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Lysergamides Are their different types of LSD?

I have personally experimented with several different manufacturers products and have found repeatedly that one or two types will have one effect, despite dosage and others would have others!

Have you done this without knowing what you were taking? Did someone pick the dose and then give it to you without telling you what it was? Obviously when you've taken one blotter and thought "That's the stuff that gives me a headache". The next time you take it it's a good bet it will give you a headache.

The famous Owsley story needs repeating here. Owsley heard people claiming they were getting different effects from LSD so he made one batch and then dipped the blotter in a different coloured food dye. Sure enough he started hearing reports that "The green acid is a bummer, but the yellow is righteously mellow and the red is a total bodyfuck". He was laughing his bollocks off over what people were claiming about the acid. It was complete and utter horseshit.
 
Fwoosh said:
it's down to a bunch of thieves/liars being able to get these materials bulk synthesized in certain places i won't say for pennies on the dollar then make millions and millions in ill-gotten gains misrepresenting them as LSD.
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Do people really make millions and millions from LSD? I've never heard of someone like Pablo Escobar going into the LSD trade to get rich. Coke yeah, heroin yeah but I don't think there's many people going "Lets make LSD and become billlionaires dude". Too difficult to make and a specialist market.

EDIT: I did make some acid myself once by dissolving some orange peel in a bucket of budweiser and leaving it in the closet in the dark for 6 months. That always gave me a headache and strange trip. Perhaps this is the method they are using for manufacture these days?
 
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Yes, the people at the top of that particular pyramid are getting positively hood rich off the stuff, particularly as prices are becoming more and more inflated

Btw Ismene, join eP! You'll like it. Check your pm's.
 
I'd better put another bucket of orange peel in the closet right away!

Do you think the market has improved since Operation Julie? That was allegedly the biggest LSD operation in the world supplying two-thirds of the worlds supply of LSD and the bloke in charge had a measly 800,000 in his bank account. Not much when you think Pablo Escobar had 4 billion. And that was 1977 - before Ecstasy so presumably LSD had a far bigger market in those days?

I'll check out the new site, thanks for the invite :)
 
I can really only speak to the market on this side of the pond (U.S.) where good proper L is reasonably plentiful in the right circles but unreasonably priced all around; I do know that the LS? Originates from the Europe though, from which some of it makes it over here...
 
Operation Julie was just up the road from here. The aforementioned bloke in charge used to drink at my local. Locals loved 'em cos they bought rounds in for the whole pub, gave away expensive presents - including the sillypricey watches of ftheir own wrists. Nice fellas and Sandoz (who analysed the stuff found at the raid) said it was the purest LSD ever made (and still is apparently). They even admitted it was better than their own stuff from the sixties. Rumoured to still be stashes in the area. Rumoured. But would love to test the theory :D

Good documentary on it - Operation Julie - LSD and the Brotherhood.
 
Rumoured to still be stashes in the area.

I believe Dwayne has most of it..
 
It's all in me back garden. But ssshhh! - it's a secret ;)

As for how much they made, 13m microdots were confiscated just in the raid - that's over £100m worth (street price) at the time. They'd been at it for a long time before that too. The question of what happened to all the rest of the money is still open - also rumoured to be buried in the area. Sadly not in my back garden :(
 
surf.shaman said:
Other things ARE on blotter for sure.
DOx's
NBOME's
BDF
Even 2C's have been found on blotters!

things like phenazepam would totally fit on botters too...

The good news is that there are test kits available - and if you want to be sort of sure that there is at least some LSD on your blotter - you can be -LSD test kit
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Have you ever tried that test kit? If so how effective is it? If there are apparently no reagents or chemicals in it, according to the site how does it work then?
 
One thing Shammy, how much weight do you put on that claim that Sandoz said it was "purer than ours"? Is there a bloke in a white coat walking down the steps at Sandoz and saying "It's purer than ours dude!". Or is it the ravings of a clueless stoner? As I understand chemistry when you've arranged these precise atoms in this precise structure than you have LSD-25. The atoms either have this exact structure in which case they are LSD-25 or they don't in which case they arn't LSD-25. There's no question of "It's 80% pure LSD-25" - if 20% of the atoms arn't in the right place then it's not "impure LSD" - it's fuck-all :D

Here's one Albert made earlier:

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Sandoz announced their astonishment at the purity levels (and how it was purer than their own) at a press conference at the time after they'd been asked to test what was found during the raid. Obviously we are talking fractions of a percent difference (99.93% vs 99.97% style o' thing) that likely would be impossible to notice subjectively. It's just impressive that an underground chemist working in a small Welsh farmhouse could produce a purer product than a giant pharmacuetical company is all. LSD is LSD but there will always be some level of "other stuff" present in the final product - traces of unreacted chems and so forth. It's not a case of it being "dirty" LSD with other random bits stuck to the molecules so much as a few tiny traces of impurities left in the final product that are basically impossible to avoid. Kinda like having a gram of "anything" and getting a few specks of dust mixed in with it you just can't get rid of. I don't think 100% purity is really very feasible with any manufactured chemical.
 
I suppose you can interpret that in a couple of ways. Either Richard Kemp is a better LSD chemist than Albert Hoffman or it's so easy to create LSD that a bloke in a welsh farmhouse can create LSD to the quality of Sandoz. Which would suggest all the theories about "LSD hasn't been any good since that Sandoz I took back in 1957" might not be accurate.

Maybe illicit LSD is better than Sandoz 9 times out of 10 as a matter of course.
 
Whats the most common alternative used that is passed off as liquid LSD?
 
Ismene said:

The famous Owsley story needs repeating here. Owsley heard people claiming they were getting different effects from LSD so he made one batch and then dipped the blotter in a different coloured food dye. Sure enough he started hearing reports that "The green acid is a bummer, but the yellow is righteously mellow and the red is a total bodyfuck". He was laughing his bollocks off over what people were claiming about the acid. It was complete and utter horseshit.
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One story from one person's mouth is just heresay. No particular reason to take it as any sort of "evidence" or "proof".

Owsley I have read was as full of his own verbiage/BS as anyone and anything he said was as likely to be just that a story told for his own amusement/ego/motives. Ignoring all the discussion/info above and putting Owsley forth as some definitive & incontrovertible oracle is bordering on "hero worship" IMO.
 
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LSD 25=LSD 25 there is no variation. It is a molecule with an exact structure. If you alter the structure you dont have LSD 25 you got some other crazy shit. People put all kinds of strange things on blotters but its the same as with any other drug. In the end theres gonna be a lot of bunk shit floating around. Dont buy drugs from people you dont entirely trust unless youre cool with throwing away your money.
 
substance called lsd-25 would be the only thing i guess but you could have gotten 2c's.... you never know
 
maybe the food dye has a subtle effect on the structure of the molecule? LSD is a volatile substance. The chemicals present in tap water neutralize it. Who is anyone to say that if you use cane sugar cubes or beet sugar cubes that you'll get the same results?
 
If there's such a thing as beet sugar cubes. All I've ever used is domino, which is cane, and to tell you the truth all of the cubes I've ever had have been super clean and strong, pretty much the same kind of trip, that's probably where the dosage comes in. I think different chemicals do play a role, when the finished product is titrated onto paper with different colored dyes in different amounts, different brand of distilled water, different brands of blotter bleached with chemicals from different suppliers. there are many subtle variables. Some people get rashes from chemicals that are used every day by others with no ill effects. there's no way to tell what's going on with this molecule until it's legalized so real, modern, legitimate studies can be made. Until then, It's all conjecture.
 
ps- 2ce or 2cb is effective in the hundreds- of milligrams range. It is a physical impossibility for it to fit on a .25" square of blotter paper. Windowpanes (geltabs) as well.
 
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