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Heroin is probably considered to be the most euphoric opiate. Keeping this in mind, I wonder if heroin users are the happiest people in the world? If they are under the influence every day?

Just wondering! :unsure:
 
Survival0200 said:
Heroin is probably considered to be the most euphoric opiate. Keeping this in mind, I wonder if heroin users are the happiest people in the world? If they are under the influence every day?

Just wondering! :unsure:
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If they're in that ten minute window after getting high for the first time in a day or some time, maybe. But most of the rest of the time, being addicted to heroin is pretty damn miserable on so many levels.
 
Survival0200 said:
Heroin is probably considered to be the most euphoric opiate. Keeping this in mind, I wonder if heroin users are the happiest people in the world? If they are under the influence every day?

Just wondering! :unsure:
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In moderation .... I would say a profound Yes !!
 
Being stable on a reliable quality of heroin allowing for dependable dosing is a rare privilege in this world.

From personal experience, even having that, being actually happy in my life is better on a day to day basis and more reliable even than having a steady supply. Euphoria is not happiness, despite what the Calvin & Hobbes cartoon says.
 
Yes, opiates are taken for maintenance and induce a state of apathy in most heroin users. Look at their blank faces. It is better to feel apathetic than to feel negatively from PTSD, pain, fear, sadness etc. I noticed that when I am high I rarely naturally will be smiling, even in a social group, I only will smile if I remember to or someone says something really funny.

I will be grinnng ear to ear though on 2cb, mdmda or lsd
 
I despise the apathy and as you point out, many people are use it to numb themselves. Iā€™ve never encountered an opioid user I would call happy. All of them are anxious and/or depressed, to varying extents. Which is not to say such people canā€™t still be functional, and sometimes being an opioid addict/dependent is better than the alternative, but theyā€™re (weā€™re) rarely living their best lives.
 
Street opioid/Heroin user's? No.
Generally more depressed, anxious and have higher suicide rates.


In Switzerland they checked the mental health of the population and compared it to the people there that are on prescription Heroin maintenance and they found that those on the Heroin had on average better mental health.
Lower rates of anxiety, depression and other mental illnesses.

I can't remember if they were more happier on average or not though.
 
Gaz_hmmmm said:
Street opioid/Heroin user's? No.
Generally more depressed, anxious and have higher suicide rates.


In Switzerland they checked the mental health of the population and compared it to the people there that are on prescription Heroin maintenance and they found that those on the Heroin had on average better mental health.
Lower rates of anxiety, depression and other mental illnesses.

I can't remember if they were more happier on average or not though.
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The Swiss heroin addicts on prescription maintenance are a very special group. They have to have been decade long addicts at least who have tried all the other opioid maintenance therapies without success. I donā€™t think that we can extrapolate all that much from this small group relative to all heroin users. If they do truly have superior mental health relative to the general population, I would guess that that is due to them having overcome more obstacles and thus achieving self-growth.
 
Heroin, Morphine and most of the other opioids brought me more joy than any drug I ever used. Assuming I had a life time supply from a known good source (pharma grade) I would be content for the rest of my life. I'd take functional doses during the day then hopefully drift off to sleep with wonderful nod+morphine dreams.

The issue with heroin/morphine isn't the drug itself. It's everything that comes a long with it. Like waking up every morning in full blown withdrawal, spending all your money on it as supply dwindles and cash runs low, the risk that there is no supply at all when you need it the most and the things it makes you do/think about doing to score you next hit when you're in the depths of horrible horrible withdraws.

But if I had a life time supply, say from a Star Trek-like replicator in my home and the ability to formulate an extended release version (of whatever opioid) that would ensure I never woke up in withdrawal I'd be very very happy. At least for a little while. Of all the drugs of long term abuse heroin/morphine itself is probably one of the safest substances you can put into your body everyday. Assuming there is no combination drug like Tylenol in the tablets and assuming you can stay away from the needle. Well that and assuming you're careful not to push the dose up too high too fast to cause an overdose or mixing it with alcohol/benzos/etc that could kill you from respiratory failure.

"Content" is a better word to use instead of "happy". Opioids don't take away pain really they just make you not care about any pain you might be feeling. They don't enhance activities they just make you not really care if you're not enjoying or doing well at activates. They don't give you more happiness they just dull things like disappointment and other negative emotions. In time it's the only activity you want to partake in at all. You become so content you're perfectly okay with laying in your bed all day doing opioids while your life passes you by. You start to no longer care about things like making time for friends/family, having sex, participating in your hobbies, creating things. Your life revolves solely about doing and acquiring more of the drug. Which is why everyone always ends up having a bad time once they've been using for a long time. But those honeymoon days are really really nice. It's too bad they don't last forever. Even if you take long breaks from using opioids there is a bit of magic loss with them. You might be clean for years and use again. Get one of those amazing nods. But a day or two later your tolerance is jacked back up to its old level and even that one-two good days you get returning are never like the honeymoon phase.
 
Survival0200 said:
Heroin is probably considered to be the most euphoric opiate. Keeping this in mind, I wonder if heroin users are the happiest people in the world? If they are under the influence every day?

Just wondering! :unsure:
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I'll say like heroin is the best when you first start using it. Once you get a decade or so in you get like one good hour a day maybe or less. Then I usually just lay in bed and sleep or do more. It makes cigarettes nice I guess I wouldn't say that I'm the happiest person on earth.

Opiates do have the power to neutralize emotions, I think ketamine Is better for that theraputically.
 
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