Aupwe bad headaches/rebound headaches. Any advice will be appreciated! :)

[SexywithEcstacy]

Okay fellas and ladies,
I'm always in a state of pain, without codeine OTC in my system.
The problem is that when I start off with 2 Panafen Plus, I can't stop and end up cold watering them little fuckers until I'm seeing trees of green, red roses too

Not too mention the ill effects of long-term OTC NSAIDS/paracetamol and codeine containing products, I want a way to stop taking the OTC Panafen, while successfully breaking my habit to the shit.

I can get OxyContin 28 x 20 mg tablets, and also Tramal SR *high dose*...

What would you do if you was me?


Thanks gang.


SWE out!

 

[spacejunk]

i'm not sure i understand what you're asking.
you take OTC pain meds, extract the opiates and thus are abusing them.
but you want to stop doing this...right?
well, if you have access to stronger opiates, i would definitely advise you to stay away from them (oxy particularly).
not only will using stronger stuff escalate any addiction issues you already have, but it will take away the option of using codeine either medicinally or recreationally. it will just mean you will have a larger tolerance, and with it, a larger need (assuming, of course that you are either physically dependant or getting close to it).

i used to use codeine but these days i would require a dose so large that it is not worth bothering.
i don't know if this post is helpful, but if i understand you correctly, the only thing i can really suggest is trying to be strong and cutting back your usage.

 

[L3inad]

So you want to ditch a codeine dependence?

Do not under any circumstances be moving up to harder opiates in order to do this, just going to get yourself into more trouble than your in now.

What kind of doses are you using and you might wanna outline your CWE technique for us (assuming your using one?) just to make sure your doing it safely.

What you need to do is taper off it, this requires self control and a genuine desire to get clean. If you dont have either of those, well your fucked
All we can do is advise a taper plan. For example halve your dose every 3rd day or whatever. Tell us what doses your using/frequency and we can give you some idea of what the best taper plan might be - sticking to it is the hard part.

Also, is this pain you speak of from codeine withdrawals or a medical condition? If its a medical condition you kinda wanna get that treated legitimately.

 

[SexywithEcstacy]

i'm not sure i understand what you're asking.
you take OTC pain meds, extract the opiates and thus are abusing them.
but you want to stop doing this...right?
well, if you have access to stronger opiates, i would definitely advise you to stay away from them (oxy particularly).
not only will using stronger stuff escalate any addiction issues you already have, but it will take away the option of using codeine either medicinally or recreationally. it will just mean you will have a larger tolerance, and with it, a larger need (assuming, of course that you are either physically dependant or getting close to it).

i used to use codeine but these days i would require a dose so large that it is not worth bothering.
i don't know if this post is helpful, but if i understand you correctly, the only thing i can really suggest is trying to be strong and cutting back your usage.

Spacejunk, I have consistent rebound headaches from my abuse of Panafen Plus. I was looking for a way to stop taking the Panfen in such high dosages as it fucks with your kidneys and whatever other body parts it attacks (Ibuprofen, speaking of, causes duodenal ulcers). I was looking for a natural way to relieve these awful rebound headaches that I suffer from due to OTC abuse of Ibuprofen and paracetamol with codeine.
One time, I extracted some codeine from the Panafen Plus, via. a cold water extraction method, as learned here from the legendary Sustanon. Here's method is tried and true.
Yeah, you're right. I'm just looking for alternative options to codeine, and rather I would prefer to be a 'normal person' and take 2 Panadols or Nurofen's for a strong headache, but the rebound headaches are something tight. No good has come from my over the counter abuse of codeine. So, spacejunk, I was asking you guys if I should go on OxyContin 20 mg x 2 daily for 14 days, and then stop taking the shit altogether?
Don't get me wrong, I don't want to have an opiate monkey on my back, I'd rather grab the fucker by it's neck and throw it at some Asian visa-students.

So, I know it takes 21 days to break a habit (Opioids/GHB/Benzodizepines/Alcohol/Anti-depressants etc. etc.), but would I be able to break this habit for good by taking OxyContin to alleviate the painful rebound headaches that I always get? That's my question to you, Mr. Space Junk.

So you want to ditch a codeine dependence?

Do not under any circumstances be moving up to harder opiates in order to do this, just going to get yourself into more trouble than your in now.

What kind of doses are you using and you might wanna outline your CWE technique for us (assuming your using one?) just to make sure your doing it safely.

What you need to do is taper off it, this requires self control and a genuine desire to get clean. If you dont have either of those, well your fucked
All we can do is advise a taper plan. For example halve your dose every 3rd day or whatever. Tell us what doses your using/frequency and we can give you some idea of what the best taper plan might be - sticking to it is the hard part.

Also, is this pain you speak of from codeine withdrawals or a medical condition? If its a medical condition you kinda wanna get that treated legitimately.

I wouldn't exactly call it a codeine dependence, rather a medical condition of an unknown nature (Migraines/Brain Tumor/Chronic headaches etc. Who knows?),

Yes sir, the pain is caused by a legitimate medical condition, that of which affects my ability to concentrate due to the pain of it all.

Thing is though, is that I can't be trusted with medications of addiction, like us all here. Hell, if I had a cow paddock next door on a block of land, I'd be constantly searching cow shit for Golden Tops and tripping balls 24/7. That's another part of my problems with medication. I don't take them as directed, with usually bad results.

Dose I'm using:
30 x 200 mg Iburpofren/12.8 Codeine preparations, usually taken at once, without regard to my health.
or
10 x Dolased.

I'm currently using these medications about 4 times a week out of 7, and the three days I don't have any, I suffer from severe rebound headaches. I don't go in to some sort of withdrawal syndrome associated with opiate addiction, but yeah, nonetheless I suffer from fucking bad headaches, which in turn, leads me to the pharmacy, in shame, asking for Panafen. They know that you're an addict, if you ask for Rikodeine/any codiene containing product, without a doctor's prescription. Pharmacist's have to be the worse people around, sitting all day long around temptations to pop a couple of Dexies or some Oxy...but they can't, because they'll ruin their lives, hence whihc is why the majority of them are bitter/reluctant people. A few people from different demographics are nice, but the majority of Queensland's pharmacists are armhole. No offense to any mad cunt pharmacist's out there.

 

[spacejunk]

So, I know it takes 21 days to break a habit (Opioids/GHB/Benzodizepines/Alcohol/Anti-depressants etc. etc.), but would I be able to break this habit for good by taking OxyContin to alleviate the painful rebound headaches that I always get? That's my question to you, Mr. Space Junk.

no.
i don't know where you got that information from (or the attitude) but you can't kick opiates by taking another - stronger - opiate.
if you want sincere advice, i reckon you should cool it. if someone doesn't understand the way you've written something, it doesn't mean they are criticising you.
if you want people to respond well to your posts, you might want to avoid value judgements and sarcasm, it's not really a good look. having said that, i am actually trying to be helpful, so i don't understand what your problem is.

the reason people do cold water extractions on OTC painkillers is because the non-codeine actives are so incredibly toxic if you take too much of them. if you regularly OD on paracetamol, ibuprofen or aspirin, you will run into health problems. if you're downing more than the recommended maximum of these pills regularly without extracting the codeine, then i would say that is your problem. CWE shouldn't be treated as a novelty experiment if you're using these tablets all the time. again though, i could be wrong about how i've interpreted your rant.

i don't know what the specifics of your problems are, but i can honestly tell you that oxycodone is not going to help with this.

I wouldn't exactly call it a codeine dependence, rather a medical condition of an unknown nature (Migraines/Brain Tumor/Chronic headaches etc. Who knows?),

seek medical help.

 

[SexywithEcstacy]

Thanks Spacejunk. Sorry if you misinterpreted my posting abilities to subtly and kindly reject the notion of someone's advice. Sorry again, mate?

DW bro, I'm a long time lurker, so I know all there is about every single drug available in this country of ours.

Hey, what happened to Splatt and Phase_Dancer and Mr. Blonde etc. etc. All the good old fellows who paved the way for this fantastic board the way it is today.

I'm a little disappointed, in myself as well, at the number of addiction issues that come along with drug use/abuse, but I blame a lack of good quality drugs making their way through Customs, deceiving the AFP/ACC, and coming in with bricks of cocaine straight from Bolivia/millions of pure MDMA tablets straight from Poland/Methamphetamine from the Mexican drug cartels.

Australia is an untapped market, hence which is why we get these dickheads who kill each other (Carl Williams and their lot) and the reusltant mini-series of their shit and short lives.

We should have Columbians delivering cocaine to our front doors/Mexicans leaving bricks of meth on our doorsteps, fucking Burmese people giving us raw opium and Eurotrash hooking us up with mad MDMA pills.

WTF happened to the Australian Drug Scene? Is there anyone out there that can answer my question?

Anywho, it's obvious that I'm on something so I best shutup. Love to all. SWE!

 

[8L4YN3]

^lol

 

[footscrazy]

Spacejunk's posts seem spot on to me.

You need to find out the cause of these headaches. It's an odd symptom for opiate withdrawal by itself, but if it is a rebound effect from the codeine, then using another opioid like oxy or tramadol is likely to give you the same problem. If it's from the ibuprofen - why not try a cwe on paracetamol and codeine tablets, and see if there's any difference.

It's also possible these headaches have nothing to do with your use of panafen plus, and instead the codeine and ibu as just masking the pain. Tramadol and oxy will sure enough mask the pain as well, but the headaches will come right back when you stop taking them, too.

So, to reiterate what L3inad said, you need to see a doc to investigate these headaches.

 

[Mr Blonde]

SWE: If I were you I would do my best not to touch the oxycodone or the tramadol. I know that can be a big ask for someone dealing with addiction issues, but really you are better off trying to deal with a codeine dependence then one to oxycodone or tramadol.

I know what you mean about the pain; in the last six months I've started developing joint pain and muscle pain issues and while codeine has been handy to treat them, coming off it the pain does get a lot worse then it really is and of course even though I've been clean of opioids for a couple of months now my mind always tries to rationalize using them again. Ibuprofen helps me manage the pain day to day, but as you noted in your first post does have the risk of side effects. You should also see your doctor about the headaches; he is probably in a good position to help you!

The amount of codeine you are on is not that large right now; I've come off upwards of 2 grams with nothing more then diazepam to help me. It's not fun but it only lasts for a few days, and the WD are far easier to manage then coming off harder opioids.

Don't use tramadol or oxycodone for the rebound headaches or they will just prolong the WD symptoms. There are quite a few different medications that can be used to treat severe headaches or migraines, many of them prescription only though. OTC, I sometimes use Periactin (cyproheptadine) for migraines or of course ibuprofen or (more rarely) paracetamol. You could also use benzodiazepines to ease the WD, depending on what your prior experience with them has been like.

Hey, what happened to Splatt and Phase_Dancer and Mr. Blonde etc. etc. All the good old fellows who paved the way for this fantastic board the way it is today.

Splatt has passed on and P_D has retired from Bl. I assure you that there are many other fantastic BL'ers that are part of our community here though, and who will have advice that should be taken on board.

 

[SexywithEcstacy]

Firstly, thanks Mr. Blonde. I was so tempted yesterday to get some OxyContin, but thought, "Nah, fuck it, knowing myself I'd probably overdose", and I'm on daily dose of benzodiazepines. Thank you, kind sir for the advice. Much appreciated!


Peace out man. Might catcha around Brisbane sometime ay.