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Are all white people racist? Who is?

cduggles said:
white privilege is real, absolutely. It’s a very touchy subject with many white people, especially males. ? Why is it a big deal to admit that?
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It is NO issue to me & to call it that is kinda wrong in my view.
Yes white folks went around robbing other people & tossed them into slavery etc, well that is life & history. I am from the UK & we are well known for taking stuff off other people & I personally feel NO SHAME in what people did several hundred years ago before I was born. People as a general rule are fucking nasty, people still rob off others now & put people into slavery etc..........

Now here comes my main point on why I hate the term "white privilege" in this day & the way cduggles used it, go take a good look around you & see where you see the general population that is white with vast privilege. I'll take you to the city close to me & you'll see poverty on a scale you NEVER felt would be possible in the UK, the people living in these estates are white & black.........."white privilege" is for the 1%'ers.
 
Zopiclone bandit said:
Now here comes my main point on why I hate the term "white privilege" in this day & the way cduggles used it, go take a good look around you & see where you see the general population that is white with vast privilege. I'll take you to the city close to me & you'll see poverty on a scale you NEVER felt would be possible in the UK, the people living in these estates are white & black.........."white privilege" is for the 1%'ers.
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I wasn’t having a go at you dear. ? I just noticed that a lot of people, especially males, have an issue with the concept.

I’m not talking about history. I’m talking about disparities in health outcomes, healthcare, SES, employment opportunities, etc. that cannot be accounted for by any other factor than race.

So... I have never denied that white people can be quite poor, nor have I denied that the stagnation of the economy, particularly the manufacturing sector, in a number of Western countries, has decimated many communities.

It doesn’t erase the disparities, which are controlled for by socioeconomic status (i.e. rich black Americans have worse health outcomes than their white counterparts).

That’s what I meant in part.
 
Is it really that hard to see folks?
Who cares if YOU are black, white, pink, yellow with strange stripes like a Zebra over your body etc?
It is this fucking agenda that has us to label others on this planet as "black" "gay" "trans" "white" etc that is what keeps us apart.

The people at the top push this agenda to be left or right, militant pro-trans or whatever the latest thing is today to keep us apart BECAUSE if we as a race sat down for a day & actually opened our eyes we would see how such a small group have to be blunt fucked us like £1 whores & we would get pissed off & go out to chop off some heads.

Under the sky we are ALL one family
 
cduggles said:
Acknowledging structural differences for different minority groups is important, tho.
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Sure it is. If you've some kind of ill-gotten advantage over others, pay it back. Right now.
When you've made restitution, no more problem, and don't go ripping people off again, you hear me?
 
cduggles said:
I’m talking about disparities in health outcomes, healthcare, SES, employment opportunities, etc. that cannot be accounted for by any other factor than race.
It doesn’t erase the disparities, which are controlled for by socioeconomic status (i.e. rich black Americans have worse health outcomes than their white counterparts).
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And who pulls the strings on these matters I wonder?;)
 
Derschieber said:
Sure it is. If you've some kind of ill-gotten advantage over others, pay it back. Right now.
When you've made restitution, no more problem, and don't go ripping people off again, you hear me?
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I think you are being silly, but I’ll answer you seriously. ?
The first step is to understand systemic disparities, both in daily life and in terms of the literature.
The second is to work towards correcting those behaviors, both in our own lives and to address systemic disparities.
I’m good with it. ?
 
@cduggles I'm not being silly. You are advocating for "equality of outcomes". That is the far extremity of the left. When you speak about "addressing systemic disparities", what that actually entails is violent revolution, even if you do not realize it. This has always resulted in millions slaughtered. Every time.
Are you good with it? ?
 
Derschieber said:
I understand the sentiment...even at times I have the urge to do that...only my head needs chopping off too. Like Linkola, I should start with myself.
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I feel you 99.9% on that one.
The issue is so many damn people are entrenched in this rubbish " identity politics" where they feel they are part of a group that is oppressed & then feel the need to do the same to others that don't fit their view the world has gone mad.

I used to really hold hope the planet in my late 20's but as I've got older I want to see the mushroom cloud each morning, these days people are so stupid & mentally ill / damaged there really is no hope but to start again with humanity.

The day I was verbally abused by some really shady looking tranny pushed me over the edge, I had no fucking idea what "cis gender" was till I Google checked it & I burst out laughing upon learning what it is & I've been given some right shit on BL too from these militant trans people before too as one example.

"I'm (insert whatever sexual identity & ethnicity is cool today) types make me want to go filling their stupid heads with rounds from a AR-15 I swear to God.
 
Derschieber said:
@cduggles I'm not being silly. You are advocating for "equality of outcomes". That is the far extremity of the left. When you speak about "addressing systemic disparities", what that actually entails is violent revolution, even if you do not realize it. This has always resulted in millions slaughtered. Every time.
Are you good with it? ?
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Derschieber said:
@cduggles I'm not being silly. You are advocating for "equality of outcomes". That is the far extremity of the left. When you speak about "addressing systemic disparities", what that actually entails is violent revolution, even if you do not realize it. This has always resulted in millions slaughtered. Every time.
Are you good with it? ?
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No, because I’m not advocating for equality of outcomes. I’m arguing for equality of the likelihood of outcomes, which is a stark difference to me.
 
cduggles said:
No, because I’m not advocating for equality of outcomes. I’m arguing for equality of the likelihood of outcomes, which is a stark difference to me.
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Hey, that's tricky wording. I am suspicious ?
Equality of opportunity has traditionally been considered the gold standard among normal, civilized people.
Leftist extremism/Communism aims for equality of outcome.

You desire equality of the likelihood of outcome? The likelihood of an outcome is always the same. There is an outcome for every individual. Ultimately death.
So I do not understand what you mean exactly.
 
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Here’s what I mean:

A wealthy black man with private health insurance goes to a doctor, gets treatment (is treated with dignity, because, as addicts know, getting treated with respect goes a long way towards ever wanting to go to the doctor), receives appropriate care (this is where the doctor’s biases come in), and walks out. It seems simple, but it doesn’t happen.

So, I’d like to intervene in creative ways to make the interaction more positive.

A lot of this is sociology, and certainly it is possible to do better. Because we’re not just talking about a nice trip to the doctor. We’re talking about quality and quantity of life.
 
I understood it as cdugs saying she desires everyone to have the same amount of chance to have a positive outcome. At the moment there are communities where the likelihood of having a peaceful, comfortable life is very low, because of a variety of reasons. Someone born in these communities has a very low percentage chance of escaping a violent life, of not going to prison, and so on. The reasons for this are complex and we should be trying to address them.

I think it's just another way of saying "equality of opportunity".

TheLoveBandit said:
Same happened in Florida where I grew up. Tens of thousands of snowbirds retired from Northern and Midwestern states and then complained Florida wasn't like it was back home. DUH. But then they go about trying to turn it into what they left. SMDH. I better stop here, as I'm about to get bent out of shape on people telling others what they can or should do in their own homes.
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In my town, droves of people are retiring from Florida, and they're trying to turn this beautiful and unique place into Orlando. Fucking pisses me off. If you love Florida so much, why don't you go back, and leave us alone?

Zopiclone bandit said:
All white people are racist is honestly the most stupid thing I've heard ever
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Yeah I agree. It's also racist, because it's attributing a negative quality to all people of a particular race.

However most people on the left don't believe that crap. Pointing out a handful of people saying it is not evidence that it is what "leftists" believe.

I hate the term "leftist", by the way. I hate all the blanket terms that have been attributed to the "sides" and are used to drum up bad feelings and increase the tribalism situation.
 
Derschieber said:
Equality of opportunity is has traditionally been considered the gold standard among normal people.
Leftist extremism/Communism aims for equality of outcome.
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I’m neither normal nor leftist extremist Communism. I’m addressing things through my training and with desire to create equal likelihood of outcome.

We are at the whims of the vagaries of chance, but in terms of man-made systems, we can intervene .
 
cduggles said:
(this is where the doctor’s biases come in)
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lol...so you're saying wealthy black men don't get the same treatment as non-wealthy white men from white doctors, because of systemic racism?

You want to cure the doctor of his wrong-think, and you'll have to send him and all the others like him to one of your re-education camps. Hopefully not in Siberia this time.

create equal likelihood of outcome... in terms of man-made systems, we can intervene . This is just thinly disguised socialism, candy-wrapped Communism.
It is not enough in your view that we have equal opportunities. If it were, you would simply say so.
You can only achieve your goals with violence, underhandedness. It is devious and predictably leads to murder as it has done every single time.
Even if you do not realize it.
 
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