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Misc Baclofen W/D

Isn't Baclofen pretty similar to phenibut? I'm currently in the middle of a phenibut taper. If they hit the same receptors you could use that, but I really wouldn't suggest it. There's a bunch of people who have huge success of getting off phenibut with Neurontin, so if baclofen hits the same receptors as phenibut it would probably be best to use that.
This is kind of a pressing issue for him lol. I doubt he will have time to score some phenibut online before the withdrawals kick in with full force. Once that happens, he should have his strategy layed out. That's why I suggested booze which is most definitely available to him.

To be honest, I don't even think this one month of use will be much of an issue at all. I remember going on a 6 week ethanol binge during which I would be drinking 24/7 (even when I got up at night I'd down 100ml 80proof), yielding 600-800ml pure ethanol per day. There were no withdrawls whatsoever. On the other hand long acting benzos like diazepam induce rebound in me after a single administration.
Still, my gut says he's gonna be fine even without countering the withdrawals.

Either way I am very curious as to how he is doing tonight (my time) when he gets out of bed.
 
So thanks guys for all the posts last night. Good news. I'm still alive and not in the ER. Took 300mg Neurontin and 1mg Xanax and went to sleep around 1am. Slept through the night until 7am. Woke up with that dread anxiety, a little shakeup, not wanting to get up but not able to stay down - I'm sure you get the picture. Anyone, I got out of bed, took my regular 1mg dose of Xanax and at least got out of bed and sat in a chair with the tv on. Put down a little grits and toast. Started feeling moderately uncomfortably shaky so I just took another Neurontin. Will report back after that.

Part of me feels like I should be optimistic, but I'm cautiously optimistic as I keep hearin it can take 1-4 days for w/d's to appear. That's something I still don't get considering the half life. I would think the worst would kick in somewhere between 18 - 36 hours and that the acutes would be over by 72 hours, maybe slightly longer. Not sure why it should be any different with this drug. Any thoughts?

As it stands right now, I would be 36 hours since last dose.
 
Sounds like we had the same night. I too took 300mg of Neurontin and a 1mg Xanax last night before bed. I so wish I could help you, as I have like twenty bottles of Baclofen under my sink. I have Degenerative Disk Disease, I am on Oxycontin, Oxycodone, Neurontin, Zanaflex. Before the Zanaflex, I was on Baclofen for a long time, and honestly it didn't work for me. Just wish I could help you, as I have so much unused, but I do agree the Xanax and Neurontin will curd WD's. You are doing good for 36 hours, as normally a person taking a drug for long periods of time (and at the dose you were taking), after 24 hours is the onset of symptoms. I definitely think the Xanax in itself is helping

Best of Luck
 
Sounds like we had the same night. I too took 300mg of Neurontin and a 1mg Xanax last night before bed. I so wish I could help you, as I have like twenty bottles of Baclofen under my sink. I have Degenerative Disk Disease, I am on Oxycontin, Oxycodone, Neurontin, Zanaflex. Before the Zanaflex, I was on Baclofen for a long time, and honestly it didn't work for me. Just wish I could help you, as I have so much unused, but I do agree the Xanax and Neurontin will curd WD's. You are doing good for 36 hours, as normally a person taking a drug for long periods of time (and at the dose you were taking), after 24 hours is the onset of symptoms. I definitely think the Xanax in itself is helping

Best of Luck

Thank you for the supportive words. And I'm truely sorry for all the pain your enduring. There's actually been a development here as the pharmacist has ok'd an early refill, the last refill, of
90 10mg Baclofen. The tricky thing now is figuring out just what taper to follow. Very much looking forward to this nightmare being over though. I hope.
 
This is kind of a pressing issue for him lol. I doubt he will have time to score some phenibut online before the withdrawals kick in with full force. Once that happens, he should have his strategy layed out. That's why I suggested booze which is most definitely available to him.

To be honest, I don't even think this one month of use will be much of an issue at all. I remember going on a 6 week ethanol binge during which I would be drinking 24/7 (even when I got up at night I'd down 100ml 80proof), yielding 600-800ml pure ethanol per day. There were no withdrawls whatsoever. On the other hand long acting benzos like diazepam induce rebound in me after a single administration.
Still, my gut says he's gonna be fine even without countering the withdrawals.

Either way I am very curious as to how he is doing tonight (my time) when he gets out of bed.

One thing that may be different for you than for me, and different for everyone, is how long a period of use takes to cause w/d. From the very beginning, I've always been the type that if I take any benzo, barb, opiate, - really anything other than amph and stimulants - even for just a night, I'll have withdrawals. The first time I tried SQ K4's, I went through the full 3 day opiate w/d. My body finds a chemical it likes, it snuggles up to it and doesn't want to let go. And it's always been that way for me.
 
One thing that may be different for you than for me, and different for everyone, is how long a period of use takes to cause w/d. From the very beginning, I've always been the type that if I take any benzo, barb, opiate, - really anything other than amph and stimulants - even for just a night, I'll have withdrawals. The first time I tried SQ K4's, I went through the full 3 day opiate w/d. My body finds a chemical it likes, it snuggles up to it and doesn't want to let go. And it's always been that way for me.
Ok that blows. People can indeed be very different in that respect. Tapering with your new baclofen supply hopefully won't be an issue. Since your supply is limited, I think you should at least allow your body to go into mild withdrawals and then take the smallest dose that results in a state which feels unharmful to you, without any adding of your neurontin or benzo. Only then can you really decide how long the tapering will have to go on and in what intervals and by what amount you can decrease the dosage. Pretty sure you got the situation covered there, eventhough it will surely suck as it would when coming off any gabaergic drug.

Or you could always get hammered on your new supply and decide what to do when you run out.^^
 
Ok that blows. People can indeed be very different in that respect. Tapering with your new baclofen supply hopefully won't be an issue. Since your supply is limited, I think you should at least allow your body to go into mild withdrawals and then take the smallest dose that results in a state which feels unharmful to you, without any adding of your neurontin or benzo. Only then can you really decide how long the tapering will have to go on and in what intervals and by what amount you can decrease the dosage. Pretty sure you got the situation covered there, eventhough it will surely suck as it would when coming off any gabaergic drug.

Or you could always get hammered on your new supply and decide what to do when you run out.^^

Yeah. Definitely not doing that last thing.

Looks like I'm going to do 45mg for 3 days, 30mg for 3 days, 15mg for 3 days, then possibly 10mg for 3 days. Something like that.

And yes, it sucks to have a body that reacts that way. Don't have any clue why it happens. If I have to take something as mild as 10mg hydro for 4-5 days at regular doses I have to be tapered off and often given an additional Librium taper.

I will say this. And most doctors tend to disagree. But a prescribed, strong enough, long Librium taper, along with a few supportive meds if needed, has gotten me through just about every type of withdrawal imaginable. Every time, without fail.
 
I didnt read all post so I dont know if anyone say it already but, many people take Neurotin and Lyrica for Opiate and Benzodiazepine withdrawal so I guess it would help for Baclofen. Am actually taking Baclofen to help me sleep because Im having a very bad AH-7921 withdrawal that lasted 2 months (well actually AH-7921 WD cause gastritis and its why it last so long) I just started feeling better . Im taking 50mg almost every night, how long is enough to cause withdrawal ? I really dont need to withdraw from another drug.
 
Looks like I'm going to do 45mg for 3 days, 30mg for 3 days, 15mg for 3 days, then possibly 10mg for 3 days. Something like that.
Sounds like a rapid drop-off in the end still if Baclofen is as bad as people say it is, especially with you being so sensitive. I'd probably drop off faster in the beginning and flatten out more towards the tail end. Considering you have lots of experience with tapering gabaergics though you must know better than me what you are doing there.

I had never heard of utilizing chlordiazepoxide for this. It's just amazing though what a proper taper can do in terms of withdrawal intensity.

Good luck!

EDIT: I hope you keep us updated since there is little information on this and people have and will probably be running into similar problems.
 
I didnt read all post so I dont know if anyone say it already but, many people take Neurotin and Lyrica for Opiate and Benzodiazepine withdrawal so I guess it would help for Baclofen. Am actually taking Baclofen to help me sleep because Im having a very bad AH-7921 withdrawal that lasted 2 months (well actually AH-7921 WD cause gastritis and its why it last so long) I just started feeling better . Im taking 50mg almost every night, how long is enough to cause withdrawal ? I really dont need to withdraw from another drug.

Well, I am, obviously, no expert on this. But in my state of panic that started this thread I have read A LOT about it. The best notes I've seen - the ones that made the most sense to me considering the withdrawal I was beginning to go through after such short use - is that if you a)take it everyday for more than 2 weeks b) take it on and off, at least every 3 days for 2 months or c) and this one's a no brainer, you take high doses for extended periods of time - you will go through some sort of withdrawal.

What I've also learned about Baclofen, that makes it particularly nasty, is that nobody has really found anything that fixes abrupt discontinuation of Baclofen, other than more Baclofen.

Basically, it's a drug that HAS to be tapered down in order to experience minimal withdrawal.

I dabbled in 10-20mg doses at night on and off for a few weeks for headaches. Then went up to high doses of 80-90mg for the last 2 weeks. I was starting to feel pretty rough, and that's while also taking Xanax (prescribed, daily med). Definitely had that "it's in the mail" feeling". And all accounts of cold turkey w/d start talking about hell on day 3. I fortunately never made it there.

I do believe though, as others have said, that it's entirely possible that someone could take the doses I did and have zero withdrawal. We're all different.


I can report that low doses of Neurontin, taken by someone who doesn't take Neurontin, did help. But, I'm also prescribed Xanax so who knows how much that was helping. My personal feeling is not much, as my body was already used to that med.

The good news - all accounts point to successful withdrawal as long as you take it as slow as possible.
 
Sounds like a rapid drop-off in the end still if Baclofen is as bad as people say it is, especially with you being so sensitive. I'd probably drop off faster in the beginning and flatten out more towards the tail end. Considering you have lots of experience with tapering gabaergics though you must know better than me what you are doing there.

I had never heard of utilizing chlordiazepoxide for this. It's just amazing though what a proper taper can do in terms of withdrawal intensity.

Good luck!

EDIT: I hope you keep us updated since there is little information on this and people have and will probably be running into similar problems.

I'm going on what others are telling me. So any advice otherwise I'd love to listen to. In fact, please tell me how you would go about it. Need all the help I can get!

And on the chlordiazepoxide - ABSOLUTE MIRACLE TAPER DRUG. 2-3 weeks tapers of Librium, at the right fairly high starting dose, and always sticking to the schedule have gotten me off things most wouldn't imagine just cold turkey quitting. I was on a high dose of Subutex for 2 years. The day I took the last one I started a high dose 3 week Librium taper supplemented with Ultram (don't ask me why but it worked). Absolutely painless. No lingering issues even a week after the last Librium. Have been through the same thing with long term xanax, IV H, and Oxy. The stuff has about the longest half life of anything I've ever seen and I think that's why a proper taper works so well. May not make sense, but it works.
 
John, I was under the impression from your first post that baclofen was the only drug you were taking currently. I didn't read this right sorry. Ok so I really think using the Xanax and Neurontin will keep you safe. Plus you taking the big doses for about two weeks right?
 
John, I was under the impression from your first post that baclofen was the only drug you were taking currently. I didn't read this right sorry. Ok so I really think using the Xanax and Neurontin will keep you safe. Plus you taking the big doses for about two weeks right?

Right. Roughly just 2 weeks at 80-90 a day. Actually closer to 60 the last few days of that 2 week period.
 
Well, I am, obviously, no expert on this. But in my state of panic that started this thread I have read A LOT about it. The best notes I've seen - the ones that made the most sense to me considering the withdrawal I was beginning to go through after such short use - is that if you a)take it everyday for more than 2 weeks b) take it on and off, at least every 3 days for 2 months or c) and this one's a no brainer, you take high doses for extended periods of time - you will go through some sort of withdrawal.

What I've also learned about Baclofen, that makes it particularly nasty, is that nobody has really found anything that fixes abrupt discontinuation of Baclofen, other than more Baclofen.

Basically, it's a drug that HAS to be tapered down in order to experience minimal withdrawal.

I dabbled in 10-20mg doses at night on and off for a few weeks for headaches. Then went up to high doses of 80-90mg for the last 2 weeks. I was starting to feel pretty rough, and that's while also taking Xanax (prescribed, daily med). Definitely had that "it's in the mail" feeling". And all accounts of cold turkey w/d start talking about hell on day 3. I fortunately never made it there.

I do believe though, as others have said, that it's entirely possible that someone could take the doses I did and have zero withdrawal. We're all different.


I can report that low doses of Neurontin, taken by someone who doesn't take Neurontin, did help. But, I'm also prescribed Xanax so who knows how much that was helping. My personal feeling is not much, as my body was already used to that med.

The good news - all accounts point to successful withdrawal as long as you take it as slow as possible.

Well, I can tapper down when I get short on it since its not recreational Im not addicted to it so tappering should be easy. Though, tappering usually make withdrawal longer but less intense but I guess I wont take it long enough to experience severe withdrawal after tappering.
 
Sounds like a rapid drop-off in the end still if Baclofen is as bad as people say it is, especially with you being so sensitive. I'd probably drop off faster in the beginning and flatten out more towards the tail end. Considering you have lots of experience with tapering gabaergics though you must know better than me what you are doing there.

I had never heard of utilizing chlordiazepoxide for this. It's just amazing though what a proper taper can do in terms of withdrawal intensity.

Good luck!

EDIT: I hope you keep us updated since there is little information on this and people have and will probably be running into similar problems.

crOOK,
I should clarify that though I do have a lot of experience with Gabaergic tapers - I have experience only with using extremely long acting GabaA's for withdrawal from other substances. Primarily using chlordiazepoxide (Librium) - which you obviously know about, but many people don't any more.
However, with the exception of a very successful taper off of Klonopin, I have no experience taper off a Gabaergic with the same substance or another. I've always tried to stay away from benzos because, quite honestly, I'd rather deal with 72 hours of non-life threatening hell from an opiate than a benzo withdrawal.
 
crOOK,
I should clarify that though I do have a lot of experience with Gabaergic tapers - I have experience only with using extremely long acting GabaA's for withdrawal from other substances. Primarily using chlordiazepoxide (Librium) - which you obviously know about, but many people don't any more.
However, with the exception of a very successful taper off of Klonopin, I have no experience taper off a Gabaergic with the same substance or another. I've always tried to stay away from benzos because, quite honestly, I'd rather deal with 72 hours of non-life threatening hell from an opiate than a benzo withdrawal.
Well I've never taken it myself, but I know a bit about the history of the pharmaceutical industry which chlordiazepoxide definitely is an important part of. Knowing my fair share of doctors and the little they know about pharma (not blaming them), the first thing they will naturally think when somebody asks for a a drug (of abuse) that's not been commonly prescribed anymore for decades --> DRUG SEEKER. From there on out, any discussing your of your need for the substance will require some considerable diplomatic skills.

Unless they are very knowledgable about dependence issues, most doctors don't know that much about the benefits of tapering and substitution. They will of course know it can be done and that it's important for certain classes of drugs (pretty much mandatory knowledge), but beyond that they won't usually have a good overview about what schedules and techniques which can be used, much less so when it comes to temporarily substituting.

I'm not too familiar with the various benzodiazepines, but maybe if you tried to explain the situation and what has helped in the past they'd be more inclined to prescribe a small amount of another very long acting gabaergic drug for such undertakings. I don't think there are any benzodiazepines which have a half life even close to that of chlordiazepoxide, but there still are some out there with very long half lifes that the doctor might know of (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_benzodiazepines).
It helps to let the doctor pick that substance, to give him a sense of control opposed to a sense of being tricked into prescribing the drug you were seeking all along. Looking at how knowledgable you are, given that you know this doctor well and he knows you, so there is some trust between you, it can actually help to let him know your full history of drug abuse. To the more simple-minded ones this would mean completely denying you any sort of drugs that have the slightest potential for abuse, but in some cases it will help them to work with you on whatever you are trying to achieve. Unless of course the story keeps repeating itself.

As for your life-threatening gabaergic withdrawals, if you actually do give yourself time to taper and haven't suffered of epilepsy in the past, you should be fine. I wouldn't want to go through the process myself since the fear would simply be there and couldn't be wiped out, but the chance of you really going into seizures is miniscule with how you are approaching this I would say.

About the tapers, since you did request advice. Again I'd start as low as still allows you to feel half-way safe and then maintain that dosage for a few days until you feel you are stabilizing again. From there on out you know your starting dose and can better judge how long the amount you have will last you. With this one being so uncertain I'd definitely go for tapering as long as possible, even if it's gonna give you a shitty time. It's simply much safer. If you go on the schedule you suggested, you might still run into trouble once you reach that 3rd 10mg day. You might be completely fine, but the trouble is that no one here can really tell you when it comes to baclofen.

EDIT: If you really don't feel safe, there's probably still time to illicitly score some phenazepam which has a ridiculously long half-life as well. It's been available on the research chemical market. Like I said and many others have said though: You should be perfectly fine, especially with your supply of gabapentin and alprazolam.

What I've also learned about Baclofen, that makes it particularly nasty, is that nobody has really found anything that fixes abrupt discontinuation of Baclofen, other than more Baclofen.
If all else fails, there's still alcohol (I'm personally just really curious whether that would work well^^)
 
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