Babylon the Great Mother of All Harlots & Abominations -- Revelaton 18

[GoddessLSD-XTC]

I read alot of books. Just realized I had a book about the Apocalypse, written by a scholar who believes John's Revelation was origially a Jewish book plagerized by Christians who added stuff about Jesus to the beginning and the end, entitled, "Parables of War" (about the Jewish revolt against Rome/"Babylon" at the time Revelation was written.

Other books I read including Tolstoy:
http://www.666ismoney.com/MoneyQuotes.html​

There is a very great deal to be said for the Anarchist plan of allowing necessaries, and all commodities that can easily be produced in quantities adequate to any possible demand, to be given away freely to all who ask for them, in any amounts they may require. The question whether this plan should be adopted is, to my mind, a purely technical one: would it be, in fact, possible to adopt it without much waste and consequent diversion of labor to the production of necessaries when it might be more usefully employed otherwise? I have not the means of answering this question, but I think it exceedingly probable that, sooner or later, with continued improvement in the methods of production, this Anarchist plan will become feasible; and when it does, it certainly ought to be adopted.

— Bertrand Russell, Proposed Roads to Freedom, 1919​

Money is a new and terrible form of slavery, and like the old form of personal slavery it demoralizes both slave and slave-owner, only much more, for it frees the slave and the slave-owner from personal, human relations with one another.

— Nikoli Tolstoy, What Must We Do?, 1886​

Pelatiah Webster says of this paper and the continental currency: "We have suffered more from this cause than from any other cause or calamity. It has killed more men, pervaded and corrupted the choicest interests of our country and done more injustice than even the arms and artifices of our enemies."

— John Knox, United States Notes, "Paper Money A Cause of the Revolution," 1899​

MEPHISTOPHELES: Such paper, stead of gold and jewelry,
So handy is -- one knows one's property:
One has no need of bargains or exchanges,
But drinks of love or wine, as fancy ranges.
If one needs coin, the brokers ready stand,
And if it fail, one digs awhile the land.
Goblet and chain one then at auction sells,
And paper, liquidated thus, compels
The shame of doubters and their scornful wit.
The people wish naught else; they're used to it:
From this time forth, your borders, far and wide,
With jewels, gold and paper are supplied.

EMPEROR: You've given our empire this prosperity;
The pay, then, equal to the service be!
The soil entrusted to your keeping, shall you
The best custodian be, to guard its value. . .
This, your new dignity, to wear with pleasure,
And bring the Upper World, erewhile asunder,
In happiest conjunction with the Under.
TREASURER: No further strife shall shake our joint position;
I like to have as partner the magician.

— Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, Faust, 1831​

The love of money is the mother-city of all evils.

— Diogenes, Apothegm, c.350 BC​

Ho, every one who thirsts, come to the waters; and he who has no money, come buy and eat! Come, buy wine and milk without money and without price.

— Isaiah, 55:1​

They shall cast their silver in the streets, and their gold shall be as an unclean thing; their silver and their gold shall not be able to deliver them in the day of the wrath of the Lord; they shall not satisfy their souls, neither fill their bowels; because it hath been the stumblingblock of their iniquity.

— Ezekiel, 7​

The orthodox Jews are right about not touching money (among many other things) on the sabbath – unless of course you are marking "666" (among other things) on the money. There is a saying (in the Talmud): "If everyone honored the sabbath, Messiahs would come." In Truth, which the Jews crucify, if no one touched money, there would be no need for a Messiah.

— Raquel Baranow​

"So I say to you, use your worldly wealth to win friends for yourselves, so that when money is a thing of the past you may be received into an eternal home. . . "No servant can be the slave of two masters; for either he will hate the first and love the second, or he will be devoted to the first and think nothing of the second. You cannot serve God and Money." ¶The Pharisees, who loved money , heard all this and scoffed at him.

— Jesus (Luke 16, NEV)​

Revolted by the unscrupulous pursuit of wealth that marked the age, and shocked by the splendor and luxury of some clergymen, Saint Francis of Assisi, denounced money itself as a devil and a curse and bade his followers despise it as dung.

— Will Durant, The Age of Faith, 1950​

It is an offence of this kind for a monk: to accept gold or silver with his own hand, or to get someone else to accept it for him; to buy various articles with gold and silver; to engage in any kind of buying or selling.

— Buddhist Scriptures, E. Conze, ed.​

Let there be a small country with few people,
Who, even having much machinery, don't use it.
Who take death seriously and don't wander far away.
Even though they have boats and carriages, they never ride in them.
Having armor and weapons, they never go to war.
Let them return to measurement by tying knots in rope. [Let them not need Money. — Raquel]
Sweeten their food, give them nice clothes, a peaceful abode and a relaxed life.
Even though the next country can be seen and its dogs and chickens can be heard,
The people will grow old and die without visiting each others land.

—Tao Te Ching (#80), Translated by Charles Muller​

Money is the sinews of war.

— Tacitus, Cicero, Plato, Massinger, James Payn, Libanius, James VI of Scotland, Arthur Murphy, Plutarch, John Lyly, George Peele, George Farquhar, Carlyle, Thomas Fuller, John Fletcher, Rabelias, Arthur Hull, O. Henry, Michael Scott, etc., etc.​

Gold and silver, we shall tell them, they will not need, having the divine counterparts of those metals always in their souls as a god-given possession, whose purity it is not lawful to sully by the acquisition of that mortal dross, current among mankind, which has been the occasion of so many unholy deeds.

— Plato, Republic, 400 BC​

Money, which has hitherto been the root, if not of all evil, of great injustice, oppression, and misery to the human race, making some slavish producers of wealth, and others its wasteful consumers or destroyers, will be no longer required to carry on the business of life: for as wealth of all kinds will be so delightfully created in greater abundance than will ever be required, no money price will be known, for happiness will not be purchasable, except by a reciprocity of good actions and kind feelings.

— Robert Owen, The Book of the New Moral World, 1842-4​

Contemptuous of wealth, [the Essenes] are communists to perfection . . . as with brothers, their entire property belongs to them all. . . . They possess no one city but everywhere have large colonies. When adherents arrive from elsewhere, all local resources are put at their disposal as if they were their own, and men they have never seen before entertain them like old friends. . . . Among themselves nothing is bought or sold.

— Josephus, The Jewish War, c.75 AD Compare the Essenes to New Testament Christians who, "held all things in common" (Acts 4).​

In the opening stage of the transition from capitalism to communism, and prior to the organization of a fully developed system for the communist production and distribution of goods, the abolition of money is impossible. . . The Russian Communist Party endeavours to promote a series of measures favouring a moneyless system of account keeping, and paving the way for the abolition of money.

— 8th Party Program of the U.S.S.R., 1919 Subsequent Party Programs didn't mention eliminating money.​

Question 4: Why are your cities deserted today. Why have you abolished the role of money, the system of monthly wages, and the trade network?

ANSWER (Pol Pot): We had to ask the people to go and live in the countryside in order to solve the food problem. . . Staying in the cities meant starvation. . . As for the question of money . . . It is up to the people. If the people want to use money again, we will use money again. If they see that it is not necessary, it is up to them.

— Pol Pot, Interview with Yugoslav journalists, 4/17/78, J. Contemporary Asia, 8 (3) 1978 On the lies about Cambodia see, After the Cataclysm (1979) and Manufacturing Consent (1988) by, Noam Chomsky.​

I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness, starving hysterical naked,
dragging themselves through the negro streets at dawn looking for an angry fix,
angelheaded hipsters burning for the ancient heavenly connection to the starry dynamo in the machineryof the night,
who poverty and tatters and hollow-eyed and high sat up smoking in the supernatural darkness of cold-water flats floating across the tops of cities contemplating jazz,
who bared their brains to Heaven under the El and saw Mohammedan angels staggering on tenementroofs illuminated,
who passed through universities with radiant cool eyes hallucinating Arkansas and Blake-light tragedyamong the scholars of war,
who were expelled from the academies for crazy and publishing obscene odes on the windows of the skull,
who cowered in unshaven rooms in underwear, burning their money in wastebaskets and listening to the
Terror through the wall, . . .

— Allen Ginzberg, HOWL, 1955​

America I've given you all and now I'm nothing.
America two dollars and twentyseven cents January 17, 1956.
I can't stand my own mind.
America when will we end the human war?
Go fuck yourself with your atom bomb. . . .
America when will you be angelic?
When will you take off your clothes? . . .
America why are your libraries full of tears?
America when will you send your eggs to India?
I'm sick of your insane demands.
When can I go into the supermarket and buy what I need with my good looks? . . .

— Allen Ginzberg, America, 1956​

Almost any man knows how to earn money, but not one in a million knows how to spend it. If he had known so much as this, he would never have earned it.

— H. D. Thoreau, Waldon, 1837-46​

In Utopia all greed for money was entirely removed with the use of money. What a mass of troubles was then cut away! What a crop of crimes was then pulled up by the roots! Who does not know that fraud, theft, rapine, quarrels, disorders, brawls, seditions, murders, treasons, poisonings, which are avenged rather than restrained by daily executions, die out with the destruction of money? Who does not know that fear, anxiety, worries, toils, and sleepless nights will also perish at the same time as money? What is more, poverty, which alone money seemed to make poor, forthwith would itself dwindle and disappear if money were entirely done away with everywhere.

— Saint Thomas More, Utopia, 1516​

I had visited a world incomparably more affluent than this, in which money was unknown and without conceivable use. . . . These exchanges money effected -- how equitably, might be seen in a walk from the tenement house districts to the Back Bay [Boston] -- at a cost of an army of men taken from productive labor to manage it, with constant ruinous breakdowns of its machinery, and a generally debauching influence on mankind which had justified its description, from ancient time as the "root of all evil."

— Edward Bellamy, Looking Backward, 1888. 800 Bellamy Clubs sprang up and in the election of 1892 the Populist Party, inspired by this book, won
over a million votes.​

Gold? Yellow, glittering, precious gold? No Gods,
I am no idle votarist! . . . Thus much of this will make black white, foul fair,
Wrong right, base noble, old young, coward valiant. . .
Why, this, Will lug your priests & servants from your sides,
Pluck stout men's pillows from below their heads:
This yellow slave
Will knit and break religions, bless the accursed;
Make the hoar leprosy adored, place thieves
And give them title, knee and approbation
With senators on the bench:
This is it That makes the wappen'd widow wed again;
She whom the spital-house and ulcerous sores
Would cast the gorge at, this embalms & spices
To the April day again. . . . Damned earth,
Thou common whore of mankind, that putt'st odds
Among the rout of nations. . . .
O thou sweet king-killer, and dear divorce
Twixt natural son and sire! thou bright defiler
Of Hymen's purest bed! thou valiant Mars!
Thou ever young, fresh, loved & delicate wooer,
Whose blush doth thaw the consecrated snow
That lies on Dian's lap! Thou visible God!
That solderest close impossibilities,
And mak'st them kiss! That speak'st with every tongue,
To every purpose! O thou touch of hearts!
Think thy slave man rebels, and by thy virtue
Set them into confounding odds, that beasts
May have the world in empire!

— Shakespeare, Timon of Athens., 1606​

JACK CADE: . . And when I am king, (as king I will be) . . . there shall be no money. . .
BUTCHER: The first thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers [and bureaucrats].

— Shakespeare, 2 Henry VI, c.1590​

Commerce is of little use to them, but nevertheless they do know the value of money and they mint coins for their ambassadors so that they can purchase with money the provisions which they are unable to take with them, and they get merchants to come to them from all parts of the world in order to sell them their surplus wares. And the children laugh when they see those merchants giving so much merchandise for so little silver, but the older people do not laugh. They do not want to have slaves or foreigners corrupting the city with bad customs.

— Tommaso Campanella, The City of the Sun, 1623​

I blushed, and said, stammering, "Please don't take it amiss if I ask you; I mean no offence: but what ought I to pay you? You see I am a stranger, and don't know your customs -- or your coins." And therewith I took a handful of money out of my pocket, as one does in a foreign country. . . "I think I know what you mean," my new friend said thoughtfully, "you think I have done you a service; so you feel yourself bound to give me something special. I have heard of this kind of thing; but pardon me for saying, that seems to us a troublesome and roundabout custom; and we don't know how to manage it. And you see this ferrying and giving people casts about the water is my business, which I would do for anybody; so to take gifts in connection with it would look very queer.

Besides, if one person gave me something, then another might, and another, and so on; and I hope you won't think me rude if I say that I shouldn't know where to stow away so many mementos of friendship." And he laughed loud and merrily, as if the idea of being paid for his work was a very funny joke.

— William Morris, News from Nowhere, 1891​

As soon as dinner was over, both Candide and Cacambo thought they should pay very handsomely for their entertainment by laying down two of those large gold pieces which they had picked off the ground; but the landlord and landlady burst into a fit of laughing, and held their sides for some time. When the fit was over: "Gentlemen," said the landlady, "I plainly perceive you are strangers, and such we are not accustomed to see; pardon us therefore for laughing when you offered us the common pebbles of our highways for payment of your reckoning. To be sure, you have none of the coin of this kingdom; but there is no necessity for having any money at all to dine in this house. All the inns, which are established for the convenience of those who carry on the trade of this nation, are maintained by the government.

— Voltaire, Candide, 1759​

Money is our madness, our vast collective madness.
And of course, if the multitude is mad
the individual carries his own grain of insanity around with him.
I doubt if any man living hands out a pound note without a pang;
and a real tremor, if he hands out a ten-pound note.
We quail, money makes us quail.
It has got us down, we grovel before it in strange terror.
And no wonder, for money has a fearful cruel power among men.
But it is not money we are so terrified of,
it is the collective money-madness of mankind.
For mankind says with one voice: How much is he worth?
Has he no money? Then let him eat dirt, and go cold. --
And if I have no money, they will give me a little bread so I do not die,
but they will make me eat dirt with it.
I shall have to eat dirt, I shall have to eat dirt
if I have no money. It is that that I am frightened of.
And that fear can become a delirium.
It is fear of my money-mad fellow-men.
We must have some money
to save us from eating dirt.
And this is all wrong.
Bread should be free,
shelter should be free,
fire should be free
to all and anybody, all and anybody, all over the world.
We must regain our sanity about money
before we start killing one another about it.
It's one thing or the other.

— D. H. Lawrence, Pansies, 1929​

Sallust tells Caesar that the whole world will be "set in order by land and sea . . . if you deprive money, which is the root of all evil, of its advantage and honor."

-- (Ad Caes. Or. 7.1-3)​

Fidel Castro says: "We've done away with a lot of privileges and inequalities and we want all of them to disappear, but the real problem isn't to redistribute income or equalize wares. We must break from the mastery of money, get rid of money altogether.

— Jerry Rubin, Do It!, 1970 Rubin visited Cuba and spoke with Castro.​

George Read thought the words [allowing the Federal government to "emit bills of credit" i.e., print paper money], if not struck out [of the Consitiution] would be as alarming as the mark of the Beast in Revelation.

— James Madison, Debates, 1787​

That shall come forth from hollow caves which shall cause all the nations of the world to toil and sweat with great agitation, anxiety and labor, in order to gain its aid.

— Leonardo Da Vinci (1452-1519), "Prophecies", Notebooks​

And only the Master shall praise us, and only the Master shall blame;
And no one shall work for money, and no one shall work for fame;
But each for the joy of the working, and each, in his separate star,
Shall draw the Thing as he sees It, for the God of Things as They Are!

— Rudyard Kipling (1865-1936), L' Envoi​

QUESTION: If you had the power to create or erase any one law, what would it be?
ANSWER: I would create a law that says everything in the world would cost 10 cents. I would want this law
because a lot of poor or homeless people could afford a house and food.

— Courtni Birks, 11, Naylor Middle School, Tucson, Arizona.​

In Arizona Daily Star, October 19, 2007

 

[massive]

whats wrong with picking and choosing various quotes from religion, economics, philosophy to come up with a fantastical world view? sounds like a fine hobby.

 

[Obyron]

I pretty much gave up on this thread when Goddess declared that she is the Messiah. She's perfectly entitled to her belief, but if it's all the same I won't be coming to her house to drink any Flavor Aid!

 

[GoddessLSD-XTC]

Not THE Messiah but a Messiah. I'll bet babylon falls (from Peak Oil in a few years) before I can save the world. I'd like to hook up with Britney Spears, Lindsay Lohan or Paris Hilton and use them for publicity.

 

[MyDoorsAreOpen]

Don't let me dampen your dreams of glory Goddess, but I'd have trouble taking anyone seriously who described themselves using the word 'Messiah', for the same reason I'd guffaw at anyone who called themselves a hero. Being a savior or a champion is determined only in historical retrospect, and is at the sole discretion of those who deem themselves saved or championed by this person's efforts.

As soon as one's efforts shift from doing the right thing at all costs to fitting into a type in others' eyes, well, as jaded rockstars would put it, it's not about the music anymore.

 

[GoddessLSD-XTC]

A woman I loved and asked to marry me (I later changed my last name to her's 4 what she taught me about love) once said: "We should put all these ppl together who believe they're Messiahs and let them duke it out." I suggested this idea for a talk show.

Beleive it or not, my older sister & dad think they are Messiah's too but I've been at it, thinking I'm Messiah, since birth. (I was born Christmas Eve.)

A Messiah will certainly believe in eliminating money.

 

[FreedomOfTheMind]

Don't let me dampen your dreams of glory Goddess, but I'd have trouble taking anyone seriously who described themselves using the word 'Messiah', for the same reason I'd guffaw at anyone who called themselves a hero. Being a savior or a champion is determined only in historical retrospect, and is at the sole discretion of those who deem themselves saved or championed by this person's efforts.

As soon as one's efforts shift from doing the right thing at all costs to fitting into a type in others' eyes, well, as jaded rockstars would put it, it's not about the music anymore.

Right on the money. We may all have different talents, levels of intelligence, and what not, but in the end we all come from the same source and return to the same source. We are ALL GOD. The universe is within all of us, pure awareness, consciousness, the Life Force. We are all One. The more people try to make themselves better than others and claim they are messiahs, the further away we are moving from our common humanity. Once we realize how much we have in common, the world will know true peace. Dont feed the illusion, seek the truth and you will find it in yourself (maybe with the help of some meditation or psychedelic drugs )

Namaste.

Also, think for yourselves! Dont subscribe to any religious doctrine or believe the Bible, they were written by people with motives. Make your own Bible! lol

 

[Obyron]

Beleive it or not, my older sister & dad think they are Messiah's too but I've been at it, thinking I'm Messiah, since birth. (I was born Christmas Eve.)

I was born on the feast day of St. Bede the Venerable. Maybe I'm his reincarnation! P.S.: You do know Christ wasn't ACTUALLY born on Christmas, yes?

I simply don't agree with you that any true Messiah would agree with doing away with money. Even Socialism has its roots not in eliminating money, but in making sure that workers are taken care of, since they are the most crucial of the Means of Production. It amuses me that you rant about theosophy and declare yourself a Messiah, all while quoting Marx-- who said religion is the opiate of the masses-- and Bertrand Russell-- who said that God is no more real than The Celestial Teapot. Apparently you respect these great thinkers for their economic ideas, but not their religious ideas?

A moneyless society would depend on a person being able to acquire goods and services relative to the quantity, quality, and desirability of the work they do. ie: Should a highly-trained surgeon not have better access to goods than a ditch digger? To this end it would be necessary to come up with some kind of system whereby we could award someone "points" based on the amount of work they do, the quality of said work, and how in demand the work is. These "points" should be universally recognizable and tradeable for any and all goods. It should be recognized as the de facto standard of repayment for all debts, public and private. Ideally the points should come in a form that you can carry around with you, to simplify the process of using them, and so they can be put to use without unnecessary personal intrusion (ie: You should be able to trade your points for a black, 16" strap-on vibrator without the clerk having to verify your identity and your employment!).

Does such a system sound familiar? I'll give you a hint: it starts with "m" and rhymes with "money."

Imagine we do away with money. Do you socialize all work and give people what you think they deserve? You would need a system to quantify this worth. That system would be equivalent to money.

Do you go to a barter system? How about intangible goods? If I am a surgeon, what if I want to trade a certain quantity of surgery, or even general medical practice, in exchange for a house? Do I need to find a community that does not have such a medical professional, and ask them to quarter me and feed me in exchange for my services? Should these services be tradeable by extension? ie: If you do not need heart surgery but your sister in the next village does, can you give her your heart surgery? If I issue "surgical vouchers" that are bearer instruments, then they are equivalent to money.

Even with physical goods this happens! Say I am a cattle rancher, and I want to trade a certain quantity of beef in exchange for vegetables or clothing. Someone would have to come up with a ratio to describe the exchange. ie: 20 pounds of Vegetable X = 1 pound of ground beef, such that there are .05 units of beef per unit Vegetable X. This number is the same thing as money, it is just not physically quantified.

What about secondary goods? If I am a cattle rancher, I have access to leather and milk, but that does not mean I know how to tan the leather and make clothing, or that I know how to turn the milk into cheese. I give these goods to people who know how to make them, and they give me back finished products in exchange for some agreed-upon quantity of EXTRA goods that they can then pass on to others in exchange for the things that THEY need. How do you quantify this? What is the value of a tanner's labor relative to raw materials and the finished jacket he gives me? The two of you will agree on a magic ratio, and that ratio is the same thing as money, but it is never printed by any treasury, nor ever held by any bank; but it's still there.

You might get rid of physical cash representations, but you can NEVER get rid of money. Money is a mathematical concept. We just print it to make trade easier, and to make it easier to pass around raw economic value without necessarily having to pass around actual goods and services. How do I trade 1/1000 of a wisdom tooth extraction for a gallon of milk? I give the cashier 3 dollars, that's how.

Anyone who advocates getting rid of MONEY is advocating getting rid of COMMERCE. Opposing cash just because you don't like the fact that Ben Franklin's face is on the 100s is fucking moronic.

 

[GoddessLSD-XTC]

Right on the money. . . [bla, bla, bla]
Namaste. Also, think for yourselves! Dont subscribe to any religious doctrine or believe the Bible, they were written by people with motives. Make your own Bible! lol

The solution is to eliminate money, it's in the buy-bull too! (There are good things in there, mainy the 4 gospels, fuck the rest and especialy "Saint" Paul!

 

[Obyron]

Also...

There's no other way to configure the 13 stars above the Eagle on the back of the $1 bill except a Hexagram (Jewish Star of David). There's lotsa Masonic symbolism in the U$A's "Great Seal" (front and back).

Speaking as a Freemason, you're full of shit. The eye in the pyramid can certainly have a symbolic meaning to Freemasons, but it is not a masonic symbol. You could say that the the eye represents The Creator (masons do not advocate any one religion's god over any other), and that the unfinished lower portion of the pyramid represents our lives; thus our lives can only be made complete by spirituality. By extension, using this as the Great Seal, would imply that the physical work of building a new country should meet with divine approval. This is why the motto around the eye & pyramid is "Annuit Coeptus, Novus Ordo Seclorum"; meaning "He (The Eye of Providence) Approves of Our Undertaking, A New Order for the Ages." Annuit = annuo = "approval", and coeptus = coepi = undertaking. Novus Ordo = New Order, and Seclorum = Ages. New Secular Order would be Novus Ordo Secularum, and New World Order would be Novus Ordo Mundi.

There are a bunch of things which add up to 13s, which would be in honor of the 13 original colonies. There is a belief that the bird has 32 feathers, but it just depends on how you count them. If you count the "outer" feathers you come up with 34, but supposedly you shouldn't count the ones on the end. It doesn't fucking matter, since Masonry has 3 degrees. Scottish Rite Masonry has 33 degrees, but York Rite Masonry has 13. However, older rites such as the Rites of Memphis and Mizraim have around 100 degrees. There is a belief that the Seal of the Treasury contains a square, which is a common masonic symbol, but in reality it's just a heraldic chevron containing 13 stars which represent the original 13 colonies.

I managed to find a conspiracy page which says that Scottish Rite Masonry has 33 degrees and that York Rite Masonry has 9, which is a load. In states that are A.F.&A.M. masonry (which is descended from the Unified Grand Lodge of England), they recognize four degrees of the Blue Lodge (with the fourth being the Royal Arch) which would mean that there would be 9 ADDITIONAL degrees in the York Rite, but by this reasoning the Scottish Rite would only have 30 degrees, and that doesn't advance their conspiracy theory. However, most states I know of practice F.&A.M. masonry, whereby there are 3 Blue Lodge degrees, 10 additional York Rite Degrees, and 30 additional Scottish Rite Degrees. Confused yet? Anyone advancing a masonic conspiracy theory for symbols on money is almost always a sad, confused soul who knows absolutely nothing about Masonry, or US history. The only Mason on the design committee for the Great Seal was Ben Franklin, and none of his ideas were accepted!

But naturally, I'd say all of this if there really were a conspiracy to throw you off or something. Conspiracy theories are lunacy.

 

[GoddessLSD-XTC]

I was born on the feast day of St. Bede the Venerable. Maybe I'm his reincarnation! P.S.: You do know Christ wasn't ACTUALLY born on Christmas, yes?

Yeah, it's just a coincidence, it's my wisdom that could save the world.

I simply don't agree with you that any true Messiah would agree with doing away with money. Even Socialism has its roots not in eliminating money, but in making sure that workers are taken care of, since they are the most crucial of the Means of Production.

Read the Gospel of eliminating money I posted above and the Quote by Nikoli Bukharin below -- "Socialism is an intermeidiate stage between capitalism and communism . . a Communist society will not have money":

Click on image 4 a larger view and then "mouse over" to bottom right to expand.

It amuses me that you rant about theosophy [U mean Theology] and declare yourself a Messiah, all while quoting Marx-- who said religion is the opiate of the masses--

A "messiah" doesn't hafta be "religious," have I mentioned "God" yet?!

Opiates are used to kill the pain of life: Religions (illogical dogma, fantasies) are used to kill the pain of life.

and Bertrand Russell -- who said that God is no more real than The Celestial Teapot.

Russell was smart but never experienced god. (There, I think I mentioned "god" for the first time.) So what if Russell had an ax to grind against god, I don't. He's right about money though. Can't be right all the time. Sometimes I'm wrong, I can't remember the last time but my best friend probably can. Everything happens for a reason.

Apparently you respect these great thinkers for their economic ideas, but not their religious ideas?

Right! Marx never experienced god either.

Bla bla bla

The above image quoting Engles & Gadffi shows that when U have an abundance, there's no reason to divy and hoard. Modern machinery can produce an abundance.

I don't expect to eliminate $$$ without education.

There's not many people who do necessary work like grow food, manufacture houses, roads, etc. Most ppl in developed cuntries work at unnecessary jobs like banking, insurance, real estate, 30-year mortgages, lousy restraunts etc.

You sound like a money-lover!

Jesus said, "You can't serve god & money . . you'll either love the one and hate the other." . . . but the Pharisees, who loved money heard all this and scoffed. -- Luke 16

 

[GoddessLSD-XTC]

As soon as one's efforts shift from doing the right thing at all costs to . . . [crazy sh*t]

Doing the "right thing" is advocating eliminating money, laws and international boundaries.

Setting a good example is good too but doesn't get the message out -- mark "666isMONEY" on you money

 

[GoddessLSD-XTC]

Speaking as a Freemason, you're full of shit.

The point I was making was that Freemasons were involved in the creation of the U$A:

http://www.666ismoney.com/MasonsJews.html

There really is a conspiracy about the Truth. The devils crucifiy/slander anyone who believes in eliminating money or exposing their lies/propaganda.

Save yourself some time & money: forget Masonry, study my website

 

[Obyron]

There's not many people who do necessary work like grow food, manufacture houses, roads, etc. Most ppl in developed cuntries work at unnecessary jobs like banking, insurance, real estate, 30-year mortgages, lousy restraunts etc.

You sound like a money-lover!

I assume then that you do not refute my points because you are unable to. Money will always be with us in one form or another, because it is a mathematical concept that underlies trade, and not merely a physical bill with pretty pictures on it.

I said theosophy, and meant theosophy (i.e.: religious philosophy), however I could just as easily and rightly called it theosophistry. You seem to like dictionaries, so I'll let you look up the roots.

I am not a money-lover, but someone who thinks that people are smart enough to realize that maybe not all their problems come from money. You might call abolishing money freedom, but I call it serfdom. Read my post again and see if you can pick out what my point is about money, instead of summing it up as "bla bla bla."

I frankly don't give a fuck what Jesus said, because I don't believe that Jesus is God. I give his philosophy no more credence than the rantings of a lunatic on the internet. The bible is no more important or true to me than the Egyptian Book of the Dead, the Avesta, or the mantra of the Hare Krishnas. I am a deist. My god had better things to do than write books. Or rather, it had better things to do than inspire followers who would waste their time writing books in an attempt to speak for it.

Really I could care less at this point. You obviously have delusions of grandeur. You can quote Engels, Marx, Bukharin, &c. all you like, but it matters not to me because I think socialism is misguided. It begins with good intentions (elevating the status of workers) and ends as an excuse for autocracy and tyranny. I won't even stoop so low as to discuss Qaddafi. Given that you're such a fan, and that you have such an apparent dislike for Jews, I'm assuming you thought the terrorist attack at the Munich Olympics was a great idea? But hey, he's a kinder and gentler dictator now...

I can't help but think that you're a crank, because it's hard for me to believe that anyone could actually believe some of the stuff you put forward. There's also your tendency to write off refutations of your arguments without comment, as you've done with a couple of my responses now. Arguing with you on this topic is like trying to teach a pig to sing: you don't get any singing, and it just upsets the pig.

 

[MyDoorsAreOpen]

I can't help but think that you're a crank, because it's hard for me to believe that anyone could actually believe some of the stuff you put forward. There's also your tendency to write off refutations of your arguments without comment, as you've done with a couple of my responses now. Arguing with you on this topic is like trying to teach a pig to sing: you don't get any singing, and it just upsets the pig.

Fixed.

I've done my best to entertain you and engage you with respect, Goddess, as have others here. But if you're willing to stoop to trashing other people's points of view, I'm all outta respect, sunshine. Have fun selling your shpiel in the clinker.

Oh, and for future reference, posting gigantic images or pages-long block quotes is a little rude.

 

[MyDoorsAreOpen]

I've been convinced to reopen this one, on the condition that it stays civil. Any more flaming, and I'll do worse than close it; I'll send it to the Lounge, where it will die a slow, very painful death by raping. Ya heard?

 

[FreedomOfTheMind]

I dont mean to interject , but with all this talk about the hexagram being the star of david, yes that is true since they are the same symbol but with WAY different meanings. The jews were around way before the christians and didnt make evil symbols (AFAIK) since you know what, they wernt concerned with hell, damnation and all that bullshit about punishing people for "sins".

The star of david is a symbol of judaism and love and should be respected. The swastika used to be an Indian peace symbol but now what does it stand for? see what i mean.

the star of david is used in many religions, such as islam with a diff name for the symbol, and it is peaceful in nature, according to the jewish use of the symbol. I believe it was the christians who attached the evil meaning to it ad re-namedi t hexagram. Just some food for thought. The history of symbols is very interesting.

 

[FreedomOfTheMind]

So what?! Are you kidding? If he's Jewish (or a fundamentalist like Huckabee or Bush) he'll support the state of Israel. Only a Messiah can establish Israel. Israel can only be established without bullets, barbed wire and bullshit, worldwide, without money and laws. There is a sect of Orthodox Jews who are against the state of Israel who believe this too. They attended the Holocaust "Denial" conference in Iran.

So are you the leading authority on Israel? Why can only a messiah start the state of Israel? Oh yeah, i forgot you are a "prophet" and know everything. Well, whether you like it or not (for the record, i am not a zionist or 100% pro israel, its a complicated issue) Israel is established and its gonna stay that way for awhile. No messiah is going to come unless u believe that, which I sure as fuck dont. You obviously dont know shit and are one of the most ignorant people I have ever encountered. Not all jews are money hungry zionists. I know plenty of christians and muslims, etc that are money hungry douches. That was a major stereotype and you keep trying to find all this duality with people, Deep down inside, we are all the same. Israel may have been established in a not so just matter, but that is for another topic. If you hate America so much, then why dont you leave? Idc if you hate Israel, I personally think it is a beautful country with beautiiful people and have a lot of family there. I may not agree with the govt, just liek I sure as hell dont support the American govt, but I love aspect of American culture and the people here (for the most part)

I just cant believe how idiotic you sound when you make anti-semetic comments. You are spreading just as much hate as your so called evil empire USA by making ot seem that it is a bad thing to be jewish? Why cant we just spread the love? We are all different and come from diff cultures, we should spread love and understanding our diff perspectives instead of making blanket statements. Also, the jews whom u hate so much are responsible for your beloved bible (which i think is the biggesdt bullshit book in world history, but thats a diff topic). I just dont understand why somebody would want to spread hate and mis understanding/misconceptions. Geez. This is the biggest problem in the world, not America, but people spreading this hate.

BTW, Obryon, I share some of your views and think you came up with some highly intelligent and well thought out responses.

 

[GoddessLSD-XTC]

Thx MDAO for reopening this thread.

I apologize to Obyron for writing, "what U say below is mostly sh*t" but that was in response to Obyron saying something much worse about me.

When I find a counter arguement about the Masconic symbols on the back of the dollar I'll post it. There's also evidence that Washington DC has Masconic symbolism in the city's layout but I'm not sure how credible the evidence is -- haven't read it in awhile.

I was also shocked to read that Obyron was a Mason! I consider Masonry a very irrational religion, like Theosophy.

I'm still recovering from 24 hours in jail, so I'm behind in work. This is my busiest time of year with the tax lien sale at the end of the month, hafta do lotsa research on computer.

It's also cool that this thread is popping up on Google. I have Google-News alerts for the phrase, "Mother of all Harlots" (the title of this Thread). MOAH was MySpace name for awhile.

I believe it was the christians who attached the evil meaning to it ad re-named it hexagram.

Wrong. "Hex" is the Greek word for six. It has nothing to do with satanic hexing.

So are you the leading authority on Israel? Why can only a messiah start the state of Israel?

I do know a lot about Israel (most of it NOT good), there are Orthodox, Jews who agree that only a Messiah can establish Israel. Here's their website: http://www.nkusa.org/ they also attended the Iranian Holocaust "Denial" Conference but were not too well accepted by the audience who questioned them about the Talmud.

If you hate America so much, then why dont you leave?

The solution is the change something U dislike, NOT run away or leave. I'd like to hide out somewhere far away from Babylon and have a farm, to prepare for Babylon's inevitable fall.

You are spreading just as much hate as your so called evil empire USA by making ot seem that it is a bad thing to be jewish? Why cant we just spread the love?

It's not a "bad thing" to be Jewish any more than it is to like George Bush or be a Republican. But I dislike devils, liars, slanderers. U may disagree that the Jews are, as Jesus (if he existed), "of their father, the Devil."

As for spreading Love. I'm all for that. Your comments about me are not very lovely but I'm NOT gonna report them to the Mods at Bluelight. I don't speak or write about Jews that way! This would be a Lovely cuntry (sic) if we eliminated money

Also, the jews whom u hate so much are responsible for your beloved bible (which i think is the biggesdt bullshit book in world history, but thats a diff topic).

It's NOT my "beloved bible." I too think there's a lot of sh*t in it, especially the illogical, trite ramblings of "Saint" Paul.

 

[GoddessLSD-XTC]

Masonic $ymbol$ on the $ Dollar

The eye in the pyramid can certainly have a symbolic meaning to Freemasons, but it is not a masonic symbol. . . . Anyone advancing a masonic conspiracy theory for symbols on money is almost always a sad, confused soul who knows absolutely nothing about Masonry, or US history. The only Mason on the design committee for the Great Seal was Ben Franklin, and none of his ideas were accepted! . . . Conspiracy theories are lunacy.

You can say The Great Seal is not Masonic but it's like saying there is NOT an elephant in the room when if fact there is. Here's a webpage written by a Mason in Japan that explains Masonic symbolism on the Great Seal: http://cointrade.awardspace.com/Mas...at seal of the United States of America1.html

(I have a photo I took 20 years ago of a symbol on the floor of the Masonic Temple in Tucson that looks exactly like the Great Seal, when/if I find it, I'll post it. I have thousands of uncatalogued photos. Next time the Temple is open I'll take another pic.)

Just found this pic online inside the Masonic Temple in Tucson. Note the two-headed Eagle, which also appears in the symbol I saw on the floor inside with an all-seeing eye/pyramid and the unside down five-pointed star which is a symbol of Satan and for the Congressional Medal of Honor. The building was built in 1915.

Wonder what they are planning to do with the jewish Menorah?!

Doesn't matter that there's only one person on the design committee who was a Mason. The final design has Masonic symbols on it. I'm sure the people who helped design it knew Masonic symbolism. Masonry was very popular at the time and Congress would approve it 'cause many Congressmen were Masons when The Great Seal was approved by Congress in 1782. It doesn't matter to me if it's a conspiracy or coincidence.

I can understand why Masons dislike conspiracies because the conspiracy may be true!

The Anti-Masonic Party was formed in upstate New York in 1828, and was the first third party in American national politics.

Many people feared the Masons, believing that it was a powerful, secret society that was trying to rule the country in defiance of republican principles. Other objections were to Freemasonry's alleged links to the occult, witchcraft, and ceremonial magic. They came together to form a political party after the Morgan incident convinced them the Masons were murdering their opponents.

The key episode was the mysterious disappearance, in 1826, of William Morgan (c. 1775-c. 1826), a Freemason of Batavia, New York, who had become dissatisfied with his Order and published secrets about the local lodge. When his doing became known to the lodge, Morgan was subjected to frequent annoyances, and finally in September 1826 he was seized by parties unknown and surreptitiously taken to Fort Niagara, after which he disappeared.

To further discredit Morgan, Masons published two changed versions of his book, that would make a Mason reading it think that Morgan had not published the secrets of Freemasonry at all.

The event created great excitement, and led many to believe that not just the local lodge but that all Freemasonry was in conflict with good citizenship. Because judges, businessmen, bankers, and politicians were often Masons, ordinary citizens began to think of it as an elitist group. Moreover, many argued that the lodges' secret oaths bound the brethren to favor each other against outsiders, in the courts as well as elsewhere. Because the trial of the Morgan conspirators was mishandled, and the Masons resisted further inquiries, it became an article of faith of its opponents that Masonic judges would not sentence and Masonic juries would fail to convict fellow members of the order.

They considered the Masons to be an exclusive organization taking unfair advantage of common folk and violating the essential principles of democracy. True Americans, they said, had to organize and defeat this conspiracy.

SOURCE: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-Masonic_Party