I've been hearing a lot of crap from people telling me that because I roll at raves, I'm not a true raver. You all have heard it, old ravers saying "drugs have ruined raves"... But what I try tell them is I mainly go to dance, but trying to dance for 7-8 hrs is hard and exhausting. E just gives a ton of energy to dance that long. What do you all think? I mean I love what raves are all about, the drugs just make it more interesting...
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Are people who roll at raves not " true ravers"
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A_ShinyRollinStar
Bluelighter
you are not a "true raver" when you go to the raves only for drugs. if u go to the rave for the music and just see the drugs as a bonus to the night...than its all good.
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Some people call me a lunch box. infact, if it was in the dictionary, im sure my picture would be next to it1
Reality is just a crutch for people who can't cope with drugs."
More people have died from alcohol and tobacco in the last five minutes than have died from LSD and MDMA in the history of the world.
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Some people call me a lunch box. infact, if it was in the dictionary, im sure my picture would be next to it1
Reality is just a crutch for people who can't cope with drugs."
More people have died from alcohol and tobacco in the last five minutes than have died from LSD and MDMA in the history of the world.
If you feel the need to validate your actions to anyone, then you're not a real anything.
Who gives a fuck what YOU do and how you do it? If you like going to parties and getting fucked up, more power to you.
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"If I could stand up baby, I'd make you my wife"
Who gives a fuck what YOU do and how you do it? If you like going to parties and getting fucked up, more power to you.
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"If I could stand up baby, I'd make you my wife"
just be yourself,do what you want..who gives a fuck what they say is a "true raver", they dont know shit
and who says they are "old skool ravers" unless they been at it since the eighties or some shit..im sick of that
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matt
"Rehab is for quitters, and nobody likes a quitter"
"Now At Peace, Bradley James Nowell, 1968-1996"
and who says they are "old skool ravers" unless they been at it since the eighties or some shit..im sick of that
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matt
"Rehab is for quitters, and nobody likes a quitter"
"Now At Peace, Bradley James Nowell, 1968-1996"
spork_grrl
Bluelighter
Most people who think that way are usually just bitter cuz of all the fuck-ups who go to parties, do too much e & then spend the entire nite e-puddling all over the dance floor. I know lots of people have a real problem with people who can't handle their drugs & don't know their limit. As well.. a lot of the older people I know get really disturbed when they see young people fuct on drugs. Nothing bothers me more than running into some fuct up 15 year old at a party. I'm not sure how old you are, but anywho...
**I can't generalize for all younger people.. i know many young people who are very responsible with their drug use as well as some older ones who are very irresponsible. But.. the younger you are.. the less likely you are gonna be able to deal with all the extra issues that drugs can bring into your life.**
If you go out & have a good time, know your limits and behave responsibly and don't bug others, do as you wish!
BUT... if you are one of those twits who like.. sit in the middle of the dance floor & e-tard out.... i'm coming after you!! grrr.. e-tards who sit on the dance floor piss me off! =)
**I can't generalize for all younger people.. i know many young people who are very responsible with their drug use as well as some older ones who are very irresponsible. But.. the younger you are.. the less likely you are gonna be able to deal with all the extra issues that drugs can bring into your life.**
If you go out & have a good time, know your limits and behave responsibly and don't bug others, do as you wish!
BUT... if you are one of those twits who like.. sit in the middle of the dance floor & e-tard out.... i'm coming after you!! grrr.. e-tards who sit on the dance floor piss me off! =)
Max_Facter
Bluelighter
I'm sorry to be the one to say this but raving has receive sooo much attention lately that parents actually tell their children not to go to raves or "do that ecstasy crap" and being the intelligent 16 year olds they are, head for the next massive and try out what they are not supposed to. Sounds familiar doesn't it?
Come on! We've all seen them gather in little groups together like this is some kind of high school popularity contest. They're doing the "cool" thing, the in-thing, the thing they aren't supposed to. And worst of all they don't have anyone(usually) to show them the way.
One of the most important things about raving is being taught correctly about drugs, music, culture and basically what its all about. These kids just know what they see on TV or read in Time magazine and we all know that isn't the whole truth. Sometimes TV doesn't give us all the facts.
As much as I dislike them, I hope they find someone to show them the way because if too many kids try it out and take like 6 pills the first time and die then they give people like us a bad name(ravers).
Anyone who looks up information to be educated on the subject is at least taking the first step toward raverhood. Thats why this site was created and people like us write articles!
Remember kids just because 1 pill is good doesn't mean that 6 is six times better! Don't fuck with raving (or E)or it'll fuck with you!
PS-maybe this doesn't apply to your area but i live in SoCal and i see them all the time.
Come on! We've all seen them gather in little groups together like this is some kind of high school popularity contest. They're doing the "cool" thing, the in-thing, the thing they aren't supposed to. And worst of all they don't have anyone(usually) to show them the way.
One of the most important things about raving is being taught correctly about drugs, music, culture and basically what its all about. These kids just know what they see on TV or read in Time magazine and we all know that isn't the whole truth. Sometimes TV doesn't give us all the facts.
As much as I dislike them, I hope they find someone to show them the way because if too many kids try it out and take like 6 pills the first time and die then they give people like us a bad name(ravers).
Anyone who looks up information to be educated on the subject is at least taking the first step toward raverhood. Thats why this site was created and people like us write articles!
Remember kids just because 1 pill is good doesn't mean that 6 is six times better! Don't fuck with raving (or E)or it'll fuck with you!
PS-maybe this doesn't apply to your area but i live in SoCal and i see them all the time.
I don't like the word rave or raver, they both sound derogatory. I prefer party or party kid or just kid. And I don't like the word old school either when referring to a party kid. But it's ok to refer to a record or a track that way.
Thats just me, sorry for being a little off topic. To roll or not to roll, was that the question. Do whatever you want cause if your not doing that then why do anything at all.
Thats just me, sorry for being a little off topic. To roll or not to roll, was that the question. Do whatever you want cause if your not doing that then why do anything at all.
you know what? there's no such thing as a "true raver." Unless you were around in Ibiza 15 years ago, or ran around the British country side w/ cops chasing you looking for a party, you were introduced to the scene like everyone else - therefore, you were once a newbie too. And considering the original warehouse parties were fueled by the music AND drugs, it's a bit suspect to say you're not a "true raver" if you do drugs. Granted, if you're a flake and use your chemistry irresponsibly, than you're just an idiot flake and deserve flaming, but if can handle your drugs, it makes getting to know people a heck of a lot easier and the party more...interesting. (Note: I didn't say "better" b/c for me, party w/o drugs is more about the actual dancing and energy, I can dance all night and get myself into an endorphin high, but w/ chems. it's different, more visual, social, talkative...)
I also agree w/ Goose - the term "raver" is so derogitory. It conjures up an image of some dumb-candy kid... Party kid or Party is much more acceptable for me.
take care - be safe - test your pills!
I also agree w/ Goose - the term "raver" is so derogitory. It conjures up an image of some dumb-candy kid... Party kid or Party is much more acceptable for me.
take care - be safe - test your pills!
georgejr42
Bluelighter
You are a true raver if-
1- You go to raves to have fun
2- You try to avoid ruining other peoples good time(closed minded assholes don't count here, your existence will ruin their good time so ignore them)
Drugs may be a part of it, they may not be. Its a personal choice. It cracks me up when old school ravers bitch about drugs ruining the scene, when drugs helped to start it. Maybe if they reached out and guided new users there wouldn't be as many problems???
1- You go to raves to have fun
2- You try to avoid ruining other peoples good time(closed minded assholes don't count here, your existence will ruin their good time so ignore them)
Drugs may be a part of it, they may not be. Its a personal choice. It cracks me up when old school ravers bitch about drugs ruining the scene, when drugs helped to start it. Maybe if they reached out and guided new users there wouldn't be as many problems???
trancesetter21
Bluelighter
You can't really make a collective definiton of a "true raver", because everyone has a different outlook on going to parties. Each person goes for their own reason, each person does what they enjoy at a party. Granted some people never figure out what a party is really about...(ie kids who do nothing but puddle out, kids who fight)...and those are the kids that will eventually fizzle out of the scene or wind up crackheads
Anywhoos, just because you roll at parties doesn't make you any less of a party kid than the next Joe Raver. I've been goin to parties for a bit now and I never consider myself "old skool", like said above MUSIC is old skool.
I didn't roll for the first 1 1/2 years of partyin, then tried it and rolled at parties for about 2 years. I realized how much I love to dance my little ass off all night, but MDMA for some reason makes me a clumsy little girl...so I quit rollin, put on ma dancin shoes, and get down all night sober style
And all the while I considered myself a "true party kid". If you feel like you're partyin smart and for the right reasons...you too are a true raver
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AIM:erratica21
~*~If everyone is standing around, waiting and expecting something great to happen...it never will. It's when no one is watching that the best sets are played
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~~~D.A.V.E. the Drummer
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I didn't roll for the first 1 1/2 years of partyin, then tried it and rolled at parties for about 2 years. I realized how much I love to dance my little ass off all night, but MDMA for some reason makes me a clumsy little girl...so I quit rollin, put on ma dancin shoes, and get down all night sober style
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AIM:erratica21
~*~If everyone is standing around, waiting and expecting something great to happen...it never will. It's when no one is watching that the best sets are played
~~~D.A.V.E. the Drummer
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TripToTheSun
Bluelighter
A raver is someone who enjoys life! IF people go to raves only with the excuse to roll, that's BAD!, rave is music, the sutff you do that is an added value!
T!
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SEEYA in Costa Rica!
"I'm a raver, my emotional state of choice is Ecstasy..."
T!
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SEEYA in Costa Rica!
"I'm a raver, my emotional state of choice is Ecstasy..."
Thanks for the input everyone. I guess what I was trying to say is this: I don't go to raves for the drugs.I can get those on my own, and if I went to parties just to get fucked up, why not save my $ on admission and roll for free at home... I just don't have what it takes to dance for 8 hrs+ w/o a boost of energy.
Lane
Bluelighter
those old ravers don't know the incredible impact certain drugs had in the forming of the "rave" scene
they don't call it "Acid House," just because of the squelchy 303. the actual drug LSD had a huge part in the developing this musical genre and it's scene.
tell your "old raver" friends to educate themselves on their scene by reading "Generation Ecstasy" by Simon Reynolds. Simon is someone who has been there from close to the beginning.
better yet, you should read it; so the next time they bitch and complain, you can set their asses straight.
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"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain."
-The Wizard of Oz
"Music defines time."
-DJ Psydel
dancetilldawn
Bluelighter
where is that quote ive read somewhere on here before? it goes something like saying you cant enjoy raving with drugs is like saying you cant enjoy coffee with sugar and cream.
something like that...
something like that...
Lane: LSD has nothing to do with "Acid House" it was a term the british press came up with. They thought at the time the drug being used in these early raves was acid when infact it was ecstacy (MDMA). It should have been "Ecstacy House". But yes the modern rave scene would very likely not exists if it weren't for the billions of pills we and our for fathers have done in Britain and other countrys where the scene is growing. It all started over here when a few DJ went over to Ibiza and brought the music & the drugs back. Drugs are explicitly tied in with the scene weather the 3ll3t 'old skool' (as in since '99 lol) ravers like it or not.
evsid
Bluelighter
No matter what scene you're in there will always be jaded fuckheads whose greatest joy is to put down everyone else. The thing is 9 times out of 10 they themselves are latecomers to the scene and put everything down out of their own insecurity.
Next time someone accuses you of of not beeing a "true", "real" or "original" anything, either ignore them or better yet roll your eyes at them, tell them they're just a pathetic old fart & walk away dismissively. That will get them!
Next time someone accuses you of of not beeing a "true", "real" or "original" anything, either ignore them or better yet roll your eyes at them, tell them they're just a pathetic old fart & walk away dismissively. That will get them!
Blagsta
Bluelighter
I think it was DJ Pierre et al (Acid Trax etc) that came up with the term acid house 'cos it sounded like acid rock.
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viva acid house
Lane
Bluelighter
Johny Boy,
i've read in two seperate books that LSD had a huge impact on the forming of the Acid House genre and scene
the first book was: "Generation Ecstasy" by Simon Reynolds
the second book was: "Last Night A DJ Saved My Life: The History of the Disc Jockey" by Bill Brewster & Frank Broughton.
the latter book goes into detail about the beginnings of Acid House.
The first known Acid House track produced was called "Acid Trax" by Phuture, but this was way before the term "acid house" was considered. This was first played by DJ Ron Hardy at a Chicago based club called The Warehouse. Even though are are conflicting stories of where the term "acid house" came from, the most popular and the most agreed upon by the people that were there at the time is that it started at a club called The Music Box (also in Chicago). Apparently, patrons would spike the water with LSD. And guess what??? The DJ at The Music Box was Ron Hardy, playing the same type of 303 heavy tracks (acid house) he first played at The Warehouse.
How bout that, Acid House did not start and the term was not coined by the British. It wasn't until around 1988 at the Brits got a hold of Acid House and that was all thanks to Chicago DJs, Kym Mazelle, Marshall Jefferson (who claims he invented the squelchy 303 sound, but DJ Peirre actually did), and Frankie Knuckles (Ron Hardy's DJ partner).
so there you go, that's the facts
Blagsta,
you're partly right. DJ Pierre, Spanky and Herbert J are the members of Phuture who produced "Acid Trax." they didn't come up with the term "acid house." they just produced the first track that started the Acid House genre. funny thing is the guyz in Phuture were supposedly anti-drug.
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i've read in two seperate books that LSD had a huge impact on the forming of the Acid House genre and scene
the first book was: "Generation Ecstasy" by Simon Reynolds
the second book was: "Last Night A DJ Saved My Life: The History of the Disc Jockey" by Bill Brewster & Frank Broughton.
the latter book goes into detail about the beginnings of Acid House.
The first known Acid House track produced was called "Acid Trax" by Phuture, but this was way before the term "acid house" was considered. This was first played by DJ Ron Hardy at a Chicago based club called The Warehouse. Even though are are conflicting stories of where the term "acid house" came from, the most popular and the most agreed upon by the people that were there at the time is that it started at a club called The Music Box (also in Chicago). Apparently, patrons would spike the water with LSD. And guess what??? The DJ at The Music Box was Ron Hardy, playing the same type of 303 heavy tracks (acid house) he first played at The Warehouse.
How bout that, Acid House did not start and the term was not coined by the British. It wasn't until around 1988 at the Brits got a hold of Acid House and that was all thanks to Chicago DJs, Kym Mazelle, Marshall Jefferson (who claims he invented the squelchy 303 sound, but DJ Peirre actually did), and Frankie Knuckles (Ron Hardy's DJ partner).
so there you go, that's the facts
Blagsta,
you're partly right. DJ Pierre, Spanky and Herbert J are the members of Phuture who produced "Acid Trax." they didn't come up with the term "acid house." they just produced the first track that started the Acid House genre. funny thing is the guyz in Phuture were supposedly anti-drug.
[This message has been edited by Lane (edited 27 July 2001).]