, not physiological. Sometimes when we encounter an anxious scenario we're then heavily affected in a psychological manner and struggle to shake it, with obsessive and compulsive thoughts constantly running through your mind.

It's entirely possible that the problems with your neck are unrelated.

I know you're not going to want to hear this advice, as I wouldn't either, but just try and chill out a little.

Have you thought about medical intervention, seeing a doctor?
 
Hey rybee, I appreciate you taking the time to reply. I do understand that it is very possibly all in my head.. however I am just not sure how to shake this. I had tried taking shrooms twice to see if maybe it would have any effect as some people say shrooms can heal PTSD.

I did go to a doctor twice. The first time she prescribed Prozac. I was very unsure about it. I took it for a few days after much consideration, and it made me unable to sleep. For this reason I decided it was not good for my body and I stopped.

My doctor also gave me a reccomendation for a therapist, however I have yet to visit the therapist. Maybe this would be a good idea? I don't know if it will fix all my problems but I am willing to try.
 
^Therapy is a very good idea. With the help of a therapist, you can often get to the root of the problem and figure out some different ways to cope with your anxiety. Also, I wouldn't completely write off medications yet. Prozac and other SSRIs that might help with anxiety often do have side effects at first, but these effects won't necessarily always be around. It usually takes some time to really see how the meds will work for you.
 
I'd try doing it naturally at this point . Trying to fix a feeling that was caused by a chemical , with another chemical doesn't seem to work out . For the rest of the month , try an intense life style change . Wake up early and go to bed early , cut out ALL substances caffeine included . Start a serious exercise routine . Multivitamin , fish oil and magnesium supplements . Drink green tea ( i recommend biggelow) it's great for you :) . A gallon of water a day , no less . Find ways to to use your creativity and stay in the moment . Write some poems , draw , try a yoga session from a video on youtube , meditate . Add some cardio and light jogging . Give up sugary processed garbage and eat fruits and vegetables . I think you just need to give your poor brain some TLC , you've been abusing the shit out of it and thats why it sucks right now
 
dude hope this goes away. I had the same problem when I took a molly. bad anxiety. Dp and dr. I also had headahces, like a tingling sensation in my head and head pressure. It's been almost two months since the molly powder night. most of the symptoms are gone besides the head pressure.
 
The hell are moon rocks ? You had white/yellowish(amber) balls similar to what crack (freebase, pure) would look like and ate them ? Or it was a bunch of rolled up crystals ? I don't get it, it was most likely some RC that is way past my time with a long ass name like 5,2-APBTHBQWNS.

I'm being facetious here btw, but I wouldn't have eaten some sketch 99% surely not mdma/mda/mde moon rock.
 
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I had bad anxiety after taking 6-APB a few times. Suffered with it for a few weeks, then it went away immediately (~1 hr) after I started taking Zoloft. The anxiety was gone three months later when I stopped taking Zoloft.
 
^Therapy is a very good idea. With the help of a therapist, you can often get to the root of the problem and figure out some different ways to cope with your anxiety. Also, I wouldn't completely write off medications yet. Prozac and other SSRIs that might help with anxiety often do have side effects at first, but these effects won't necessarily always be around. It usually takes some time to really see how the meds will work for you.

I would approach SSRIs with caution, on paper they seem like a obvious choice but IME they rarely are where MDMA is concerned.

I will avoid the detail but I took MDMA on average once every 2 weeks for 8-9 years, doses got higher and I regularly took in excess of 800mg sometimes more and always with amphetamines.

A good few years after this period I suffered quite acute depression and even I thought SSRI would help but nothing could have been further from the truth, I think on all I tried 5 and everyone made me very ill, symptoms ranging from hallucinations, violet vomiting and internal bleeding. Ive since heard others experience the same.Trycyclics give me no problems but seem ineffective, the only thing that made a significant difference was Venlafaxine, the side effect were not good but I did feel much better.

IME MDMA can leave residual anxieties that are hard to work through, I had issues with normal life never comparing to the drug experience which compounded the depression. it should also never ben underestimated in its ability to mess with your head.

I would recommend CBT or other counselling prior to taking any ADs as long as things are not too desperate right now, in most cases these feeling do disapate after a time, and the good times you had come more to the fore, I have no regrets and experienced things during that time that have become part of me.
 
Do you know your bad experiences with SSRIs have anything to do with MDMA? Some people experience those side effects on SSRIs without drug use history.
 
Do you know your bad experiences with SSRIs have anything to do with MDMA? Some people experience those side effects on SSRIs without drug use history.

This is of course entirely possible and the suggestion other MDMA users have had a similar issue are purely anecdotal.

What I was getting at was that common medical theory largely based on dubious studies suggests that MDMA can damage the Serotonin systems and pathways in the brain, most notably that crazy study with squirrel monkeys.

The suggestion is that after heavy MDMA use you will have less Serotonin in you brain and less receptors etc, so an SSRI would seem to be a likely solution. In my case I took over 500 doses of MDMA over 8 years so should have managed to deplete my Serotonin.

Citilopram made my very ill hullicinate and worsened my thought of suicide significantly

Prozac - caused projectile vomiting within a hour of taking it

Sertraline - gave me internal bleeding

It may just be me but at least in my case SSRIs didn't help, in fact the opposite..


Tryclyclics seem to do nothing for me but don't have any adverse affects

Venlafaxine was a very effective AD - I took it for sometime but in the end side effects made it impractical

I have taken other ADs but don't remember them off hand.

I accept that there is no one size fits all for ADs, I'm just of the view that MDMA does not cause significant damage to the Serotonin system and that the issues many suffer after use are transitory and should not be treated with ADs which are for use with people suffering acute and severe depression.
 
Er, MDMA use does result in changes to the serotonin system. Otherwise you'd be able to roll all the time... When use isn't excessive, things will usually return back to normal within days, and the temporary changes might not even have a discernible effect. "damage" does not mean "permanent damage". Long-term neurological changes might not actually result in behavioral/emotional/cognitive issues.

Such changes can be seen on MRIs and brain imaging.

Most people treated with Prozac or Zoloft simply don't have major side effects. If someone is suffering from anxiety for more than a few weeks, I think it's certainly worth trying one of them, especially if anxiety is suspected to be linked to serotonin releasers.
(Had I not started Zoloft when I had anxiety likely due to 6-APB use, I would have ended up dependent on Xanax or etizolam or on short term disability for a while.)
 
There are numerous studies listing the percentages of tested subjects and the likelihood of one side effect or another, it's far from uncommon.

To clarify I'm not suggesting MDMA doesn't have some effect on the serotonin mechanisms in the brain, although it complete action is not totally understood nor is the role of Serotonin throughout the various parts of the body it is active in.

I was challenging the dubious evidence that MDMA damages the Serotonin system within the brain, this evidence is largely taken from a trial using squirrel monkeys that were injected daily with enormous quantities of MDMA and had there brains examined before and after.

Some draw a direct connection and assume any problems with depression in an MDMA user will be cured by SSRIs, this is a flawed approach IMO, and in my IME.

I am not recommending heavy use of MDMA, but I can say I have know many hundreds of people who took the drug over a number of years and very few have suffered long term problems, the unofficial experiment in the UK in the 90's showed a fairly safe drug even in regular use.
 
I had bad anxiety after taking 6-APB a few times. Suffered with it for a few weeks, then it went away immediately (~1 hr) after I started taking Zoloft. The anxiety was gone three months later when I stopped taking Zoloft.

I think Zoloft is the most anxiolytic (and zombifying) ssri out there, right? Sometimes I felt like asking my psy who is annoyed with me only using benzos (its too late now, i take them since 2007, i'm a lifer when benzos are concerned). I tried a bunch of antidepressants, even old school tricyclics like trimipramine, imipramine, elavil...the tryclics were more effective but all of them gave me weird heartbeats so that was the end of it, same with Remeron, which is more of a tricyclic (or is it tetracyclic?). The longest one I had been on, Paxil, was for 3 months and it ended with me violently (at objects) ending a relationship with my only real and long-time girlfriend...guess what they say about Paxil making people rage is true. Effexor I took for one day, 37,5mg xr gave me LSD-like dilated pupils and massive nausea, aborted treatment immediately.

Oh how I wish they worked, because I tried em after almost becoming a regular IV user for a year (I was real close to, and with all the pills i had at once i could have had ended up in prison for a good 3 months, but I had luckily escaped it). If they had worked I wouldn't have ended up shooting dilaudid everyday to numb the breakup pain.

Cheesy, but classic for someone who already knew the powers of opiate through chipping since 3 years.

Oh yeah, moclobemide (Manerix), Aurorix in australia I think, a reversible MAOI DID WORK. But also put my blood pressure through the roof and that was before I had become a semi fatty ("proud" owner of a never going away weed belly, even after 3 years of pretty much regular gym).
 
Zoloft is pretty anxiolytic but one of the least sedating SSRIs.

I find it to be quite stimulating, to the point of inducing mania at a regular adult dose.
 
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