Are there any psychedelics with a "dark" feeling like DXM?

[Soul Garden]

First off, this isn't a "What should I take?" thread. I just want to know what psychedelics are similar to DXM when it comes to the dark part.

So, when I started DXM, I noticed it was kinda dark. It was mysterious, mystical and weird. Are there any psychedelics that have that dark, mysterious, weird feel?

 

[bummer]

Salvia. I find the place it takes me to fascinating though and would love to explore it further but I have trouble finding the right time and place and person to watch over me.
The only person who'd be willing to sit me is usually drunk and kinda closed minded, don't like the idea of gathering my thoughts with all that noise happening around me.
I can't do it alone as last time I did I know I got up and did stuff ( took off some clothes and moved things around my house ) have sat there many times with pipe in hand but not feeling safe stops me.

And also, for me anyway, MXE. Although I think that may be because I was eyeballing it and I could never be sure how deep things were going to get. I regret that now that its banned where I am but hey ho

 

[flip future]

dxm is dark [not necessarily in a bad way, more like how a rainy day can be dope] but i think most users turn the lights off lay in bed and listen to music.. if its bright outside or u go outside it actually has a sunny feel, and ive found that after having done it enough times u start to enjoy going out or doing things more than just laying in bed.

 

[wayab]

dxm dark? that is news for me.
but maybe look into other dissociatives (dxm is not a classical psychedelic) like ketamine, pcp, mxe and all the new analogs.

 

[iodo]

4-ho-det had plenty of dark undertones to it. Shadows were enhanced and everything had a brownish-purple color to it. 4-AcO-DMT has been dark in the past, but I'd say that with most psychs it depends on your set/setting for whether things are bright and playful or dark and mysterious.

 

[Goddess Mode]

I've definitely noticed this dark quality to DXM as well. I've only had two strongly hallucinogenic experiences with it, one of which felt very much like Invader Zim, and the other of which had themes along the lines of London dark ages meets alien religious cult. I wouldn't really say I've tried any psychedelics that have that same quality.... Psychedelics tend to be human and full of positive emotion and very familiar feeling to me. I would also recommend trying other dissociatives instead, but honestly I haven't gotten that quality from ketamine or nitrous either.

 

[Soul Garden]

I definitely do want to find something with that mysterious, dark feel. It was really weird, as if everyone was an alien. The way things would distort, which for me, objects would get insanely huge then become as small as an ant. Things stretched out and didn't seem to stay in place. DXM also kinda seemed to dim my vision, as if someone had turned down the brightness of lights. I just don't know any other way to put it :/ It's dark, mysterious, weird, etc... I have considered whether or not PCP would give the same feel, but PCP is a very harmful drug from what I understand. Yeah, DXM can definitely harm you, but as long as you don't abuse it and stay with the low doses and occasional 3rd-4th plateau doses you should be fine. I have this saying... "Respect the substance, and the substance will respect you. Abuse it, and it will abuse you." Anyways, it seems as if these dark feeling drugs are all dissociatives. Psychedelics are day time, and Dissociatives are night time. DXM is very easy to obtain and widely available. I don't know where in the hell I could get alternatives, but I'm not going to ask. I already know it's against the rules to ask for a weblink to a vendor and such.

 

[Goddess Mode]

I would never call DXM a harmful drug if used with any level of self control. PCP I would.... I mean there are worse things out there but there are also better options. Anyway, I wouldn't say it's as black and white (or night and day as it were) as that.... Psychedelics are an extremely diverse group of drugs, I wouldn't doubt that there are some dark/weird ones out there. Plus there's individual variance to take into account, or even just different set and setting or being at different points in your life. When I first started tripping psychedelics did make me feel like people looked alien.... Now they actuall make people seem more beautiful, like I'm seeing them for the first time. Some people also consider LSD dark.... I prefer to call it edgy.

Really, the only way you're really going to know if something gives you the style of trip you like is to try it yourself.

 

[wayab]

try ketamine and prepare your setting acording to that dark feel you seek. try listening to dark ambient, drone or stuff like that and make up your room with 'dark' aesthetics. i think ketamine is your best bet.
but if speaking about psychedelics maybe dpt ?

 

[St3ve]

Ketamine seems pretty dark to me as well, when it hits it feels like the mad clowns have come and switched off some lights in my brain xD. MXE is dark to an extent but seems to go through more colourful phases at times and has a more 'innocent' feel to it compared to DXM and ketamine...

 

[wayab]

none of these drugs is 'dark' or 'light'. set and setting influences them to be either way

 

[alienation]

Definitely salvia. The effects are much more intense than DXM, though not necessarily as pleasant. DPH (benedryl) has that effect too, though its effects are kind of delirious at times. I'm glad I'm not the only one who enjoys the "dark" quality of certain psychedelics.

 

[Soul Garden]

I'm the kind of person who takes on a dark lifestyle somewhat. Not dark as in I wear black clothing everyday with black makeup listening to doom metal and considering myself evil like teens like to do >.> Kinda like that Doorsy Jim Morrison, Aleister Crowley, Nietzsche dark... I don't know how to explain it really. Anyways, DXM and K seem like my best bet. I've heard K to be the least damaging of DXM, K, and PCP. I would LOVE to get it and try a mid-high dose for my first time, which I think I could handle knowing that I used to go over the gram range of DXM. Sadly, I've built tolerance to the point of the DXM gram range only producing high 2nd-low 3rd plateau effects. Sometimes it doesn't even go past 2nd. Surprisingly I'm still a fast responding, snappy, and according to my friends, intelligent to the point of being threatening or scary. Not to say I haven't taken damage. I believe DXM use like that will fry a brain. Think it had anything to do with the access to weed and green tea(I think they're both neuroprotectants?) everytime? DXM is a favorite option once again though. 300mg Wellbutrin a day with 1st plateau doses gives me no real dissociation, but an energetic opiate body high with a very strong mind fuck. It's still dark, even though I feel much stronger emotions now on it. I can only describe these emotions with pictures and colors. My favorite once feels like a purple mixed with red and pink. Also, low first plateau doses are supposedly an anti-depressant much more effective than what our legal drug dealers give us. It is also supposedly a neuroprotectant and nootropic. The above therapuetic doses, but low psychoactives doses are supposedly like a smart drug. DXM is already classed as an SNRI.(Serotonin Norepenephrine Reuptake Inhibitor) Other effects include increased mental clarity, faster thinking, increased empathy and ego loss. It's still DEFINITELY dark though.
alienation - You suggested DPH. The sedation makes me feel very funky and I hate it. It's not like the LSA sedation, it's a different sedation. Also, I do like the darkness of it. My first trip didn't seem really sedated for some reason, now it's VERY sedating. I have maybe 600mg total in my medicine cabinet right now. Don't think I'll be taking it anytime soon. DPH definitely had a very dark feel. It was very weird and psychotic feeling. It was basically a temporary drug-induced schizophrenia. Voices, people who're not there, strange sensations, smells, and tastes.
A lot of you have said MXE. I'm not asking for a vendor because it's against rules, but how could I get this? Like, maybe people at parties have it? You could simply say, "You probably have to find a vendor." I think it's a research chemical actually. Also, I saw dpt suggestions. Could someone explain what it is? I would love to try anything psychedelic/dissociative as long as it's safe for occasional use. Come to think of it, I think dissociatives are my favorite. I hate when people say they trap you inside your head rather than release you from it. DXM is the only dissociative I've done, but it always let me look at the world in a different way. Without DXM, I wouldn't be as much into philosophy, spirituality, my OWN life, the universe, abstract thinking, creations and inventions, art, literature, music, etc... as I am now.

 

[St3ve]

MXE is not that hard to get on the internet... A bit of creative googling will find you a place that will sell it to you. You might want to investigate a little further before ordering from the first best website you come across as not all vendors are legit and might just be scammers! I had a friend who'd sell doses of MXE at parties but in my experience it's not something you'll easily find at a random clubnight.

 

[LucidSDreamr]

i know what you mean about dxm being dark...though i describe it as the ever so unique "tussin-space".....there is nothing that has that same feel to it. i don't think the other dissociatives do, dxm has alot of additonal pharmacologic action that the other dissociatives do not that probably helps contribute to this feeling you are talking about

 

[Cream Gravy?]

MXE is not that hard to get on the internet... A bit of creative googling will find you a place that will sell it to you. You might want to investigate a little further before ordering from the first best website you come across as not all vendors are legit and might just be scammers! I had a friend who'd sell doses of MXE at parties but in my experience it's not something you'll easily find at a random clubnight.

Off topic, but did people actually want MXE at parties? In my experience, people would be like "MX-What? Get those bath salts outa mah face!"

 

[St3ve]

Off topic, but did people actually want MXE at parties? In my experience, people would be like "MX-What? Get those bath salts outa mah face!"

I don't see the appeal of taking MXE at a club really. That said my friend did usually make a fair bit of money selling RCs at clubs, I'm not sure if many people took it at the actual club, but plenty of after party folk were more than happy too indulge in MXE madness...

 

[Clocktower]

Sounds like you want Salvia Divinorum.

 

[Toz]

First off, this isn't a "What should I take?" thread. I just want to know what psychedelics are similar to DXM when it comes to the dark part.

So, when I started DXM, I noticed it was kinda dark. It was mysterious, mystical and weird. Are there any psychedelics that have that dark, mysterious, weird feel?

Phencyclidine and all other NMDA antagonists. But phencyclidine especially if you want the darkness.

 

[Soul Garden]

Phencyclidine and all other NMDA antagonists. But phencyclidine especially if you want the darkness.

That' pretty funny. Everytime I thought about PCP(I was 14-15?), before I'd ever taken DXM, I was thinking it was a very dark mysterious drug. My mom said I should never take it because it makes people feel 50 feet tall, it makes you feel strong and powerful, it distorts things and it's weird. I really never knew where I got the dark part from though. When I heard the 50 feet tall, full of power thing, I was thinking, "That's gotta be weird, mysterious, and DARK!". I remember going on Erowid and finding out about DXM. My dad was on his way to either a Publix or Winn Dixie right after I was done reading. So, I went with him and stole the blue box of robotussin which is 118ml with 15mg of DXM per 5ml. This is 354mg of DXM. I chugged it and the high was EXACTLY how I thought PCP would be. Things got a dark feel, the world shook up and down, lights dimmed down and so did my vision, I felt twisted and distorted, things dissociated out of place, I felt like I was in a washing machine, I felt the tall effect and powerful(Delusions?), etc... I can't look at the blue box without almost feeling the darkness now xD I call it blubotussin. The liquid itself is dark, weird, and mysterious. I've had some crazy ass DARK trips on DXM that enlightened me, made me think creatively, etc... Will PCP do this? Does PCP cause that itchiness and robo-zombie walk? In terms of power, lets compare a normal PCP dose to a 3rd or 4th plateau dose. Which is more powerful?