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Are we living according to a script?

limitsoflanguage said:
the latter being converted from 'natural philosophy' to 'scientifically proven' as a result of this mathematical logic.
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Come again? "Mathematical" logic is deductive logic. Science is generally based around (and any theories close to being called "proven" always are) based around inductive logic based on empirical results.

That science -by which we mainly mean physics- is heavily formalized in math is not to imply that the underlying data is strict deductive logic. Not all sciences are heavily formalized in that manner either.
 
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True. I studied mathematics and philosophy so maybe my generalization to physics could be said to be wrong. But it isn't.
If one were to draw a circle using a stick:
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The relationship between 0 and infinity may become clearer? The implications of this are not trivial. I would love to discuss this further, but I am going on vacation unfortunately. A thread that I made explaining this further has been deleted - so I don't know if that makes any sense to you at all! - but it does make sense. The philosophy of mathematics and the history of science is very-much interrelated. It is difficult to draw using letters and numbers but this is covered in most of the major works on the philosophy of logic and mathematics. I'm sure that this seems irrelevant discussion to some people, but the relevance is only seen when it is understood - it is the only relevant discussion to the question posed. But it may not seem that way, I agree.
 
limitsoflanguage said:
True. I studied mathematics and philosophy so maybe my generalization to physics could be said to be wrong. But it isn't.
If one were to draw a circle using a stick:
o
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8
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The relationship between 0 and infinity may become clearer? The implications of this are not trivial. I would love to discuss this further, but I am going on vacation unfortunately. A thread that I made explaining this further has been deleted - so I don't know if that makes any sense to you at all! - but it does make sense. The philosophy of mathematics and the history of science is very-much interrelated. It is difficult to draw using letters and numbers but this is covered in most of the major works on the philosophy of logic and mathematics. I'm sure that this seems irrelevant discussion to some people, but the relevance is only seen when it is understood - it is the only relevant discussion to the question posed. But it may not seem that way, I agree.
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Hello. You once told me that I have no free will, but could clarify what you meant by that? I'd prefer it if you sent the message via PM, thanks.

And yes, I've had thoughts about how 0 and infinity may be related. But I don't understand how I really got there, and I forgot already what kind of crazy ideas I had back then. First of all, 8 has two zeroes in it. and... no, I am just kidding. ^_^ or was I? I dunno
 
I assure you that I didn't. I neither believe that for myself, or for other people.
Language can be misread, so it may seem like that is what I am implying, but it is not.
The person who thinks, what they are thinking about, and the nature of what they are thinking about. That is all that I was implying above, not that you have no free will!
Everyone has free will. It's a fact. Science and religion both imply that they don't, for exactly the same reason. And it is not a real reason. That's all I have time to say, unfortunately.
 
man is not created equal because we each have a will to exercise, we create the position in life we feel is the most suitable and comfortable, what we feel we are deserving of it seems usually. most deserve more then they give themselves credit for. the position chosen though, 9/10 x has the same predictable out comes.

emotions dictate in great part our sense of personal intelligence, self confidence creates room for memory, which help us more then anything maybe, create our current life status.
 
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All from Wikipedia...[blahblahblah]
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Look, man: Your insistence upon wearing your lack of mathematical or scientific training on your sleeve is becoming tiresome, to say the least. This is isn't an argument from authority (I'm not a physicist); it's just an observation. All of this interpretative babbling has almost nothing to do with the formal mathematics that are actually used to predict the phenomena that quantum mechanics treat. These functions are often statistical/probabilistic in nature. Ergo, they challenge the classical deterministic conception of how particles and waves behave.

Quantum mechanics violate the traditional model of electromagnetism in a way that is strongly suggestive of probabilistic, and not strictly deterministic, behavior. On this point, you were wrong.

The end.
 
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who are you talking to?
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...I mean, I could ask you the same question, since your post lacks quotes, and upward caret, or inline citations indicating the specific person to whom it's addressed.

To answer your question, I'm speaking to Comrade Kane, whose post (directed at me) contained the words "All from Wikipedia" followed by an inane block of text.
 
I believe, as this is a matter of belief, the answer is yes and no. This may seem like a cop out but I assure you it is not as life is a paradox. From nothing, there is something. We know there is something because we see, hear, touch, taste, and smell our existence. We know the universe has changed dramatically from the time of the big bang, and these changes seem to have crafted conditions conducive to sentient being's existence. We know this because we ARE. An easier way to illustrate what I'm saying is with a metaphor, so here it goes... (disclaimer: this IS a metaphor and the only conclusions I mean to draw from it are the ones I specifically point out)

Let's say humans were, instead, cells of a body. As cells we know nothing of the much larger body, yet we go about our daily lives, making friends, working, taking vacations etc... This seems mundane to the cell because it has no clue it's performing a function for the body. The cell can freely choose to indulge on chemicals that make it's daily life easier, it can over eat, over sleep, and be an overall bum. In doing so, the cell does not necessarily know that if it's lackadaisical approach to it's life were to spread, it would assuredly lead to mutual destruction. The cell still has free will to make choices, but only as long as those choices are not a detriment to the system it's living in. Even then, it can choose destruction, but the consequences mean the end of it's existence forever, as the body would die and there would be no system for the cell to inhabit.

As far as predetermination, the metaphor doesn't serve my purposes so I will leave it at that, but whether we want things to happen or not, they are already in motion. The only control we have over a lot of occurances, is as far as we are tapped into the will of 'God'. In other words, if a 200 billion year old asteroid were approaching Earth, we could group together and find a way to destroy the asteroid before it entered the atmosphere, but that asteroid's journey began 200 billion years ago. It was always going to approach Earth, we know this because, metaphorically, it's staring us down. But, whether the asteroid actually hits or not depends on the inhabitants of Earth and how they deal with the challenge.
 
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