I see, yeah they seem fucking devious from an addiction standpoint (insanely short half life + tolerance build up + smoking it) practically made to hack your brain. But good to know its not necesseraly comparable to heroin smoking.
Yeah those carts are ass... like you said there's not enough in em to even feel it for those of us who have some kind of tolerance... that would be tits tho if they were effective- but i'd go broke down doubt cub scout
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thats insane, guess you can chase the dragon with it, the alkaloids being heat sensitive is weird though, the wikipedia page for kratom says you can smoke it but that could mean anything
thats a fuck ton if your tolerance was low or barely anything depending on how much you were doing, i know you say you cant get addicted but do you recall how much was needed for effect at this time?
I would absolutely not advise smoking kratom leaf powder, but man, maybe it does something? I'm not sure.
Yeah I hadn't touched an opioid in maybe 2-3 months at that point? I needed maybe 10-15mg per dose. Just spent most of the day torching my way through.
Yeah, red flags of possible waste via that RoA for sure. I had somebody watching me with Narcan, in reality it was maybe 4-5 hours in total. The gram was 63%, ~3% extra was mit, and a pretty negligible amount of minor alkaloids. The incredibly fast DoA allowed me to redose pretty infinitely, reminded me of how I can go through over a gram of pure DMT in a day just back-to-back breaking through.
Yeah I found it pretty easy to burn through a gram or maybe even more in day smoking it. I think either bioavailability goes way down or a lot of the material burns. I would throw approx 40mg onto pipe and it would feel like 10-15mg orally but instantaneous (and very compulsive). At the time I wasn't worried about having Narcan. I think 7 does produce respiratory depression, but no where near the levels of traditional opiates. I never felt physically in danger. I also never took it to true nod levels.. unless i was nodding and didn't noticel
7oh has a ceiling to the effect. Potent affinity but shit efficiency. At a certain point it starts to feel like bupe, no amount will get you high(er).
Yeah I noticed that which is why I never tried to push it to super high levels. I wasn't sure if it was possible to "nod". Pushing it higher just seemed to shoot tolerance faster. I likely DID have a tolerance at that point. I consider myself lucky, but i went through 20g in a month split orally and smoking. and I just stopped w no issue aside from anxiety over stopping. It DOES work tho.
This. Tbh, the highest purity I've seen of it was 83% from a talented chemist. Most of what is out there is the red powder which is generally like 63% as most of the chemists* who make it, don't really put in the effort to clean it up much. I think orally when they are pressed into tablets the purity % is taken into consideration. I imagine with vapes, they just put 200mg or w/e of the material into PG and call it.
I never had such luck, but I was on 7oh for years. I'm so glad to be off 7oh, with suboxone being the compromise.
I don't want to push my luck but I've never experienced opioid withdrawal afaik. Either that or quitting 2 separate and severe benzo dependancies makes opioid withdrawal look like a walk in the park...
Most of my ER visits (more than I'd like to recall/share) I generally show up with both severe simultaneous opioid, alcohol and benzo dependencies. You should see my medical record, lol
.... it would make your seasoned triage doctor blush.
Was speaking to my GF at the time. She is a big head in the kratom industry and decided early on that she didn't want to have any part in 7. That's how I got the free 20g lol, I'd made it with her (so romantic!) and by the time it didn't smell like solvent, she didn't want it anymore. We were observing the whole 7 addiction thing really rear up and we came to the conclusion that in a weird way, because it IS safer than traditional opioids in regards to respiratory depression, you can actually take more and more without as serious of health risk, and combined with the ceiling effect, allowed people to take massive amounts which caused tolereance levels to skyrocket to the point that are hard to reach with H/Fent safely or without serious financial drain.Most of my ER visits (more than I'd like to recall/share) I generally show up with both severe simultaneous opioid, alcohol and benzo dependencies. You should see my medical record, lol
Anyways you kinda made me place where severe 7oh treads. Its like some fucked fucked up amalgamation of opioid, stimulant, and SSRI withdrawal with a tinge of severe benzo withdrawal.
The one saving grace of 7oh is the withdrawals are remarkably short. 72 hours or so. By day 4 you are clearly out of acutes and into PAWS. Saw some other guy here saying they last 5-7 days like traditional opioids such as H. I disagree. It doesn't matter if I go cold turkey or switch to subs, after day 3 I start feeling rapidly back to normal. Without subs, a heavy PAWS sets in, but the acutes are always over by day 4.
I completely agree. 7oh is like a fishing lure for people who typically wouldn't get addicted to hard drugs. I mean shit bro, when in the last 40-50 years could you purchase such a powerful drug OTC like that? It certainly fucks you up more than codeine.
Aight to be fair regarding the pricing.. id buy a kg of MIT, for i dunno 18k at the time. Id turn that into 600g of 63% 7, which when i started doing this, it sold for 100k/kg wholesale. Retail you can ex0ect price to rise easily 1000% from point of manufqcture. So its really no surprise, due to its simplicity of manufacture, and huge margin, that it blew up. There was a SHIT TON of money to be made at every level in the beginning. The 150mg pills are a product of intense competition between dif producers. I doubt its very profitable by now, which is why switch way ahead of time. I see this shit coming everytime.
