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Are men smarter than women? (merged)

NO...I don't care wtf any IQ test sez.

Women are quite obviously the Morally Superior sex, IMO.

Which sex is it that regularly starts those ThermoNuclear Pissing Contests, anyway? Could someone please refresh my memory?

If we MUST have governments, may they all be run by WOMEN!!!

Yeah. I'm a male anarchofeminist :o
 
kittyinthedark said:
^I'm specifically looking at the very, very "academically endowed" - the top 1% of students, those innately "brainy" kids. With the really, really bookish/brainy/nerdy/<insert synonym here> kids, the girls were expected to shut the hell up and stay at their desks, but the boys could still have friends and pretty much do the same as any other boy.

Even looking at the brainiest of the brainy, I still remember the girls (particularly the Indian ones, lol) being most noticeable and just as accepted- if not more, than the brainy boys. Could be a cultural thing, I guess?
 
I just spent the last few days in New York at the Clinton Global Initiative. It really was a gathering of world leaders and top representatives of the NGO world. There was very little in the way of domestic U.S. politics. The meeting was about global problems and it was pretty darn impressive.

http://www.clintonglobalinitiative.org/home.nsf/pt_home

Clinton was the master of ceremonies, and moderated some of the main panel discussions. Seeing Clinton in action thoughtfully engaging international experts on a wide range of issues invites comparison with the abilities of the present president.

I’d put the IQ differential at 30 points at least. I’d be willing to bet huge money on that.

me too!
 
Unisex brain a feminist myth

Unisex brain a feminist myth By Janet Albrechtsen


September 27, 2006 07:32am

ONLY a girl could write The Female Brain and walk away with life and reputation intact. This new book may be contentious, but in fact modern science is merely playing catch-up with what we know intuitively. Girls are different from boys.

Mind-blowing news, huh?

But here's the really brave bit: the unisex brain is a feminist fabrication. Louann Brizendine, an American neuropsychiatrist, has written a book debunking stubborn notions that girls are different only because society makes them so. It's much more to do with the brain, she says. The female brain, to be more precise.

Here's a snap brain quiz.

*Which sex uses, on average, about 20,000 words a day, in contrast to the 7000 uttered by the other sex?

*Who has two-and-a-half times the amount of brain space devoted to sexual drive, meaning they think about sex, on average, every 52 seconds?

*When their feelings are hurt by someone they love, which sex reacts by assuming the relationship is over?

*Who has larger sections of the brain for action and aggression?

If you answered, in order, women, men, women, men, you've been watching too many Woody Allen movies. Now, science is confirming that Woody was right all along.

While more than 99 per cent of male and female genetic coding is the same, it's the less than 1 per cent of difference that packs a punch in marking out women from men. Drawing upon advances in gene technology and brain-imaging techniques that have revolutionised neuroscientific research, Brizendine presents a heady cocktail of structural, chemical, genetic, hormonal and functional differences between women and men.

These biological differences explain the most basic female behaviour. For instance, why do teenage girls endlessly talk? Science suggests that connecting through conversation triggers the pleasure centres in the brain. Talking activates what Brizendine describes as the "fluffy, purring kitty... feel-good brain chemicals" – oxytocin and dopamine – which together deliver "the biggest, fastest neurological reward you can get outside of an orgasm". Maybe that explains why women like to talk during sex, perhaps looking for a double dose of delight.

OK, that last bit is not in Brizendine's book, but there is plenty that will upset the old bra-burning feminists who steadfastly refuse to allow biology to get in the way of ideology. Let's start with how girls choose a mate. According to Brizendine, "our (female) brains size up a potential partner, and if he fits our ancestral wish list, we get a jolt of chemicals that dizzy us with a rush of laser-focused attention".

And that ancestral wish list has not changed much in the past 1000 years. Brizendine points to a study of 10,000 people across 37 different cultures, that reveals women are less interested in how a man looks and more interested in his wallet and social standing. It may not fit the picture of the modern girl fending for herself but Brizendine is concerned with evidence, and not imagery. And the evidence suggests that, for all the economic and social advances women have made, the powerful desire to have and care for children means many women are still interested in finding a provider. It's part of what Brizendine calls the "inherited architecture of the female brain's mate-choice system".

Equality feminists will be even more disturbed by science that confirms what most of us already know: women are more emotional than men. Cutting to the chase, that means girls are more prone to over-reaction than boys. Were we to map the female brain, Brizendine says the connecting routes for emotion look more like super-highways, compared with the country roads you'd find inside the male brain. In a Stanford University study, when volunteers were shown emotional images while having their brains scanned, nine different areas lit up in women. In men, two areas lit up.

The author concludes that "there's no getting around the fact that women have different emotional perceptions, realities, responses and memories than do men, and these differences – based on brain circuitry and function – are at the heart of many misunderstandings". And it's in the hard-wiring of the brain, rather than environment.

Last year, Lawrence Summers, president of Harvard University, told an academic conference that his young daughter, when given two trucks in another effort of gender-neutral parenting, treated them like dolls, calling one "daddy truck" and the other "baby truck". Some in the audience reacted with disgust to Summers' address. A biologist from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology walked out, later saying leaving was the only option, otherwise "I would've either blacked out or thrown up". Another quick test: was the tetchy academic a woman or a man?

In a interview later, the biologist, Nancy Hopkins, said: "It's so upsetting that all these brilliant young women (at Harvard) are being led by a man who views them this way." Summers' leadership did not last long. The uproar came when he hypothesised that genetics, more than environment, might explain the dearth of women in science and engineering. Suggesting that genes may explain why statistical distributions of men's and women's quantitative and spatial abilities are not identical, with more men coming in at the higher end of the scale, did not go down well in academe. Lawrence was eventually hounded out of Harvard.

Not everyone was hoodwinked by ideology. Steven Pinker, a professor of psychology who teaches classes on the human mind, told The Harvard Crimson: "Good grief, shouldn't everything be within the pale of legitimate academic discourse, as long as it is presented with some degree of rigour? That's the difference between a university and a madrassa... People who storm out of a meeting at the mention of a hypothesis, or declare it taboo or offensive without providing arguments or evidence, don't get the concept of a university or free inquiry."

Talking about genetic differences between men and women has long been taboo because, according to feminist orthodoxy, if women were different it necessarily meant they were inferior. But that competition-between-the-sexes business is so old hat these days.

Ignoring the differences, and framing public policy on a pretence that women are something they are not only ends up hurting women. For instance, in the heady days of 1970s feminism, it was assumed that universal child care would free women to achieve true equality with men. We now know that many women would prefer not to outsource the raising of their children. And so we need public policy and workplace changes that recognise that biological drive.

One reviewer suggests the book is "destined to become a classic in the field of gender studies". If Harvard is anything to go by, that will have to happen outside the blinkered world of academe.

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,2359...5007146,00.html
 
Petersko said:
And it's no secret that men do tend to make up the majority of the deviates, both good and bad. Off-the-chart geniuses, AND serial killers.

one thing i remember from psych 101 was that when you compare IQ scores of men and women, you see a greater range of scores for men.

i guess thats why you can make a case for men being stupid even though clearly the brightest minds have been males
 
I've noticed it's a bit difficult for women to accept the fact, than men are generally more intelligent than women. It's not an insult towards anyone, it's just a fact. Women have the kind of urgency to argue about facts, if it seems like the facts put them in negative light.

I think this can be easily proven in a field test.
 
I'm amazed this discussion has kept going for 4 years. Surely this is the longest running thread in BL history?

I think that women are more intelligent in certain areas than men but more is expected from men in society generally, so thats why at the very top you see males that are more intelligent than females.
 
>>I've noticed it's a bit difficult for women to accept the fact, than men are generally more intelligent than women.>>

Probably because this "fact" is on much contested ground.

>>Women have the kind of urgency to argue about facts, if it seems like the facts put them in negative light.>>

Wouldn't you?

>>I think this can be easily proven in a field test.>>

Of what sort?

>> find excessively smart men too egotistical.>>

let me prove you wrong. we can be very self-effacing in the right contexts. :)


ebola
 
I havent read this whole thread but in my opinion i would say that yes i generally find men more adapted to logical thinking, to knowing how things work and why they work. At being able to isolate problems and break them down to solve them.

So in this sense i do find them smarter. But that doesnt mean that women don't have their own area of expertise such as being able to understand and know when people are under emotional stress and knowing how to comfort them. Being able to intuitively respond to child demands and having the capacity for good organisational skills and language. Also women are much better (smarter?) at showing love and giving love, bringing the family together and making a loving home atmosphere....what could be more important than that?

I think women and men ARE different in their roles and thats OK, we complement each other nicely :) i dont know why we are always opposing these genetic differences, we should be embracing them and appreciating what the other gender brings into our lives!
 
>>we should be embracing them and appreciating what the other gender brings into our lives!>>

Why don't we just appreciate what other INDIVIDUALS bring to our lives, rather than aggregated averages of particular genders?

ebola
 
^^^ of course that would be ideal but we arent talking about individuals, this thread was specifically for gender differences unless i'm mistaken. Obviously you missed my point.
 
since our society seems to have a limited definition of "intelligence" it's hard to say who is more intelligent or why.

the highly valued abilities/intelligences are all logistical - math, sciences and language.

generally male thinking is associated with the left brain while the female thought process is more associated with the right..

so perhaps since people tend to focus more on "male" subjects, men are sterotyped as being more intelligent.



i think that it's easier to determine what type of thinker a person is based on simple personality traits than gender or race... there's no formula for genius, but i think certain personality archetypes are prone to developing certain types of intelligence.

also i think how intelligent or special a person is percieved to be is dependent on the personal values/preferences of the observer. some people value creativity to a high degree, some value systematic logic..etc..
 
http://paulcooijmans.lunarpages.com/stat/sex.html

Among adults men have higher average IQs than women by about 4 IQ points. This advantage consists largely of higher spatial abilities but is also present in non-verbal reasoning. In two meta-analyses of sex differences on the Progressive Matrices carried out with Paul Irwing (2004, 2005) we showed that in the general population men have a higher IQs than women by 5 IQ points, and in university students the advantage of men is 4.6 IQ points.

He has overturned the century long consensus that there is no sex difference in intelligence by showing that men have a higher average IQ than women by approximately 5 IQ points (Lynn and Irwing, 2004). But I would guess that the present book documenting global race differences in intelligence and analysing how these have evolved will come to be seen as his crowning achievement.

http://www.rlynn.co.uk/

Economists and other social scientists have been trying to solve the problem of why some nations are so rich and others so poor since Adam Smith’s The Wealth of Nations (1776). We argue that an important but hitherto unrecognised factor is the IQs of the populations. We give measures and estimates of average IQs in the world’s 185 nations and show that national IQs are strongly related to national incomes and rates of economic growth. The principal reason for this is that nations whose populations have high IQs can produce goods and services that command high values in international markets.

His conclusions are that the East Asians (Chinese, Japanese and Koreans) have the highest mean IQ at 105. These are followed by the Europeans (IQ 100). Some way below these are the Inuit (Eskimos) (IQ 91), South East Asians (IQ 87), Native American Indians (IQ 87), Pacific Islanders (IQ 85), South Asians and North Africans (IQ 84). Well below these come the sub-Saharan Africans (IQ 67) followed by the Australian Aborigines (IQ 62). The least intelligent races are the Bushmen of the Kalahari desert together with the Pygmies of the Congo rain forests (IQ 54).
 
I've just skimmed through this thread but there is a lot of misinformation being thrown around. This post is written from the perspective of a psychologist conducting research in this area.

Firstly, intelligence IS something that can be defined. Intelligence refers to cognitive ability, that is, intellectual intelligence distinct from personality traits and artistic/musical/sporting/personal skills. Research on intelligence tests has discovered that when we give a large battery of ability tests - such as spatial tasks, verbal tasks, logic tasks, reasoning tasks, general knowledge, etc. All the different aptitude tests correlate with ONE single factor - this is accomplished through the statistical technique of factor analysis. This single factor, nicknamed the 'g' factor is short for general intelligence and believed to be the single best measure of intellect. Furthermore 'g' has been shown to have a significant heritable component through studies of monozygotic twins separated at birth (correlations between 0.5 - 0.8 ).

Why are we so confident that this 'g' factor is a valid measure of intelligence? Quite simply, the evidence. 'g' correlates highly with academic success, occupational success, different IQ and aptitude tests (IQ scores from different IQ tests show a strong correlation, despite different content), speed of processing and brain size.

Tests said to have the highest 'g' loading are IQ tests such as Raven's Progressive Matrices and the Cattell Culture Fair Test. These abstract, visual reasoning tasks are said to display no cultural bias and be the best single measure of an individual's general intelligence (g). These tests ask no knowledge based questions or require any mathematical/verbal computation. They are simply novel, abstract problem solving tasks. These are tests of fluid intelligence (short-term problem solving ability). In contrast, crystallized intelligence is long-term knowledge.

It should be noted that when we abstract 'g' from IQ tests that contain a wide variety of subset tests, we are obtaining measures of both fluid and crystallized intelligence. However, the over-ruling majority of the tests are fluid intelligence questions. Despite this 'cultural/educational/socio-economic disadvantage' these multi-test IQ tests correlate very highly with 'g'-loaded tests such as Raven's matrices. Hence, we as psychologists are confident that this measure of intelligence (g) is a valid measure and also, that IQ tests really are measuring 'intelligence'.

Secondly, sex differences in intelligence or IQ. Men and women do differ in the specific abilities that make up IQ tests. It is usually found men display better spatial skills, particularly in mental rotation tasks. Females typically perform better in verbal IQ questions. As such, it is easy to design IQ tests so that men or women score higher. It is also easy to USE IQ tests so that men or women score higher (which has been done quite frequently!). The important factor to note is that when administered high 'g' loaded tests - males and females score equally - that is, a standardized average of 100.

There is a huge amount of research out there claiming males are smarter than females. However, all it takes is a little critical thinking to see that these results are not applicable. Unfortunately, there are several factors which complicate this matter - leading to a lot of misinformation. Firstly, men and women's brains do differ! Not only in their size (men's brain are bigger..even when controlling for other factors) but also in their organisation (white and gray matter...frontal cortex structure). Secondly, men seem to be overrepresented in certain occupations and fields (mathematics/engineering/science/etc) - which are claimed by some to be 'harder' or requiring more intelligence. Thirdly, men seem to be overrepresented at the extreme scales of intelligence. That is, there seems to be more men at the lower end of the IQ scale, and more at the higher end of the IQ scale. This could be due to a huge variety of factors - such as the increased rate of autism in males, environmental factors or various prenatal hormones which develop the brain. I am not going to go into these factors as they are irrelevant to my argument!

The important point to take home is that large scale studies (80,000+ participants) on sex differences in IQ have shown no difference.In Deary's famous analysis of Scottish students the IQ for males was 100.48 and for girls was 100.64. This difference was not significant! Males did however show more variance (something I have already covered).

While many sexist researchers will claim otherwise, it is quite easy to combine various sets of IQ data from different populations/backgrounds/tests and make it so that males appear to have higher scores. Heck, it probably isn't even intentional. It just takes a little critical thinking to realize that maybe all these meta-analyzes don't really prove that men have higher IQs that women but are unique trait of the sample in the study. More importantly, environmental factors cannot be ruled out. Which brings me to my next point, regarding race..

Richard Lynn is a racist researcher. Differences in race IQs literally mean NOTHING. Race is an ambiguous term and displays no clear biological boundaries. We cannot generalize IQ scores to races and claim one race is more intelligent than another. While 'g' is heritable, this does not mean differences in IQ between races are genetic! The environment plays a HUGE role in both the brain's development and intelligence. This is demonstrated by orphans from poor countries (which typically show low average IQ) raised in other countries only for their IQ to raise dramatically. Environmental factors are massive.

His conclusions are that the East Asians (Chinese, Japanese and Koreans) have the highest mean IQ at 105. These are followed by the Europeans (IQ 100). Some way below these are the Inuit (Eskimos) (IQ 91), South East Asians (IQ 87), Native American Indians (IQ 87), Pacific Islanders (IQ 85), South Asians and North Africans (IQ 84). Well below these come the sub-Saharan Africans (IQ 67) followed by the Australian Aborigines (IQ 62). The least intelligent races are the Bushmen of the Kalahari desert together with the Pygmies of the Congo rain forests (IQ 54).

This above quote is evidence of how dramatic effect the environment can have on intellectual cognitive ability.

I hope I have cleared up some light on some common conceptions. Current intelligence researchers around the world (at least the respectable ones) do NOT believe there are significant intelligence differences between males and females. Nor do they believe race differences in IQ reflect anything more than environmental factors.

More so, I hope I have shown that IQ tests really are measuring a cognitive capability and aren't merely tools to big up higher socioeconomic people or discourage other races.
 
[edited]Women may have better study habits but men have on average higher IQ mean scores than women. Remember, Eve was created from the rib of Adam, meaning that men came first before women, just as men will win the continual battle of the sexes time after time because we have been its winner since day 1 and still are at year 2007.
 
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go-ee said:
I hope I have cleared up some light on some common conceptions. Current intelligence researchers around the world (at least the respectable ones) do NOT believe there are significant intelligence differences between males and females. Nor do they believe race differences in IQ reflect anything more than environmental factors.

on the contrary you have just muddied the water.

both your last 2 statements are absolutely incorrect, not only in my opinion, but according to the books i have read or statements on the internet.

as you point out IQ tests are calibrated so that M / F IQ's both have a mean of 100 but they do this by loading the verbal section in particular to bring about that result.

if you bothered to read this whole thread you will find many posters who realise the SD of IQ results differs with M vs F.
 
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I'm not going to get into a petty argument over stuff you have read on the internet. I am currently doing a PhD in this area of study. I've been to talks by some of the leading researchers (including several you have posted studies from) and I stand by every point I have made. If you care to challenge any particular point I made (instead of just saying it's 'absolutely incorrect') I'd be more than happy to provide sources for you to read.

as you point out IQ tests are calibrated so that M / F IQ's both have a mean of 100 but they do this by loading the verbal section in particular to bring about that result.

if you bothered to read this whole thread you will find many posters who realise the SD of IQ results differs with M vs F.

Firstly, I know. What's your point? I mentioned that. The fact of the matter is that on tests with a high 'g' loading such as the Ravens. Large studies have shown there to be no difference between the sexes. Secondly, I noticed that many posters realise the SD of IQ differs between the sexes. I never questioned this and even stated it in my post.

I wrote my post to shed some common misconceptions about 'intelligence' and research on intelligence. Specifically, that psychologists researching intelligence are sexist and racist. Psychologists focused on finding differences between the sexes or different races are missing the point. Research on intelligence should be focused upon the cognitive (modules..executive functions..working memory..etc), physiological (brain size..neural speed..etc), and evolutionary mechanisms which have led us to the stage of being able to perform IQ tests rather than proving one particular group of people to be more intelligent than another.
 
http://www.edge.org/q2006/q06_3.html

STEVEN PINKER
Psychologist, Harvard University; Author, The Blank Slate

Groups of people may differ genetically in their average talents and temperaments

The year 2005 saw several public appearances of what will I predict will become the dangerous idea of the next decade: that groups of people may differ genetically in their average talents and temperaments.

* In January, Harvard president Larry Summers caused a firestorm when he cited research showing that women and men have non-identical statistical distributions of cognitive abilities and life priorities.

* In March, developmental biologist Armand Leroi published an op-ed in the New York Times rebutting the conventional wisdom that race does not exist. (The conventional wisdom is coming to be known as Lewontin's Fallacy: that because most genes may be found in all human groups, the groups don't differ at all. But patterns of correlation among genes do differ between groups, and different clusters of correlated genes correspond well to the major races labeled by common sense. )

* In June, the Times reported a forthcoming study by physicist Greg Cochran, anthropologist Jason Hardy, and population geneticist Henry Harpending proposing that Ashkenazi Jews have been biologically selected for high intelligence, and that their well-documented genetic diseases are a by-product of this evolutionary history.

* In September, political scientist Charles Murray published an article in Commentary reiterating his argument from The Bell Curve that average racial differences in intelligence are intractable and partly genetic.

Whether or not these hypotheses hold up (the evidence for gender differences is reasonably good, for ethnic and racial differences much less so), they are widely perceived to be dangerous. Summers was subjected to months of vilification, and proponents of ethnic and racial differences in the past have been targets of censorship, violence, and comparisons to Nazis. Large swaths of the intellectual landscape have been reengineered to try to rule these hypotheses out a priori (race does not exist, intelligence does not exist, the mind is a blank slate inscribed by parents). The underlying fear, that reports of group differences will fuel bigotry, is not, of course, groundless.

The intellectual tools to defuse the danger are available. "Is" does not imply "ought. " Group differences, when they exist, pertain to the average or variance of a statistical distribution, rather than to individual men and women. Political equality is a commitment to universal human rights, and to policies that treat people as individuals rather than representatives of groups; it is not an empirical claim that all groups are indistinguishable. Yet many commentators seem unwilling to grasp these points, to say nothing of the wider world community.

Advances in genetics and genomics will soon provide the ability to test hypotheses about group differences rigorously. Perhaps geneticists will forbear performing these tests, but one shouldn't count on it. The tests could very well emerge as by-products of research in biomedicine, genealogy, and deep history which no one wants to stop.

The human genomic revolution has spawned an enormous amount of commentary about the possible perils of cloning and human genetic enhancement. I suspect that these are red herrings. When people realize that cloning is just forgoing a genetically mixed child for a twin of one parent, and is not the resurrection of the soul or a source of replacement organs, no one will want to do it. Likewise, when they realize that most genes have costs as well as benefits (they may raise a child's IQ but also predispose him to genetic disease), "designer babies" will lose whatever appeal they have. But the prospect of genetic tests of group differences in psychological traits is both more likely and more incendiary, and is one that the current intellectual community is ill-equipped to deal with.

"for ethnic and racial differences much less so" > maybe he does not want to get fired ( ala summers ) for politically incorrect opinions.

go-ee said:
The important point to take home is that large scale studies (80,000+ participants) on sex differences in IQ have shown no difference.In Deary's famous analysis of Scottish students the IQ for males was 100.48 and for girls was 100.64. This difference was not significant! Males did however show more variance (something I have already covered).

never heard of that one but Lynne quotes "In comparison RDiI now lists data for 23 majority black countries in and outside of Africa, as well as data for Diaspora blacks in 5 mostly nonblack nations, for a total of 155 different studies and a combined sample of 387,286 people." as he does in many other cases. also Herrnstein & Murray quote multiple studies in the Bell Curve.

i suggest you transfer to another University as the Faculty at yours seems very out of date.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_and_intelligence

Deary et al. (2003) performed an analysis of an IQ test administered to almost all children in Scotland at age 11 in 1932 (>80,000).[12] The average IQ scores by sex were 100.64 for girls and 100.48 for boys.

you conveniently did not mention the study involved 11 year olds! how quaint.

females mature earlier than males & the differences in mean IQ's is generally only held to be applicable from about 18 upwards.
 
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Hi xtcxtc,

While I admire your ability to post articles and believe you're probably an intelligent person.. please have an open mind when you read this reply. People can be notoriously stubborn in their beliefs about intelligence and insist differences between groups must be innate. It should also be noted that my opinion isn't right (this is science after all) and that many other scientists will disagree with me. My post was saying that the respectable researchers of intelligence take studies on race/sex differences by people such as Richard Lynn and John Rushton with a grain of salt. When bombarded with large amounts of IQ scores from different groups, it becomes easy (or logical?) for some people to infer innate differences exist.

Let's have a look at the article you posted by the famous evolutionary psychologist Steven Pinker. It must be noted, his choice of studies/talks/books are notoriously bad for such a well renowned scientist. The Bell Curve by Richard Herrnstein and Charles Murray has been brutally torn apart for years by scientists from all fields. The Ashkenazi Jew study has been massacred as well. The sample sizes of Ashkenazi Jews (in IQ studies) range from very small to small :)

More so, Steven Pinker did not conduct any of the research he is discussing and is merely stating the idea that differences between different groups of people is a controversial idea. No where does he state that men and women differ in their average general intelligence (g) but rather men and women have non-identical statistical distributions of their cognitive abilities. This i well known and I stated this in my post.

'Race' has always been a controversial topic in science. There are many that say it has no clear boundaries and others that argue that meaningful differences exist between different races. Depending on what type of scientist you ask, you can see rates of between 50-80% disagreeing with the notion that race is a meaningful classification. My post wasn't trying to discuss the validity of the term race.

never heard of that one but Lynne quotes "In comparison RDiI now lists data for 23 majority black countries in and outside of Africa, as well as data for Diaspora blacks in 5 mostly nonblack nations, for a total of 155 different studies and a combined sample of 387,286 people." as he does in many other cases. also Herrnstein & Murray quote multiple studies in the Bell Curve.

i suggest you transfer to another University as the Faculty at yours seems very out of date.

Thank you for the increased text size, it made this segment much easier to read. However, it did nothing for the actual content of your message. I'm well aware of the research of Richard Lynn and the conclusions he has formed. Thanks for the recommendation to change University but I am content where I am. Nothing you have said I have not heard before..millions of times. My University conducts a lot of research on intelligence (under a very famous academic in the area) however its focus is on 'meaningful' aspects of intelligence, such as its physiological and cognitive components rather than statistical analysis that supposedly proves men to be smarter than women or whites to be smarter than blacks.

Let's have a look at some of Richard Lynn's ideas (who you frequently post studies from). He believes that he has shown that skin colour in African Americans (as an indication of the degree of Caucasian inheritance) predicts IQ. He believes that a higher proportion of white genes (indicated by lighter skin colour) is associated with higher IQ. He found a correlation between lighter skin colour and IQ of 0.2.

0.2 ....considering that MRI studies have obtained correlations between brain size and IQ of 0.4-0.5. This point should really highlight the need for intelligence research to focus on testable hypotheses (such as physiological and cognitive components) rather than labels (male/female/black/white).

In a 2003 paper by Lynn focusing on correlational studies of skin colour and IQ, he describes the work of Shuey as the first to approach and decipher the earliest research in that area. A series of 18 studies carried out in the 1920s presented only four studies with a correlation. Whether this correlation was significant of an association between skin colour and intelligence, was left undetermined. Lynn also refers to a later study carried out in the 70's by Scarr, Pakstis, Katz and Barker, where 288 twins between the ages of 10 and 16 were evaluated. Five intelligence tests were administered. Scarr et al., found none of the correlations to be statistically significant.

you conveniently did not mention the study involved 11 year olds! how quaint.

females mature earlier than males & the differences in mean IQ's is generally only held to be applicable from about 18 upwards.

The idea that females mature earlier than males is controversial and lacking of strong evidence. You will find academics that say both things. More so, many consider IQ to be static your whole life and that differences can be applied at a young age (such as 11). Once again, you will find people argue over these issues continuously.

A lot of the controversy in this area of research comes down to statistics. Let me provide you with an analogy so you can see the complexity of determining causation from data.

CRIMINALITY

Do criminals have lower IQ's?

Or do lower IQ criminals simply get caught more often?

Or did the environment before jail lower IQ (poor SES, no education, drug abuse, physical abuse, poor nutrition)?

Does the environment people face after jail lower their IQ (discrimination, prejudice, mental scarring, unemployment)?

Do all these factors combine to influence IQ?

Is there biases in IQ testing of criminals?

Does low IQ predispose individuals at risk to be criminal?

Is it genetic?
Environmental?
Or Both?

While the analogy isn't perfect by any means. Hopefully you can see the connections it has with sex and race. More so, hopefully you can appreciate the complexity of intelligence testing between groups and that studies claiming 'x to be smarter than y' are not particularly meaningful or valid.
 
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