AU: Rare hallucinogenic drug PMA kills man

[Mehm]

there is no excuse for cutting mdma with pma. if you do it, grant society a favor and jump off a cliff.

 

[|>R()|)!G/-\|_]

Yeah, unfortunately he didn't really have any way of telling them what press he took

Maybe his mates could speak up or maybe he still had some pills on him. Maybe not though. I do wonder if the article would have put that info out there even if they did know. I get the impression that they wouldn't. If people didn't die from impure/bad drugs, the papers would have one less thing to write about. One headline I would like to see is "Man takes pills, rolls hard, lives happily ever after."

 

[Splatt]

After the 7:30 Report on ABC (the government free to air tv channel here) kind of slamming the New South Wales Police ealier this year for not getting information out on seized known PMA pills and capsules around the time of the Feburary PMA case, I think if they had the info they'd release it.

Here is the video of the 7:30 Report about Annabel Catt It's worth a watch and shows just how flawed waiting for pill police seizure lab results to come back to warn people about PMA pills/capsules is, and that we need the government to allow groups like Enlighten to test pills without being arrested. [LINK FIXED: WMV FILE] Here's the streaming LiveVideo version (plays within browser)

Thread about the known tested PMA pills/caps from early this yearhere

Need more MP's like Sandra Kanck that aren't afraid to do and say things like this on ABC's JTV.

Pill testing will SAVE LIVES!

Edit:link fixed!

 

[Splatt]

There may be small amounts of PMA or PMMA made when making MDA or MDMA if they use certain extracted sassafras oil which could contain low levels of anethole and they do not wholly isolate the safrole somehow, but the impurity made would not be that much, but in large doses, maybe it's enough to cause effects with the MDMA and PMMA or MDA and PMA potentiating each other. This may be especially true if it in in Australia since a native plant here that people have extracted sassafras oil from also contains some anethole.

 

[FractalStructure]

s it pretty common for PMA to be substituted in pills now-a-days, let's say like methamphetamine has? I've read about PMA a little bit and to stear clear of it, but is it more abundant in certain areas of the globe

there have been no incidents of accidental PMA ingestion in my neck of the woods (as far as i know). This isnt really "news" although its sad to hear one more raver hit the floor as a result of substituting ANYTHING for MDMA. i have no problem with MDA as well, but thats all that should be in a roll. Meth is a very common cut from what I've seen and experienced and due to the horrible crash it gives me, i roll either on mda or mdma once every few months, and i MAKE SURE its MDXX

 

[Mal hyde]

PMA is great !

 

[qwe]

as someone who lived through a pma overdose, id have to say there is hallucinations. but alot more puking and cold sweats, which make it kind of hard to look around and see the hallucinations


btw it is a pretty fun drug at very low doses

how does it compare to MDMA?

 

[*=Regulator=*]

Even with Splatt's explanation, it still shocks me that drug synthesisers/pressers are reckless enough to allow PMA to end up on the streets. I'm sure that some of the criminal element involved have different standards to others but it's sad that they would put something out there that is almost guaranteed to kill.

I also find it difficult to believe that someone could have the equipment and knowledge to produce PMA yet still believe it was MDMA.

Maybe I'm just naive...

 

[Zagenth]

From what I've read, PMA is a good drug in the right doses. Granted, it's doses are far smaller than MDMA doses, but I've heard it's a good drug in the right doses. The problem comes from people passing PMA off as MDMA, and those people are dicks. You are almost guarateed a death when passing PMA off as MDMA. The problem with PMA is that it's LD50 is really low, small doses can be great, but people take it like it is MDMA, which requires large amounts. Hell, 10-20mgs of PMA sound fun, but MDMA takes like 120mg for a full blown experience, which is toxic for PMA. Fuckers taking the cheap route really annoy me, stop selling something as MDMA that isn't MDMA. Yet, another reason why legalizing MDMA would seriously reduce any deaths.

 

[got beans?]

splatt kicks knowledge for real

 

[Kalash]

So legalize MDMA already! Geez, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to recognize that people are going to take E regardless of your "strong advice". So legalize it and people can be sure they are not taking poison.

EXACTLY!!!


As for PMA - the only time I've heard of it coming up was back in the early 80's - being responsible for the "ECSTASY DEATHS!" leading to its illegalization.

I'm sure it pops up from time to time.

I don't know anything about it...
But take a closer look at this article;

Don't take drugs because you don't know what you're getting. It's dangerous.
MDMA is FINE, but you could be getting this PMA STUFF!!!!


I think that's brilliant.

"The drug WAR is killing people. Please stop taking drugs because we feel bad about it "

Of course...
What are a few deaths when the profit is in the billions/trillions every year?

 

[tadfish]

I think PMA effects people differently. I remember some of my mates got really fucked up over heated smash off chops. while i just felt a hot drunk sensation.
you feel hot and strange inside

 

[Junglistvibe]

A quick question for anyone in the know..

Was it just PMA? if it was, why aren't there lots more people who have died from this batch of pills and or being hospitalised?

Because 2 PMA pills most likely won't kill someone that would otherwise take 2 ecstasy pills.

I also think the PMA pills being produced is limited to very small groups, as the people producing it would most likely get killed by the people they sell it to.

 

[tadfish]

I think PMA effects people differently. I remember some of my mates got really fucked up over heated smash off chops. while i just felt a hot drunk sensation.
you feel hot and strange inside
another problem with PMA from memory it takes longer to come on and people might take another pill and then both hit and they are fucked.
i also believe that people that make PMA pills are not trying to kill people and would most likely dose the pills so one won't kill maybe not even 2 i think the problem comes with people on other drugs and with low tolerances etc.
I have also come to believe that PMA might be some sort of scare campaign to stop or scare people away from E's I have seen no proof it was in any pill that has killed someone. hmmm??

 

[planckunit]

I'm pretty sure that if someone accidently buys anethole instead of safrole (they smell kind of similar), PMA could be produced with exactly the same procedure that is used for preparing MDA, and similarly for PMMA and MDMA. I even think Shulgin said it was a possible explanation ...

Edit:I found it
"PMA has been seen as an "Ecstasy" substitute, and I wonder if the uninformed use of Anise Oil as a presumed Safrole source, could have been the origin of PMA in the Ecstasy rave scene."

http://www.cognitiveliberty.org/shulgin/adsarchive/safrole.htm