Mental Health Asperger's or OCD???

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I know the purpose of this section isn't to diagnose people, but I would appreciate some advice on the differences of symptoms of Asperger's (which is now just considered part of the autism spectrum), and OCD, especially from anyone here that actually has been diagnosed with Asperger's. Quite a while ago I had psychological testing for a few reasons and they came to the conclusion that I had major depression, GAD, possible bipolar II, and possible Asperger's. I can't remember if that was all, they may have also put down OCD but I can't remember. At the time I didn't know really anything about Asperger's or autism and pretty much blew that off although I thought the other diagnoses were accurate.

Since then and not all that long ago I've wondered whether I actually did have mild Asperger's in part because of a certain family member telling me that I did and using it against me (which is nice), but also because of some things I've noticed in myself. As of right now I'm pretty sure the symptoms are actually OCD related, but I don't know for sure which is why I thought someone might be able to help.
 
It's my understanding of Aspergers and the understanding of the four people I know with Aspergers, that it is a lack of being able to read in on social ques such as facial expressions, tone of voice, etc..... I could be completely wrong, and please correct me if I am, but if not, do you experience things similar to this? I'm diagnosed with pretty severe OCD, and I have not seemed to experience things such as this. In fact, I'm fairly well off when it comes to picking up on social ques, but it all depends on the person. My OCD is Obsessive Compulsive thoughts, that usually do not pertain to physical things around me, but there are certain things like old door knockers that will send me straight into a panic attack if I look at them for too long. I'm also extremely disturbed by certain rooms that are built with odd angles, like 45 degree corners, etc... Occasionally I will look at a room and feel that absolutely everything about it is completely disoriented and wrong, and I'll have to rearrange the entire room. I don't have most of these issues now that I've been on Adderall, but before taking it, it was a fairly dysfunctional. More so because of the obsessive terrifying thoughts that would send me spiraling into an abyss of fear.

Does any of this sound somewhat familiar?
 
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Shit I had a response typed out but lost it due to what I think is a virus on this computer. Thanks for the post tho, I'll try to respond back either later tonight or tomorrow.
 
It's my understanding of Aspergers and the understanding of the four people I know with Aspergers, that it is a lack of being able to read in on social ques such as facial expressions, tone of voice, etc..... I could be completely wrong, and please correct me if I am, but if not, do you experience things similar to this? I'm diagnosed with pretty severe OCD, and I have not seemed to experience things such as this. In fact, I'm fairly well off when it comes to picking up on social ques, but it all depends on the person.

I'm not sure... I think I'm usually ok at facial cues and especially voice intonation. Like for instance when someone says they're doing ok but you can tell that they're not by the tone of their voice. One weird thing I do experience although not that often is reading split second facial expressions like say when someone is talking as being threatening when it's not meant to be, but I think that's something different although I don't know for sure.

My OCD is Obsessive Compulsive thoughts, that usually do not pertain to physical things around me, but there are certain things like old door knockers that will send me straight into a panic attack if I look at them for too long. I'm also extremely disturbed by certain rooms that are built with odd angles, like 45 degree corners, etc... Occasionally I will look at a room and feel that absolutely everything about it is completely disoriented and wrong, and I'll have to rearrange the entire room. I don't have most of these issues now that I've been on Adderall, but before taking it, it was a fairly dysfunctional. More so because of the obsessive terrifying thoughts that would send me spiraling into an abyss of fear.

As far as my OCD like symptoms I would have to say they sound a bit different than yours. Rooms don't really bother me although I may prefer one layout over another but I think that is based more on ergonomics. Either way, here's a list off the top of my head of things I experience...

*Turning the knob on the washer and dryer 3 times sometimes more than once. Strangely I don't do this with door handles.

*Flattening the cat litter after cleaning the cat box out meticulously. Seriously, think cat box rock gardening.

*Sometimes paying attention to how many times I step on a crack on a sidewalk and making sure its more or less the same times on each foot.

*Tapping my fingernails together in sequences that are 3 times in 4 sequences or 4 times in 4 sequences.

*Scratching a legitimate itch on one side of say my arm, and then the other arm even tho it doesn't itch.

It seems like most of my things have to do with evenness... I guess that's sort what OCD is at least partly. I've also had intrusive thoughts pop into my head from seemingly no where like how I could do physical harm to some innocent person say standing in line at the grocery store or something like that although I of course would never do such a thing or would want to. Those only last about a second, and then I'm wondering where the hell that thought came from. I haven't had that for a while but the other things I have.
 
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No worries. Will be glad to hear your response.

Yeah, sorry I didn't respond sooner but I kept putting it off because I wanted to give a somewhat thorough response and try to remember what I had typed that I lost. I think I did based on the novel I wrote. lol
 
I'm not sure... I think I'm usually ok at facial cues and especially voice intonation. Like for instance when someone says they're doing ok but you can tell that they're not by the tone of their voice. One weird thing I do experience although not that often is reading split second facial expressions like say when someone is talking as being threatening when it's not meant to be, but I think that's something different although I don't know for sure.



As far as my OCD like symptoms I would have to say they sound a bit different than yours. Rooms don't really bother me although I may prefer one layout over another but I think that is based more on ergonomics. Either way, here's a list off the top of my head of things I experience...

*Turning the knob on the washer and dryer 3 times sometimes more than once. Strangely I don't do this with door handles.

*Flattening the cat litter after cleaning the cat box out meticulously. Seriously, think cat box rock gardening.

*Sometimes paying attention to how many times I step on a crack on a sidewalk and making sure its more or less the same times on each foot.

*Tapping my fingernails together in sequences that are 3 times in 4 sequences or 4 times in 4 sequences.

*Scratching a legitimate itch on one side of say my arm, and then the other arm even tho it doesn't itch.

It seems like most of my things have to do with evenness... I guess that's sort what OCD is at least partly. I've also had intrusive thoughts pop into my head from seemingly no where like how I could do physical harm to some innocent person say standing in line at the grocery store or something like that although I of course would never do such a thing or would want to. Those only last about a second, and then I'm wondering where the hell that thought came from. I haven't had that for a while but the other things I have.

A lot of that actually sounds very familiar. I cannot use a desk unless everything is evenly distributed on it, I can't take more than one step on a side walk, and if I don't step on the cracks of a sidewalk when I first start to walk on it, I can't step on a crack at all, and vice versa. Scratching an itch on my body leads to me scratching every limb very thoroughly until it starts to hurt, regardless of whether I have an itch any where else. Or, at least this was the case before I started taking Adderall.

One thing that is also very familiar is feeling like I am going to do something violent, mainly kill, to people or animals next to me. It wasn't so much that I felt like I had to, it was that I felt like I was going to and there was nothing I could do about it. I would obsess over the image of me doing harm to them, and with each thought I felt like I was getting closer to doing it even though I wanted so badly not to. And briefly, for maybe half a second, after experiencing one of the thoughts I would think that I actually did it. I never actually did anything, but it made me feel absolutely horrible. I felt guilty, disgusting, and I was terrified that eventually I would actually do something to someone. It was absolutely horrible. Whether it is the same problem I don't know, as you have said you feel like you have to, and I felt like I was going to and it was out of my control.

IMO which is not a professional one, but one that understands OCD all too well, it does sound more like OCD than Aspergers. Everyone that I have known with Aspergers would not be capable of differentiating between someones actual emotion based on their tone of voice and facial expressions, but obviously, Autism just like every other mental disorder is on a continuum, and I'm sure there are more severe and less severe forms of Aspergers, just as Aspergers is a less severe form of Autism. Obviously, this is no way a diagnosis and the only true way to get one would be to go to a mental health professional, but even that can be a complete waste of time, so it is necessary to find one who really knows that they're doing.

My father is a PhD in psychology, and his estimate is that one in every five hundred therapists should be allowed to work as a therapist, and every one and a thousand psychiatrists should be allowed to go near a patient. Haha. He's worked in several institutions, and has worked as a therapist in several different places and eventually he dropped everything to pursue a career as a consultant because of how much he hated every place he worked as a therapist, and how much he hated the therapeutic model. At this point, he's even stopped acknowledging that he was ever a therapist because he's ashamed to say so. Of course, he said there are good therapists, and there are bad therapists, but the bad ones outweigh the good ones by a long shot. This is also just his opinion, but given the list of therapists and psychiatrists I have been to; I tend to agree with him. I'm just saying to make sure that the therapist and/or psychiatrists you see isn't a greedy douche bag.

Sorry for the long and unnecessary tangent.

Best of luck to you.
 
No not at all... Nothing unnecessary about sharing your story and how it relates. And when you said "it does not sound more like OCD than Aspergers" I'm guessing you meant it does? Oh and one other thing about the intrusive thoughts... It was more like not how I had to do it and there wasn't anything I could do to stop myself, but just how easy it would be. But I guess it was just a slightly lesser version of what you've experienced. I seemed to have read something quite a while ago that was saying how the intrusive thoughts from OCD was basically based on anxiety unlike impulsive thoughts say compared to a psychopath. I guess it makes sense since OCD is basically an anxiety disorder.
 
Sorry about the grammatical error on my part. Yes, I meant that it does sound more like OCD to me. I would agree that the intrusive thoughts are more anxiety based than they are impulsive, although they can become impulsive but to a less extreme extent. I think that a lot of the anxiety produced by the thoughts and feelings associated with the thoughts, and specifically the persistence of the thoughts allow for more cognition to be involved when it comes to the thoughts themselves. It seems to work in somewhat of a loop, as the thoughts are commonly created by anxiety, and then produce more anxiety, causing one to obsess over the thoughts even more. In addition, it makes it harder to focus on other things and distract yourself. If they disturb you to the point of dysfunction, you might try "meditating" per say on the feelings and thoughts and allowing them to come, while recognizing that no harm will come from not fulfilling what feels like a "need", or simply the disturbing thoughts themselves. This has helped me a lot. It's not so much trying to control the thoughts themselves, as I have found that it's damn near impossible to do, but to let them come and go as they want and trying to detach yourself from the emotions that come with them. Such as the anxiety, fear, disturbance, or sadness, whatever it is that you feel.
 
Yeah that makes sense... I've mostly thought my symptoms were related to OCD and not Asperger's, not that there's anything wrong with having Asperger's or any other mental illness. But once I learned about it I just didn't agree with the diagnosis. Of course a certain family member chose to run with it and use it against me making me second guess myself just because a psychologist said I showed some Asperger's like symptoms. Well those symptoms could probably also fit a multitude of other mental illnesses so I pretty much agree with your sentiments on psychiatry lol. I think a lot of times it creates more problems than it fixes. Anyways good discussion!
 
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