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A store is responsible for testing the products they sell?
Responsibility obviously goes to the manufacturer, who needs to place rules on how the product is to be sold.
 
pmoseman said:
A store is responsible for testing the products they sell?
Responsibility obviously goes to the manufacturer, who needs to place rules on how the product is to be sold.
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Yeah, my analogy not only was very poorly chosen, but indeed plain wrong. Should have read my reply twice before I posted, I didn't think that one through. That really doesn't help in making my point =D

I do however believe that dealers have their responsibility in making sure their product is sound, as do manufacturers. It wouldn't be necessary if there was good quality assurance in the manufacturing process and all the way down the line but reality is that there isn't any. Dealers know this all too well, though they may not be aware their particular product is not what they are advertising and is toxic. And in my opinion because they are well aware of this lack of control higher up the food chain and of the fact that adulterated product can cause a lot of harm, they too should be held accountable for whatever harm was caused by their unwillingness to verify their product

The biggest culprits here are the manufacturers and the people that cut the substance along the way obviously, don't get me wrong. They are the cause of all this. I was just reacting to statements that the dealer isn't to blame. He is making money off his sales after all, so he should be absolutely sure he is selling what he claims he is selling. Truth in advertising plus safety of his customers. If his manufacturer won't verify, he should.

In a store this is not needed indeed as quality assurance happens higher up the chain and is strictly regulated and because usually nobody makes alterations to the product along the way to the store. If hypothetically for some reason the slaughterhouses won't assure the quality of meat and are known to supply bad meat, my butcher should either take responsibility and verify quality himself or he should advertise "could be cat, could be dog, could be diseased, could be rotten, could be something else than meat entirely... Buy at own risk". And then it would be my responsibility fully if I do decide to buy a steak. What he should not do is continue selling "premium steak" without any verification this claim is true...
 
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Buying illegally is a dangerous business and you should expect to get ripped off. "Buyer Beware" is stamped all over any deal.
 
That doesn't mean you shouldn't blame the dealer for ripping you off or selling you something dangerous. A knowledgeable end user always verifies quality himself, so in a way indeed the end user is to blame too, but so is the dealer
 
I guess the missing link in getting a good product is that you have no way of contacting anyone beyond your immediate connection, so you do not know what product they received. Ideally it is everyone's responsibility to check what they got.

I forget the story we are talking about, but I think someone was sold "acid" but was actually sold n-bome. So I assume a person ordered n-bome and is directly responsible for selling it as acid, but it is rather simple to create a middle man who will keep a secret, who are not testing the product, and are selling it to users who do not test their product. If a user busts their dealer you just get a new dealer selling n-bome again and the old dealer you caught finds a new client. As a user you have to stay quiet about everything as well, whether you are recommending a good dealer or warning about a bad dealer. Then you have the users who make up stories and claim to test products.

It is always a mess. You can't really expect to get compensated for a bad deal. It is nearly impossible to even sell back the product; better than getting killed by some random thug. There is no real justice to be had. You never know who to believe and it is fairly simple to concoct some story to cover your wrong-doing.

In legal cash-in-hand deals, like buying a boat on-line, you have legal documents and manufacturing codes to go by. The minute you start complaining about missing paperwork the whole scheme unravels because people know they will be held accountable. No story is going to hold up when you have a date and a signature to go by, but even then you have fake identities and all that nonsense to worry about.
 
Very true indeed. It's all a numbers game and there are a huge amount of factors to be taken into account because of the complexity of the market. You know shit like this can happen when you do drugs and aren't careful. And what happened happened, so it's pointless to start throwing around blame anyway, nobody relevant will read this and the guy the story is about stays dead just the same

I just cringed a bit when reading statements that he dealer should not be blamed as he was (probably) unaware of what he was selling. The dealer is the last link in the chain between manufacture and consumption. In a way he is the one that causes the most direct damage to the user. Up until the drugs reached him they caused no harm to anyone apart from harm caused by the drug trade itself, though the manufacturer and anyone altering the drugs along the way know that they will cause harm at some point. Furthermore he is aware of what adulterated drugs are capable of doing to users, more so than the manufacturer because he sees it up close or even experienced it himself once. He also knows how heavily contaminated the supply chain is. This creates an automatic obligation in my opinion, more so because he gets paid for it. Following this logic I think that he is very much to blame, almost as much as the manufacturer and more than the end user

If dealers decide to test and be honest they become a force that nullifies the malafide actions of an entire supply chain, without any quality control needed higher up the chain, by only doing something what I deem to be a dealers' responsibility and a drug users' right, bought with the money he paid for the drugs

As you say a perfect scenario would be quality control at every link in the chain, but in reality if just the dealers would do this, there would be absolutely no cases of people ingesting some other psychoactive substance than they were expecting and suffering because of it

The only reason that the drug world is the drug world, is because some ass-wipe wrote on a piece of paper that drugs are illegal. Why does that automatically mean that we should treat this any different than any other matter that is not illegal? I just do not get why illegality to a manufacturer/supplier/dealer automatically means "let's forget our humanity". You can call me naive and you would probably be right, but I have thought about this concept to great lengths and I just do not get why the fact that drugs are illegal means that as long as you make a profit, nobody will think twice about you knowingly causing physical harm to other people. Because "such is the way of the drug world". Blegh!

Sorry for this long reply. It is the weed speaking =D
 
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It is the nature of these drugs. When they made booze illegal it lowered use. It increased the risk of using the drug but that is not why they repealed the law. They made it legal because of economic fears. The US citizenry also voted to keep slavery going for economic reasons.
The reason drugs are illegal in the United States is explained in court interpretation of the law.
 
pmoseman said:
It is the nature of these drugs. When they made booze illegal it lowered use. It increased the risk of using the drug but that is not why they repealed the law. They made it legal because of economic fears. The US citizenry also voted to keep slavery going for economic reasons.
The reason drugs are illegal in the United States is explained in court interpretation of the law.
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Does a skyrocketing crime rate and a ten-fold increase in organized crime during alcohol prohibition count as economic fears?
 
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