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Autism and Ecstasy?

TrippedOutKid

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This might be better in Ecstasy Discussion so feel free to move it there if it fits better.


I have a theory here that I might have Autism and have had my boyfriend watch me more closely over the past month to see what signs are there. The other night I rolled again with him which makes me more aware of what I keep to myself or of certain behaviors and I think they were either enhanced or I was just noticing them more. What effects would Ecstasy have on an Autistic person? Is anyone here Autistic that I could talk to further in or out of this thread about the effects of other chemicals on an Autistic person?
 
Um, if you think you might have symptoms of autism, and want to know, I would suggest maybe talking to a doctor rather than try to emphasise those possible symptoms with psychoactive drugs.

What makes you think you are autistic anyway?
 
id be very surprised if you had autism of any true scale, and no one noticed it in school or at home when you were younger. i work with autistic kids and its patently obvious they have autism. yes i know there are grades, but i wouldnt worry about it.

and i wouldnt imagine autistic kids would have anything other than normal effects from E. would be an interesting experiment tho.
 
Well when you work with these autistic kids, give them a few rolls, tell them its candy, they wont know the difference :D
 
I think I have a cold.. I'm going to roll and see if I sneeze more instead of going to a doctor.=D
 
autism is serious and if you honestly believe you're exuding symptoms, SEE A DOCTOR!! you also might want to reconsider your drug use if you think you're autistic. i don't know where you got this idea in the first place but as i said, if it's a true concern, cut the crap and get to a doctor ASAP.
 
I work with kids who have autism. I guess it may just be really bad cases, because one in particular is about 19, and for the most operates on the level of a 4-5 year old.
 
you're nowhere near autistic since you were able to make this post. You're obsessing over it. See a therapist.
 
I agree, that fact that you sent this post makes it unlikely. If you were autistic you would be less interested in what people had to say about it.

If you're worried about your mental state, I'd prescribe talking and more talking
 
Fujicrow, "autism" is not one clearly definable "disorder", the autistic spectrum goes all the way from your stereotypical low functioning kanner-type autistic, who is incapable of caring for themselves, right the way through to Asperger's syndrome, in varying degrees of..whats the word...obviousness, to those people who for all intents and purposes, might as well be, and pass for, neurotypical, but who have a few slight autistic spectrum traits.

Telling people "you aren't autistic because you were able to type this post", is a good way to invalidate someones situation to them, who may well have low self confidence, and I can tell you, from experience, being AS myself, that there are very many of us able to communicate just fine, and, for that matter, there are a few other aspies seemingly coming out of the woodwork here just of late.

Forget what you think you know, forget what you saw in "rain man", and do some research, before you judge someone, without having the background to do so.


As for MDMA, personally, one of the major ways in which my AS shows, is a near lack of emotion, and reliance on logic, in my own case, I have little emotion of my own at all, but as a result of that, when I know people, I can very often read them like a book, as my own emotions lacking, do not get in the way, and no longer act as a filter, or "background noise" so to speak, so in a way, I feel emotion through others.

How ironic, an autistic empath, of sorts anyways.

I'm not too much experienced with MDMA, but the times I have taken it, I found very significant improvement in my emotional state, and ability to feel emotions
of my own, instead of merely being stuck with analysing other people's, I do find though, that the comedown, is particularly harsh, compared to what many of the NTs I know seem to experience, and I won't take it without benzos/phenobarb to put me out for the next few days, but by no means would I apply that to everybody, because I am very sensitive to any sort of stimulant, and seemingly, metabolise them quite slowly (last time I took MDMA, granted a large dose, but I was very much under the effects for around 3-4 days)


Feel free to add me on MSN (its in my Bl profile), or PM me about it, and I'l share what I know through my own experience.

BristolRob, sounds like you have read the textbooks, but have never talked to or got to know any high-functioning autistics, we aren't dumb automatons, and we do have feelings, and to say we don't care what others think, is not only incorrect, but downright offensive.
 
Limpet_Chicken said:
Fujicrow, "autism" is not one clearly definable "disorder", the autistic spectrum goes all the way from your stereotypical low functioning kanner-type autistic, who is incapable of caring for themselves, right the way through to Asperger's syndrome, in varying degrees of..whats the word...obviousness, to those people who for all intents and purposes, might as well be, and pass for, neurotypical, but who have a few slight autistic spectrum traits.

Telling people "you aren't autistic because you were able to type this post", is a good way to invalidate someones situation to them, who may well have low self confidence, and I can tell you, from experience, being AS myself, that there are very many of us able to communicate just fine, and, for that matter, there are a few other aspies seemingly coming out of the woodwork here just of late.

Forget what you think you know, forget what you saw in "rain man", and do some research, before you judge someone, without having the background to do so.


As for MDMA, personally, one of the major ways in which my AS shows, is a near lack of emotion, and reliance on logic, in my own case, I have little emotion of my own at all, but as a result of that, when I know people, I can very often read them like a book, as my own emotions lacking, do not get in the way, and no longer act as a filter, or "background noise" so to speak, so in a way, I feel emotion through others.

How ironic, an autistic empath, of sorts anyways.

I'm not too much experienced with MDMA, but the times I have taken it, I found very significant improvement in my emotional state, and ability to feel emotions
of my own, instead of merely being stuck with analysing other people's, I do find though, that the comedown, is particularly harsh, compared to what many of the NTs I know seem to experience, and I won't take it without benzos/phenobarb to put me out for the next few days, but by no means would I apply that to everybody, because I am very sensitive to any sort of stimulant, and seemingly, metabolise them quite slowly (last time I took MDMA, granted a large dose, but I was very much under the effects for around 3-4 days)


Feel free to add me on MSN (its in my Bl profile), or PM me about it, and I'l share what I know through my own experience.

BristolRob, sounds like you have read the textbooks, but have never talked to or got to know any high-functioning autistics, we aren't dumb automatons, and we do have feelings, and to say we don't care what others think, is not only incorrect, but downright offensive.

There's the response I was looking for. It seems you know more on the level I do with this subject. I have been told I have OCD too (one person that told me has it) but I won't get into that now. You are right though in that things in movies usually are off and it is something that has a focus of making money or entertaining, not being a documentary. What you said holds true to me a lot of times where I lack emotion and I do think (I actually use the same word to describe it) logically and most times I feel more clearly that most others.

I do read people quite well and my boyfriend likes to introduce me to his friends to show off my social abilities to people but at the same time I am still lacking a lot socially and have trouble speaking. I guess I just read people and know what they want to talk about or how to talk to them and make friends. Really if you think about it for someone such as ourselves it's really not that difficult to do that. Some substances though make me not really able to speak at all and I stay trapped in my own mind or world talking to people in my head or something. A lot of times when I do feel something it is emulation of a person around me or what I think I should be feeling in a given situation but I really don't have it for real, I just emulate it.

So you as well are sensitive to stimulants or ... well me personally I get stomache irritation and I can often times get sick because of whatever it is I ingested. They do seem to digest slow and take forever for the feeling in my stomache to go away once it has passed to the next organ digesting. I drink Redbulls and Monsters and Redlines and Rockstars but if I'm not careful it is so easy for me to get sick.

Either way I never thought myself like the stereotype but perhaps higher-functioning autistic if anything. My boyfriend went to school with someone that was affected by it and I recently worked with someone that had it and worked with lots of lines of coding (we worked at a computer place) so it seems him and I both have a thing for math and logic aka programming. Either way if I don't come off as such, it's likely because I can do a good job logically covering it up or portraying an average human.
 
one other thing, the kids and teachers didn't much care for or pay much attention to me and i always worked by myself or prefered it. i usually did things alone and mom had lots of trouble pushing me to socialise. certain tasks i am very good at and yet some i lack in. i don't make as good a sales person here where i work (i'm there right now) but i am good working alone and manufacturing the leather products we sell. i rarely say hi or interact with customers but i try to nod or pretend to. you should see my math skills and what i can do in my head though. i amused my friends when they watched me take tests or not do the homework and still get all A's.

i'm not sure if i have a doctor i can see for it. i don't have a doctor since i moved to the west coast or ran away from home by myself.
 
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pin said:
Well when you work with these autistic kids, give them a few rolls, tell them its candy, they wont know the difference :D
I know you're probably joking, but I find that fucking out of order... My older brother is severly autistic, and if anyone did that to him I'd smash their head in.
:X
 
Fujicrow- said:
you're nowhere near autistic since you were able to make this post. You're obsessing over it. See a therapist.
And what in the fucking world makes you say that, you think all autistic people are incapable? hell i bet there's some autistic people with more brains than your ignorant self.
sorry about moaning but I hate people that dunno what they're talking about.
 
TrippedOutKid - unfortunately the fact that you become more sociable on pills doesn't really show whether you're autistic or not -- pretty much everyone becomes more sociable on pills :)

Without implying anything about you, a relative lack of social skills doesn't imply autism either. I know plenty of people who have the social skills of an angry gnat who are not autistic... they have just not have much social experience, for whatever reason, whilst they've been growing up. Some are intelligent nerds, others are just dropouts.... (I'm not suggesting that you are either of these).

If you're concerned that you may have some form of autism, you need to be evaluated. There are standardises scales (often in the form of questionaires or objective assessments) that will give you a definitive answer, whereas an atypical response to an empathogenic stimulant won't.
 
There's too many categories of mental disorder in my opinion. I blame it on the DSM and a belief that there's a drug for every condition. "Divide and conquer"

People hear about OCD for example and think, ah! that's what i'm like. The truth is everyone's a bit OCD and everyone's a bit neurotic, people share many neurotic symptoms with others.

People like categories in order to understand why they are as they are, you have to remember categories are arbitrary and not concrete "things".

The original poster may possess some of the traits of autism, none of us can really say unless we know him/her. I do think it would be wrong to assume that diagnosis will solve your problems however..
 
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If you want OCD, talk to me. I use to be as bad as Howard Hughes (washing hands until they bled, burning clothes, taking showers until my skin started blistering etc.). Since I've started doing MDMA however my symptoms have gone away except for the small mental counting and the small cleaning habits that remain.
 
I'm diagnosed with asperger's syndrome and I personally dont like mdma. I think the emotional state it puts me in is fake. to me its this hyper emotional state that has no direction nor ambition and although it makes me feel less in distant from others, I feel it accomplishes nothing. The only drugs i really like are ghb, opiates, and benzos. I hate almost all the others especially pot.
 
At the age of 5 I was diagnosed with AS (Asperger's Syndrome). I only discovered this last year after speaking to someone with the syndrome, then later confronting my mum about it (who later admitted to keeping it from me all these years). Some educated dick told my mum to keep it a secret in the blind hope I would "seamlessly integrate into society". Well let's just say it almost worked but everyday I'd wonder why I was a little different.

Fortunately though I've never been short of empathy and whilst on MDMA this is even more apparent. But FUCK it annoys me why every single tiny decision I make has to be weighed up in my head to determine its logic. This continual process happening in my head wastes a lot of time and often makes simple social interaction a daunting task. Almost everything I do is so pedantic to the point where I'm spending too much time on the details and not enough on the bigger picture.

This is where I believe substances (if used in strict moderation) can actually be beneficial. Ever since I've been able to let go of my inhibitions at various times in social settings, its allowed me to learn a lot about different personalities and all the various social cues that go along with them (the stuff most people pickup naturally). There is no doubt in my mind this has allowed me to be able to communicate more effectively in my day-to-day life which in turn as increased my self-confidence significantly.

To put it simply, Autism sucks and I'd rather not have it. But fortunately the ability for us to learn & adapt is always there and I believe substances like MDMA and Alcohol can at least put you in the "state" where you can learn to interact with people more effectively. If you asked any of my friends they would tell you I've become much more social in the last year than I ever used to be.
 
yes unfortunately you are right that a lot of symptoms are common to more than one mental disorder and so it is quite difficult to not missdiagnose. there are also greedy drug companies that make things up or make up pills that have no real purpose or seem to curb symptoms of whatever they tell you it is for. i'm a little hesitant to go to a doctor but then again i get benefits if diagnosed. i'll refuse to take fake pills though like the ones i mentioned used on us like guinee pigs. i would prefer to be tested free so i almost know people don't have money as motive but i don't know where to go for such things. right now i'm asking about that to a couple people.

my social skills aren't lacking though for the reasons mentioned such as being deprived. i guess the other thing explains indecisiveness to where i have to take too long weighing things out before making a choice sometimes and others if there's not much to look at it goes faster.

as far as OCD i guess it might be possible with me lining up all the furniture until it's aligned perfectly or hoarding some things (mostly on pc) or rediscussing certain negative events over and over time to time. things is if the two are mixed together .... wouldn't they counter some symptoms of each other? i've been somewhat skeptical though on parts of OCD even if.

as you said danno that makes me think once i started to experiment i was more social and i learned how to do it more. it made me social more. i used to just sit and stare or not talk or just wonder around as if people weren't there. i pretty much did my own thing but around other people. i would still be like that now if i didn't try things.
 
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