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HFCS is pure hype. Every try-hard will go on about how "damaging" it is. If it's so horrible, then explain how it differs it from normal sucrose. except for maybe the slight change in the ratio of glucose to fructose.

If you don't want diabetes, consume less sugar... Or get better genes.

Cevain said:
One other thing, mostly overlooked and very abundant in food is the chemical dihydrogen monoxide. It poses quite the threat. You can read more about it here: http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html.
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I ordered a drink from McDonalds and they put little solid crystals of dihydrogen monoxide in there. Pissed me off.
 
Renz Envy said:
HFCS is pure hype. Every try-hard will go on about how "damaging" it is. If it's so horrible, then explain how it differs it from normal sucrose. except for maybe the slight change in the ratio of glucose to fructose.

If you don't want diabetes, consume less sugar... Or get better genes.
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My biggest issue with HFCS is how rampant it is. It's in everything. How can you eat less of something when it's in everything you eat? Unless you eat less food in general--But that's not going to happen for the average American any time soon.
 
^^only in packaged foods. The only time I ever even consider eating it is when I'm in a restaurant with Heinz ketchup. I almost drank a mountain dew the other day cause it was free and I kind of wanted a soda. Then I read the ingredients and was like, "lol wtf uhh no" :D
 
Mehm said:
^^only in packaged foods. The only time I ever even consider eating it is when I'm in a restaurant with Heinz ketchup. I almost drank a mountain dew the other day cause it was free and I kind of wanted a soda. Then I read the ingredients and was like, "lol wtf uhh no" :D
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Oh man, I was in Canada the other weekend, and read the ingredients on the condiments on the table--One was a product of the US and had HFCS (no surprise), the other two were products of Canada and the Heinz ketchup had "glucose-fructose", so I was like "well, I'll use it." It was SO sweet, I added wayyyy more ketchup than normal to my fries. Also got a stomach ache, though that's probably to do with the amount I ate. :P Anyways, I got home and decided to look up if HFCS is even in Canadian foods... Turns out "glucose-fructose" is what they call HFCS.

I felt so deceived.
 
You are most probably right on the fact that HFCS is bad purely because it is in everything and people are consuming sugar without knowing it. That is a problem.

But there are also other concerns with HFCS such as environmental concerns.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/06/AR2008030603294.html

Mercury has also been found in HFCS.

http://www.ehjournal.net/content/8/1/2

Basically - best thing really is to just eat whole foods and cook your own food. Stop eating so much packaged foods.
 
So what is the real deal with Cyanocobalamin or the synthetic B12 added to many foods, especially cereal and soy milk? What do you guys think, do you consume it or not and why?
 
So how are you supposed to avoid all of these? I don't eat lots of processed foods or artificial sweeteners or GMOs but HFCS is in practically everything!
 
PriestTheyCalledHim said:
I don't eat lots of processed foods or artificial sweeteners or GMOs
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PriestTheyCalledHim said:
but HFCS is in practically everything!
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If you're not eating processed foods, you will bypass HFCS. That's all there is to it. Or if you're being careful and making sure to read what you're eating before putting it into your body, you'll be fine.

Artificial sweeteners are another story, as is GMO. However, HFCS is probably GM.
 
@addictivepersona: No no, benzoate + benzoate = benzoate. That's it. The potassium and sodium are just spectator ions, they do nothing. If they reacted with themselves, they wouldn't be a stable species.

Regarding the 'people eat a lot of it, so trace amounts become non-trivial': yup, that's true. But, I'd imagine that if you're ingesting toxic amounts of benzoate from processed foods, the huge dose of salt, sugar, highly processed starches, hydrolyzed protein and bad fats are probably far bigger concerns. The simple solution, of course, is to a) eat as little processed food as possible (which can be tough, as most condiments have such things in them) and b) don't eat so much, period.

Not directed at you btw. Just at the hypothetical person that you suggested was eating so much processed food that they were getting toxic doses of benzoate :)

Oh, and Simply_Live: possibly, but not necessarily. It just comes from corn; GM might give better yield or what not, but you can get organic HFCS.
 
Dave said:
@addictivepersona: No no, benzoate + benzoate = benzoate. That's it. The potassium and sodium are just spectator ions, they do nothing. If they reacted with themselves, they wouldn't be a stable species.
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I barely passed chemistry. Thanks for clearing this up. :)

Dave said:
Regarding the 'people eat a lot of it, so trace amounts become non-trivial': yup, that's true. But, I'd imagine that if you're ingesting toxic amounts of benzoate from processed foods, the huge dose of salt, sugar, highly processed starches, hydrolyzed protein and bad fats are probably far bigger concerns. The simple solution, of course, is to a) eat as little processed food as possible (which can be tough, as most condiments have such things in them) and b) don't eat so much, period.
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Yeah, people... just eat way too much shit. My professor, who's an RD, drinks soda like it's going out of style. I don't understand it. I mean, I know all RDs aren't raw food vegans, but soda? Come on.

Dave said:
Oh, and Simply_Live: possibly, but not necessarily. It just comes from corn; GM might give better yield or what not, but you can get organic HFCS.
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...Going to have to check what few processed foods from the organic section I do get a little more closely.

I know I'm still feeling betrayed by eating a ketchup (Heins I think it was) in Canada that had "glucose-fructose" in it, only to find out that that is HFCS. 8(
 
Oh yeah, you can get all kinds of oddball processed foods as 'organic' now. Which is one of the reasons why I don't put much stock in the organic label any more. It just doesn't mean that much these days. Some produce I'll do my beset to get organic, but for me local > 'certified' organic.

Ketchup is just too damn sweet IMO. For something similar, yet more awesome, take a good (or better: homemade) salsa and blend the everloving crap out of it, along with some tomato paste and vinegar, until the texture is about right. Then, if desired, sweeten to taste with real sugar-- honey, maple syrup and agave nectar all work well, as they're already in solution.
 
Dave said:
Oh yeah, you can get all kinds of oddball processed foods as 'organic' now. Which is one of the reasons why I don't put much stock in the organic label any more. It just doesn't mean that much these days. Some produce I'll do my beset to get organic, but for me local > 'certified' organic.
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The only issue I have with local produce, is a lot of it is sprayed with pesticides anyways--And I can taste the pesticides. Thankfully I found a local organic farm--Though they're not certified anymore as the farmer has a beef with the certification process. No pun intended by the way. :P

Dave said:
Ketchup is just too damn sweet IMO. For something similar, yet more awesome, take a good (or better: homemade) salsa and blend the everloving crap out of it, along with some tomato paste and vinegar, until the texture is about right. Then, if desired, sweeten to taste with real sugar-- honey, maple syrup and agave nectar all work well, as they're already in solution.
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That sounds good! I found a good ketchup for the few times I want some--I think Woodstock Farms makes it, but I'm not sure. I don't go through it that often (one small bottle in like six months).
 
Sometimes I just love australia, our 'organic' laws are a LOT better than the US so at least I know I am actually eating organic food as Its soooo hard to get certification!
 
What a load of rubbish. So everything that's not "natural" or is toxic when not eaten in moderation is automatically evil? That's what the message seems to be in this article at least, with a handful of unsupported (and in some cases, thoroughly debunked) generalisations to back it up.

Some of those things are indeed bad, but the majority are absolutely not, and are only considered so by "natural medicine" zealots who see anything they don't understand or produced by corporations as being evil or dangerous.

You'll also find that these idiots often use the "conspiracy theorist" approach of providing evidence for their flimsy claims (which among other things involves only including studies that support their theory while discarding everything that doesn't and denouncing or completely ignoring anything that goes against it, providing incomplete or just plain incorrect explanations of the underlying science, etc).

Whoever wrote that article should fuck off and get an education that goes beyond an F in high-school level biology/chemistry, and never write agenda-fuelled trash like that ever again.

Anybody with the slightest clue who read this thread with a drink in their hand will be buying a new keyboard/screen right now from laughter-related spillage...
 
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