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Anyone out there who actually keeps a "once a week only" habit...?

When I first started using opioids I used codeine only on weekends one or two days. I was using also benzos with codeine. That went about two years without getting physically addicted to them. Finally after three years I realized I had developed some physical addiction to benzos because I started to feel derealization, depersonalization and panic attacks when I was without them.

After my rehab 2008 I have used codeine many occasions for long periods of time (many months) but dosed only one time a day and haven't never got physically addicted to it. I can stop it and it doesn't cause withdrawals at all. Alltough I don't want to stop but usually I have to because I can't get codeine as much I would like.

Tramadol I have tried to use periodically and have managed to do that last years. It is just that when I'm without it I'm depressed, fatiqued, anxious and usually after long use mostly in bed for a week or so. So now I've been thinking I might use it every day because its SNRI effect at least seems to last very long without tolerance and keeps depression etc. away. Also I like tramadol very much and mentally I'm very addicted to it.

Benzos has been different story to me now. First I started to use them for sleep and social anxiety with booze but because my insomnia has been so severe last year I began using them every evening and got bad addiction to phenibut also during that time.

Edit: So yes, I believe its possibly to use opioids (at least medium strength and under like codeine and tramadol) only one time a week.
 
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I've known a number of people, including myself, who were able to use opioids around once a week for months or even occasionally years, but every single one ended up gradually using more and more often and eventually ended up with a serious addiction/dependence. It's an incredibly hard thing to do and the longer you do it the more likely you are to start disregarding your own restrictions. That is the nature of addiction. (of course it does also really depend on the person, the reason for use, the specific opioid, how much you use, and whether you are talking like 1 single dose or an all-weekend binge).
 
I've been using opiates for about 5 years, habitual use for 4. There's your answer.


And i'm telling you man, although I enjoy having a shot because i don't have a big tolerance (that doesn't mean you don't have a dependancy!), I certainly do NOT enjoy the fact that i've wasted 3 years of my life, broke my mothers heart, alienated myself from many of my friends and family, lied constantly to the person I love, and, most of all, given myself the itchies to reach for the needle FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE.

but if you want advice, look, nearly everyone i know picked up a habit (read: a complete, sometimes irreversible psychological domination of thought) once they started doing these two or three things.

1. they started using regularly. and no, i don't mean once a day or every two or even every week. i define regularly as any pattern of use within one month. what i mean to say is, the guy who found himself needing it even only once a month has the early symptoms of dependancy.

2. they started getting credit from dealers before you know it, the amount on your bill will be your whole next paycheck.

and in my opinion, the most important:

3. they started associating day-to-day lifestyle activities with opiates, rather than just a wee joy bang every now and then This is crucial dude. you know your use is getting dangerous and habitual when it starts permeating itself through your normal working day. again, before you know it, it'll infest every facet of your lifestyle, and you'll just be doing it to cope.

Please, keep in mind though, I speak not of how to avoid addiction, but how you will get there.


In the vast majority of cases (read: 99.99%) , any regular use will lead to a habit. like any other activity. if you want to be safe, i'd say once a month MAXIMUM. even then, you'll end up using more regularly. it is just a matter of time
 
I just typed this fucjing reply and my phone lost it im about to throw my phone across the room uuugh fuck here it goes again a shortened versionn--

The only time i could successfilly chip was when i was on supervised probation, but i was only able to do so because i was scared of getting a random piss test and going to jaol. Right now im living at a halfway house whoch i figured would be enough to keep me straight, or at least keep use to a minimum since i could get piss tested at any time and coming up dorty would result in me being homelezz...

well ive been using pretty heavily every day for the past week and a half to two weeks a.d now have a habit i need to lose before it comes to light and i get kicked out and i only have one 8mgin sub strip tp get thru it =\
 
IMO, very few people can manage to truly just use daily, without beginning to crave during the week and justify the occasional second day of the week usage. But 100% of new drug users believe that they can... It's just a matter of time though, once you get started, and think you can easily just use once a week, and begin looking forward to that day every week, you become a ticking time bomb.
 
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pbuilder said:
IMO, very few people can manage to truly just use daily, without beginning to crave during the week and justify the occasional second day of the week usage. But 100% of new drug users believe that they can... It's just a matter of time though, once you get started, and think you can easily just use once a week, and begin looking forward to that day every week, you become a ticking time bomb.
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I think in thw first sentense you meant to say weekly

Youre right in your points though
 
Everyone's contributed lots of good stuff already.

I'll try to answer your question with the benefit of a lot of hindsight.

Yes. A person can get high on opiates once a week and keep it at that for an extended period of time. The person with the best chance for this is someone who enjoys, but is almost indifferent to an opiate high. I.e. if you get a group of 5 people together, each take some oxy chances are at least 1-2 of them will say 'mehhhh yeah that was pretty sweet I guess, kinda just made me tired but it was fun I guess'.

The person who feels like their life now has meaning and plans to do more oxy as soon as they possibly can has almost no chance of being able to use responsibly. I'm a firm believer that everyone has a unique body chemistry and that some of us (myself included) have an in-born deficiency of Dopamine and other neurotransmitters that make opiates more pleasureable (experiencing going from say a 3/10 to a 9/10 vs. 5/10 to a 9/10 for a 'normal person)

If a person were to make this work, I'd say their best chance would be to focus their energies on all things NOT related to their drug of choice. Life stuff: job, girlfriend, education, career path, healthy friendships, random errands that infuriate you and make you want to get high. If a person can have a healthy life and attend to all of these things, they'd increase their chance of successfully using.

If you're like me though....you find using so enjoyable because the job is kinda shitty, the girl's kinda psycho, school's too easy and therefore boring, car needs repairs I don't seem to have the resources or inclination to fix. There was at least something wrong with every facet of my life and I found a neat trick that I could change my perception of everything by getting high and feeling like everything was all good, while at the same time of course the actual reality of things progressively got shittier, thereby necessitating using more...and on and on.



I used opiates for 12 years, have about a year clean now. For the first 9-10 years I only messed with perks/vikes but had a 'problem' within the first year. I use that term in quotes because my dose at the time was 3.75mg of oxy (1/2 of a perc 7.5).

I recognize it now as having been a problem because after a few months of recreationally taking percs I found life to be almost unbearable without that little lift. Work, class, girlfriend, a 4 minute conversation with my mother alll went so much nicer with a little Percocet. I already had a full on compulsion before I was even taking doses capable of really taking me out. 2 years of poppy pod/seed tea (ballpark 200mg-500mg Morphine) daily then semi-daily then weekly to 'reward myself' ran a train on me. I was getting borderline blackout drunk all the time and smoking weed all day to 'be good boy' and keep 'my addiction' at only once a week.

I've used opiates 2-3x in the last year and it's just stupid. The amount I need to get HIGH to the degree I'm accustomed is completely non-functional. I have to puke. If I don't violently purge through my nostrils it doesn't count as 'high' somehow. It's no way to go through life, and I don't crave it at all.
 
Sex Panther said:
1. they started using regularly.
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Yes, this is so true. If you want to use every Saturday for example, that is a bad sign. The people who seem more able to maintain it are those people who just use it occasionally with no pattern, like they go a couple months, then maybe a couple weeks, then maybe 3 months, etc. They don't plan it and it's not a big deal or a big part of their life, or something they turn to when feeling depressed or stressed out, and they don't usually have a regular reliable supply. If you feel like you want to use it on a schedule is a bad sign, it becomes this thing you think about, plan for and look forward to, and pretty soon you're like, "screw it I'm not waiting til Saturday, I'm going to do some on Friday, what difference does it make," and next you're like, "whatever, I'm just going to use Fri, Sat and Sun, 3 days isn't going to get me dependent", and next you're like, "It's only Thursday but I had a shitty day and deserve something to make me feel better," or, "I have to go visit some relatives this weekend but I don't want to miss out on my weekly treat so I'm just going to take some with me," and so on. Mental addiction forms before physical dependence. It can become an addiction even if you're only using once a week, and eventually rational behaviour goes out the window and you start to rationalize using more and more often, eventually ending up using too often and getting physically dependent, or telling yourself you don't care anymore because life sucks without opiates.
 
i use poppy pods 1x a week and have been for the past 2 years. every few months i go two weeks off and have never had any negative or unwantged side effects other than wanting to be high, which cannabis can take care of. opiates can be used safely 1x a week for years. i even went close to three weeks without dosing a few months ago and had no issues, just used benzos a few days on those off weeks to help with boredom and the desire to get high. you can absolutely be a weekend warrior and keep it there, but it takes alot of self control.
 
^It's not just about self-control, some people are just predisposed to become addicted. It's incredibly hard to know if it will happen to you or not beforehand. And I think it does depend on the drug.
 
psychedelics: once every full moon (it's a suitable ritual/discipline for psychedelic use).
ur144 blend: generous spliff at 3am, once a week.
diazepam: as and when, only for insomnia, comedowns and the occasional anxiety attack.

I know addiction inside out, I know what's good for me. :D
 
NomNomNom said:
Yes. A person can get high on opiates once a week and keep it at that for an extended period of time. The person with the best chance for this is someone who enjoys, but is almost indifferent to an opiate high. I.e. if you get a group of 5 people together, each take some oxy chances are at least 1-2 of them will say 'mehhhh yeah that was pretty sweet I guess, kinda just made me tired but it was fun I guess'.

The person who feels like their life now has meaning and plans to do more oxy as soon as they possibly can has almost no chance of being able to use responsibly. I'm a firm believer that everyone has a unique body chemistry and that some of us (myself included) have an in-born deficiency of Dopamine and other neurotransmitters that make opiates more pleasureable (experiencing going from say a 3/10 to a 9/10 vs. 5/10 to a 9/10 for a 'normal person)
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Good comparison. The first example reminds me of my friend who uses benzos still after allmost five years and haven't came physically addicted. The latter example reminds me of myself. Btw, you were speaking about believing so I assume you didn't mean it has been examined in hospital that you have dopamine deficiency? If thats possible would be interested to do that study for myself also..



Swimmingdancer said:
Yes, this is so true. If you want to use every Saturday for example, that is a bad sign. The people who seem more able to maintain it are those people who just use it occasionally with no pattern, like they go a couple months, then maybe a couple weeks, then maybe 3 months, etc. They don't plan it and it's not a big deal or a big part of their life, or something they turn to when feeling depressed or stressed out, and they don't usually have a regular reliable supply. If you feel like you want to use it on a schedule is a bad sign, it becomes this thing you think about, plan for and look forward to, and pretty soon you're like, "screw it I'm not waiting til Saturday, I'm going to do some on Friday, what difference does it make," and next you're like, "whatever, I'm just going to use Fri, Sat and Sun, 3 days isn't going to get me dependent", and next you're like, "It's only Thursday but I had a shitty day and deserve something to make me feel better," or, "I have to go visit some relatives this weekend but I don't want to miss out on my weekly treat so I'm just going to take some with me," and so on. Mental addiction forms before physical dependence. It can become an addiction even if you're only using once a week, and eventually rational behaviour goes out the window and you start to rationalize using more and more often, eventually ending up using too often and getting physically dependent, or telling yourself you don't care anymore because life sucks without opiates.
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Wery well said, so true! Reading it was like reading story of my life.
 
The only way to get to the point where you can use opiates occasionally is to have a life that you actually enjoy living outside of drugs. If opiates are better than your life, you're fucked. If your life is better than opiates, you'll barely ever use them.

Once a week is wayyy too often.
 
i cant even keep once a week habit for marijuana hahahaha. i do have an addictive personality though...

the only thing i dont plan out is LSD, i just take it whenever. sometimes i wait 6 months, sometimes it is 3 weeks, sometimes 1-3months, ect.. i just buy it here and there when a friend has some
 
^effuszion, thats a personal opinion. some of us have debilitating chronic muscle degeneration, compressed vertebrae, spasms, ect, and dont have health insurance. if i choose to medicate weekly, without it causing me any problems, who are you to imply that because someone uses them, that their life must suck ? speak for yourself, not others.
 
Aphex747 said:
^effuszion, thats a personal opinion. some of us have debilitating chronic muscle degeneration, compressed vertebrae, spasms, ect, and dont have health insurance. if i choose to medicate weekly, without it causing me any problems, who are you to imply that because someone uses them, that their life must suck ? speak for yourself, not others.
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I would argue that having chronic muscle degeneration and compressed vertebrae does, in fact, suck.

We're talking about different issues though. I'm talking about people who use opiates for no reason other than to get high, you're talking about medication that you probably can't function without. Huge difference.
 
Effuzion said:
The only way to get to the point where you can use opiates occasionally is to have a life that you actually enjoy living outside of drugs. If opiates are better than your life, you're fucked. If your life is better than opiates, you'll barely ever use them.

Once a week is wayyy too often.
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I think this is an excellent point (referring to abuse, aphex, not therapeutic use).

This was the EXACT findings in the rat park studies - if the rats were locked in cages away from everything they needed and wanted in life, they used as much fucking morphine as they could. If they were in colonies where they could socialize, exercise, fuck in private (apparently rats are not exhibitionistic), then the morphine would just get in the way and they didn't want it. Even when the rats were force-fed morphine in cages until they were good and dependent and put into the colonies where they could choose to use the morphine or not, almost all of them chose to withdraw instead of continue to use.

If people have what they need in life (maslow's hierarchy of needs is a good reference point), then opioids and other drugs just get in the way - if people don't have what they need, they are drawn to treating the resultant distress pharmacologically.
 
i use them for pain management yes, and ive found i can safely use them once a week at without getting physically addicted. i just make sure i put at least 7 days between uses for a standard guideline. if a week goes by, i dont just say to myself, oh wow its been 7 days, i can do pods today! i actually see if i can go a few more days and sometimes a week or two extra. but if im finding myself in extreme discomfort. i still wont use pods more than 1x a week. i basically save them as a way to deal with the "worst days". and i would agree that they are an inconvenience to my functional lifestyle. i miss alot of my daily activities when i do pods. for instance, i cant play xbox when i do pods, i get the spins, and often mild nauseau, they are hard to accurately dose when your as sensitive to them as me, and batches vary. im just saying, hey...if you require them to cope with life, for whatever reason, 1x a week has never screwed me over. and ive tested it by going a few weeks every couple months. so yea its usually more of an inconvenience to use them, bc i cant predict if they will just take away my pain, or make me almost feel sick all day, like when you take too many vicodin and get the hot flushes and sweats, trying not to have to puke.
 
pontifex01 said:
SwimmingDancer I'm not arse-kissing or anything but I've always noticed your posts to be sensitive, insightful and really intelligent. I think you're a great moderator. Good job man/girl (not sure which you are lol).
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Aw thanks <3

I think it also depends what drug you're using and what purpose you are using it for. For example, using IV heroin for enjoyment or to cope with anxiety/depression (whether consciously or not), is probably a lot different from, say, using codeine solely for physical pain. But using opioids for pain can lead to addiction too. I know plenty of people who became addicted after being prescribed opioids for pain.

Of course there will be some people who say, "I use once a week and my use hasn't escalated or become problematic" (although who knows how long that will last, it very often starts out that way), but that does NOT mean anyone can do it.
 
Your functional lifestyle includes... playing Xbox?

Anyway, I was never trying to say your life must suck because you use opiates. My point was that if your life doesn't suck, you won't feel the need to compulsively use opiates to get high. Using them because you have serious pain is different. I wouldn't even want to comment on that because I've never been through it.
 
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