Harm Reduction Aspergers and new to drugs

[dirtyblond1991]

*already posted this in introductions. Reposting here for more traffic*

Hello,
I'm a 31 year old guy who, a few months ago, went from being a life long believer in the right-wing view of drugs. Was in SADD (Students against destructive deciond) from 9th-12th grade (ages 15-18).

I got curious about hard drugs 6 months months ago. Tried fighting the curiosity for a long while then a few months ago I did T with a regular hookup (I'm gay) for 6 hours. But didn't have any cravings or withdraws after. Did it again a month later and twice this week. No withdraws.

I've also done coke and G too.

I know those on the autism spectrum who were full-on pulp fiction for years while they were constantly doing coke and meth. But once they stopped -- no withdraws. Any studies, or anecdotes here, that can reflect what I said in this paragraph?

I like coke and T bc it feels like I'm on ADHD meds again, which benefited me as they kept me focused, but without the wothdraws. Hence why I stopped taking them (been on all of them, I'm sure lol).

I have also been reading a great deal of Dr Carl Hart's work and was astounded by his conclusions and his criticisms of past studies.

As a rule, I need to be mindful when I do this and to have to already be in a good state of mind. I've always been the perpetual optimist, so that isn't hard.

Any harm reduction tips?

 

[Bare_head]

Yes.

Buy a drug testing kit

Always make sure you dont mix g with alcohol/other depressants.

Get to know dosages and abide to them.

Have fun and use in moderation.

Look at funner drugs like 2c-x or lsd than coke and meth imo. They are totally different but they are so much more complex/fun than neurotypicals drugs of choice (coke and speed)

Stay safe

 

[Snafu in the Void]

I have asperger's and have horrible withdrawals, comedowns, and drugs ruined my life.

There is no correlation to less negative outcomes from drug use. If anything, autism shares 30% comorbidity with psychosis, and is a commonality many people aren't aware of.

Just don't assume that because you haven't encountered any bad experiences yet, that they won't happen or you're somehow immune to them. Always be skeptical about drug use anecdotes from other people.

As stated above, there are a lot more interesting drugs than coke and meth. I was deeply fascinated with psychedelics for a long time.

 

[UltraSilence]

I am autistic and have forever had unusual responses to drugs, and haven't experienced the typical withdrawals that people associate with long term use of drugs...even opiates, I've used them daily for months on end and then stopped without any physical withdrawals, which was bizarre to me.

I think it's important to note that that doesn't mean drugs don't have negative affects though. Autistic people often have sensory differences - people being hyper sensitive is talked about a lot, but being the opposite of that isn't discussed as often. People with hypo sensitivity can sometimes not pick up on physical/mental symptoms, but just because they can't feel it doesn't mean it's not happening, and in a way can be even more dangerous, as by the time you can feel it, it's severe. Be safe and don't get over cocky about your drug use.

 

[Gaz_hmmmm]

*already posted this in introductions. Reposting here for more traffic*

Hello,
I'm a 31 year old guy who, a few months ago, went from being a life long believer in the right-wing view of drugs. Was in SADD (Students against destructive deciond) from 9th-12th grade (ages 15-18).

I got curious about hard drugs 6 months months ago. Tried fighting the curiosity for a long while then a few months ago I did T with a regular hookup (I'm gay) for 6 hours. But didn't have any cravings or withdraws after. Did it again a month later and twice this week. No withdraws.

I've also done coke and G too.

I know those on the autism spectrum who were full-on pulp fiction for years while they were constantly doing coke and meth. But once they stopped -- no withdraws. Any studies, or anecdotes here, that can reflect what I said in this paragraph?

I like coke and T bc it feels like I'm on ADHD meds again, which benefited me as they kept me focused, but without the wothdraws. Hence why I stopped taking them (been on all of them, I'm sure lol).

I have also been reading a great deal of Dr Carl Hart's work and was astounded by his conclusions and his criticisms of past studies.

As a rule, I need to be mindful when I do this and to have to already be in a good state of mind. I've always been the perpetual optimist, so that isn't hard.

Any harm reduction tips?

What made you curious about ‘hard drugs’ six months ago?

What drug is T?
All I can think of tramadol, tepentadol or possibly testosterone but AAS’s aren’t recreational.

What do you mean by ‘full-on pulp fiction for years’?

If you going to chem sex parties or just doing that kinda stuff with a partner try not to do coke or an amphetamine every time you do it, otherwise it’ll be a habit that’ll be very hard to break.
Those stims will also eventually lead to erectile dysfunction, meaning you’ll want to add sildenafil (Viagra), tadalafil (Cialis) or vardenafil (Levitra) to the list of stuff you’re taking but it’s obviously dangerous cause they’d be telling your heart to do opposite things.
I find tadalafil (Cialis) to not make my heart pound like sildenafil (Viagra) does and I do know it works on slightly different receptors.
Not saying it’s safer though.

GHB/GBL would be healthier long-term as long as you know your dose and aren’t using everyday, as the withdrawals are meant to be hell!
Thankfully I’ve never experienced them and don’t plan on it.

 

[dirtyblond1991]

I have asperger's and have horrible withdrawals, comedowns, and drugs ruined my life.

There is no correlation to less negative outcomes from drug use. If anything, autism shares 30% comorbidity with psychosis, and is a commonality many people aren't aware of.

Just don't assume that because you haven't encountered any bad experiences yet, that they won't happen or you're somehow immune to them. Always be skeptical about drug use anecdotes from other people.

As stated above, there are a lot more interesting drugs than coke and meth. I was deeply fascinated with psychedelics for a long time.

I am autistic and have forever had unusual responses to drugs, and haven't experienced the typical withdrawals that people associate with long term use of drugs...even opiates, I've used them daily for months on end and then stopped without any physical withdrawals, which was bizarre to me.

I think it's important to note that that doesn't mean drugs don't have negative affects though. Autistic people often have sensory differences - people being hyper sensitive is talked about a lot, but being the opposite of that isn't discussed as often. People with hypo sensitivity can sometimes not pick up on physical/mental symptoms, but just because they can't feel it doesn't mean it's not happening, and in a way can be even more dangerous, as by the time you can feel it, it's severe. Be safe and don't get over cocky about your drug use.

What made you curious about ‘hard drugs’ six months ago?

What drug is T?
All I can think of tramadol, tepentadol or possibly testosterone but AAS’s aren’t recreational.

What do you mean by ‘full-on pulp fiction for years’?

If you going to chem sex parties or just doing that kinda stuff with a partner try not to do coke or an amphetamine every time you do it, otherwise it’ll be a habit that’ll be very hard to break.
Those stims will also eventually lead to erectile dysfunction, meaning you’ll want to add sildenafil (Viagra), tadalafil (Cialis) or vardenafil (Levitra) to the list of stuff you’re taking but it’s obviously dangerous cause they’d be telling your heart to do opposite things.
I find tadalafil (Cialis) to not make my heart pound like sildenafil (Viagra) does and I do know it works on slightly different receptors.
Not saying it’s safer though.

GHB/GBL would be healthier long-term as long as you know your dose and aren’t using everyday, as the withdrawals are meant to be hell!
Thankfully I’ve never experienced them and don’t plan on it.

To clarify what I meant by me being the perpetual optimist, I mean I'm not seeking substances to seek happiness or ease stress/anxiety.

Also, I'm strangely cautious and skeptical. I did read quite a bit here, and other places, and heard stories from close people in my life about moderation with drugs.

What led me to this was simple (in a way). A set of realizations released my drug-phobia.

1) learning why they were banned over a century ago.
Using the artical retrival database at my university library, I retrived countless articles on support of criminalizing coke, opiom, pot, and hemp. All of it claimed it made the race of human associated with a drug in question (eg, blacks and coke) into oversexed and amoral savages.

2. Learning about things my (USA) government did which caused me to distrust my government.
Examples:
MKUltra, Tuskagee experiments, the involvement coke had with Iran-Contra (while the wife was telling everyone to "just say no" to coke).
Our involvement in the Iranian revolution.

3. Studying too much Nietchze.

4. I finally asked myself: how the hell could something that makes a person feel so damn great be leathal?

I then got curious on what it would feel like. Wasn't trying to alter, just experiment. I'll say this, in the back of my mind, I was hoping it would enhance my oddly posotive outlook on the world, and my belief that humanity is basically good, and enhance my creativity -- I write (terrible speller and grammarian but a good writer lol ).

T, the 1st thing I tried, basically made me mellow. Literally, it was just as I've been telling people. It had all the good aspects of ADHD meds but without the side-effects. Some euphoria, but not a lot.


I've been practicing metaphysics and stuff like that for 5 years. I can trigger the feeling of an epiphany at a moment's notice (which is why I'm always too damn happy and optimistic). Frankly, the high I get from that, and from accomplishing any goal I set, is much better than the euphoria from the T.

Coke was different. I gained a sense off empathy that I never had before. I did it with my husband. I finally realized, and came to accept, that many of our issues are MY fault. I finally realized that he was bitter as I'm constantly trying to parts about him, his personality, certain mannerisms, that weren't wrong --- just odd. And I realized I was being my parents.

They overcriticized everything I did -- down to the way I put on my pants. I was my parents toy dolly, basically. They were constantly trying to mold me into a younger version of them two.

And me realising that really helped grow our relatiomship. After the come down, and even now 2 weeks later, his idiosyncrasies know longer bother me. Rather, I find then cute.


Overall I'm not too wild about the T. I do like coke

Mdma and LSD are next

 

[meeer]

Its great you can have such a mild reaction to the drugs and during the comedown stage, I tend to have the same experience however just remember not to look at these things through the lenses everyone's told you about them or assume you know what to expect and so fourth. You will have your own experience with these drugs but withdrawals and terrible comedowns aren't always going to happen everyone does react differently, also it can take extended use to get these affects, also addiction is a tricky bitch, if you really think about it the first time you ever think that was cool, fun and maybe worth doing again is that not the start of the demon that can become addiction, just be careful buddy.

Most importantly when first getting into drugs most people bodies tend to take it better at first in my experience come down wise and all, but they will certainly catch up with you there is merit to what everyone says about these drugs its just through their experience usually and that's never going to be the same for each person.

Also like Gaz said above do you mean Tapentadol or Tramadol or?

If I could offer a bit of advice and you are really interested in substances try some psychedelics, Voids right they're far more fascinating and fun!

 

[meeer]

To clarify what I meant by me being the perpetual optimist, I mean I'm not seeking substances to seek happiness or ease stress/anxiety.

Also, I'm strangely cautious and skeptical. I did read quite a bit here, and other places, and heard stories from close people in my life about moderation with drugs.

What led me to this was simple (in a way). A set of realizations released my drug-phobia.

1) learning why they were banned over a century ago.
Using the artical retrival database at my university library, I retrived countless articles on support of criminalizing coke, opiom, pot, and hemp. All of it claimed it made the race of human associated with a drug in question (eg, blacks and coke) into oversexed and amoral savages.

2. Learning about things my (USA) government did which caused me to distrust my government.
Examples:
MKUltra, Tuskagee experiments, the involvement coke had with Iran-Contra (while the wife was telling everyone to "just say no" to coke).
Our involvement in the Iranian revolution.

3. Studying too much Nietchze.

4. I finally asked myself: how the hell could something that makes a person feel so damn great be leathal?

I then got curious on what it would feel like. Wasn't trying to alter, just experiment. I'll say this, in the back of my mind, I was hoping it would enhance my oddly posotive outlook on the world, and my belief that humanity is basically good, and enhance my creativity -- I write (terrible speller and grammarian but a good writer lol ).

T, the 1st thing I tried, basically made me mellow. Literally, it was just as I've been telling people. It had all the good aspects of ADHD meds but without the side-effects. Some euphoria, but not a lot.


I've been practicing metaphysics and stuff like that for 5 years. I can trigger the feeling of an epiphany at a moment's notice (which is why I'm always too damn happy and optimistic). Frankly, the high I get from that, and from accomplishing any goal I set, is much better than the euphoria from the T.

Coke was different. I gained a sense off empathy that I never had before. I did it with my husband. I finally realized, and came to accept, that many of our issues are MY fault. I finally realized that he was bitter as I'm constantly trying to parts about him, his personality, certain mannerisms, that weren't wrong --- just odd. And I realized I was being my parents.

They overcriticized everything I did -- down to the way I put on my pants. I was my parents toy dolly, basically. They were constantly trying to mold me into a younger version of them two.

And me realising that really helped grow our relatiomship. After the come down, and even now 2 weeks later, his idiosyncrasies know longer bother me. Rather, I find then cute.


Overall I'm not too wild about the T. I do like coke

Mdma and LSD are next

Can you elaborate on what T is I am curious.

Otherwise keep doing what makes you happy brother and granted your intentions don't seem terrible just understand any person it seems in life from any walk of life can take drugs the wrong way and prioritise the affects of them over other things far more important to your sustainability and sadly this is fact for so many people otherwise in life have it together and seem unstoppable.

And sadly the more you do drugs and the more your around those who do you'll find many reasons why they're banned, sadly the issue in the world appears to be we ban the things that bring the symptoms of the issue not the core its self. We never tackle addiction we only tackle the things we get TOO addicted to. Society looks for something to blame and demonise as a quick fix solution to a deep seeded issue.

As for MDMA and LSD imo great options MDMA in the right setting can do some wonders and LSD is a personal favourite, as suggested above get a drug testing kit and KNOW what your doing know the experience your having is authentically the substance you believe it is otherwise you may think you have a grip on a drug then truly get introduced. Good luck!

 

[dirtyblond1991]

Can you elaborate on what T is I am curious.

Otherwise keep doing what makes you happy brother and granted your intentions don't seem terrible just understand any person it seems in life from any walk of life can take drugs the wrong way and prioritise the affects of them over other things far more important to your sustainability and sadly this is fact for so many people otherwise in life have it together and seem unstoppable.

And sadly the more you do drugs and the more your around those who do you'll find many reasons why they're banned, sadly the issue in the world appears to be we ban the things that bring the symptoms of the issue not the core its self. We never tackle addiction we only tackle the things we get TOO addicted to. Society looks for something to blame and demonise as a quick fix solution to a deep seeded issue.

As for MDMA and LSD imo great options MDMA in the right setting can do some wonders and LSD is a personal favourite, as suggested above get a drug testing kit and KNOW what your doing know the experience your having is authentically the substance you believe it is otherwise you may think you have a grip on a drug then truly get introduced. Good luck!

T is Crystal Meth

 

[meeer]

T is Crystal Meth

Ohh true, I mean I had part in pushing that in my earlier life and have done it, can't say iv ever heard someone call it that but cool.

 

[dirtyblond1991]

I've been doing meth every 2-3 days for the past month
This is my 6th day of not doing it. Why am I not feeling any withdraws/cravings? I thought that was supposed to happen. Or does it take a while? I'm basically chose to break from it fora while but was prepared for the worst.

My ROA is smoking btw

 

[SpiralusSancti]

With most stimulants WDs are psychological as so are cravings. But unrelated to that doing meth every often still isn’t good for your brain and body.

No one can guess for how long you could continue to do what you do without serious problems. And don’t forger that even if you do something every 2 – 3 days and don’t get WDs on days you don’t do it if you keep doing so, with just about any drug with time you’ll feel WDs and cravings if you try to stop, even if it never became daily habit.

 

[SpiralusSancti]

And thing you previously mentioned, simply stopping drugs and moving away from same does happen, it’s a rare thing but it happens, it’s usually connected to some big changes in personal life or even some big social change/event strongly influencing individual. You can think of it as, what a lot more people experienced, getting sober in a moment when occasion strongly requires person to be focused and present. Second thing I mentioned isn’t rare at all but what you speak of is, very rare and truly exception and not a norm. And a lot of those people who claim to stopped years long habit without any problem are usually bullshitting and bullshitting themselves first as many of those very soon get back to their habit. Those who end up circling between use of lot of drugs and sobriety often end up having shorter and shorter sober times and eventually end up needing professional help, and that is almost a norm.

 

[dirtyblond1991]

And thing you previously mentioned, simply stopping drugs and moving away from same does happen, it’s a rare thing but it happens, it’s usually connected to some big changes in personal life or even some big social change/event strongly influencing individual. You can think of it as, what a lot more people experienced, getting sober in a moment when occasion strongly requires person to be focused and present. Second thing I mentioned isn’t rare at all but what you speak of is, very rare and truly exception and not a norm. And a lot of those people who claim to stopped years long habit without any problem are usually bullshitting and bullshitting themselves first as many of those very soon get back to their habit. Those who end up circling between use of lot of drugs and sobriety often end up having shorter and shorter sober times and eventually end up needing professional help, and that is almost a norm.

Do you think it's possible to limit it to, say, twice a month?
For me I'm not doing it as an escape. Just to enhance pleasure during sex tbh

 

[Snafu in the Void]

For me I'm not doing it as an escape. Just to enhance pleasure during sex tbh

Well, that is a form of escapism. Right?

And be careful, because meth sex/masturbation becomes extremely addictive and can permanently damage your sex life/libido. If you make a habit of it, sex never feels the same again unless you're high.

 

[SpiralusSancti]

Do you think it's possible to limit it to, say, twice a month?
For me I'm not doing it as an escape. Just to enhance pleasure during sex tbh

Yes. I believe if you really stick to doing meth 2 times a month and are not prone to certain issues can continue to be rewarding experience without much risk. If you keep yourself healthy and don’t do insane amounts that 2 times a month it can even be considered beneficial, pretty harmless fun for limited group of people. Are there safer options, sure. Do many people can manage to keep use of drug strong as meth on that level, no, but it’s not impossible. Is taking meth 2 times a month without any risks, no, but used properly it might be less risky than many things viewed as harmless. To be specific, is binge drinking every weekend more dangerous or is using meth 2 times a month more dangerous? I don’t know answer to that but I’m pretty sure if neither is escalated there can’t be a huge difference.
As long as you listen to your body and consider your mental state and not blindly decide X times a month/year is ok so you pause if you start feeling bad in any way no matter how spare and responsible use is, you should be just fine. When I say to consider your mental state I think of how if you use it 2 times a month but start thinking that is the only time you have a really good time and similar examples.