Anyone know what opiates are OTC in France?

[fishmael]

Or anything else recreational that's behind glass/pharmacy counters in the US?
I'm going to Paris in about a week and a half and I'm pretty sure they have codeine OTC (with a lot of other shit mixed in) which I have no desire for, but is there anything else?

 

[GenericMind]

The only OTC Opiates in France that I know of are Codeine-containing combinations.

 

[jasoncrest]

In France, the following Opium poppies alkaloids are available over the counter:

-Codeine
-Ethylmorphine
-Noscapine (only combined with Promethazine)
-Papaverine

Only the Codeine and Ethylmorphine are really worth.

If you want Ethylmorphine alone, ask for "Peter's Sirop" (a syrup containing Ethylmorphine as the only active ingredient, 250mg I think)

If you want pills that contain Codeine + Ethylmorphine only, ask for "Tussipax comprimés" (10mg Codeine + 10mg Ethylmorphine per pills, 15 pills)

If you want COdeine only, ask for "Paderyl comprimés" (Codeine only, 20mg per pills).

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Many pharmacists don't carry these products, they are quite rare. And the pharmacist with maybe give you a bad look if you ask for them....
There is a product that you will find in every pharmacy, that everyone buy, and the pharmacist won't think you're a junkie if you ask for it; it's called "Codoliprane", it's a box of 16 pills, 20mg Codeine + 400mg APAP in each.

(the "Peter's Sirop" with Ethylmorphine only is quite common too in fact)

 

[stirfry]

jasoncrest:

what effects, if any, do Noscapine and Papaverine have? i think i read somewhere that Noscapine has DXM like effects, but ill never know as i live in the US and it is not used here.

 

[Jamshyd]

^ I know papaverine is used for erectile disfunction and other blood-pressure related things...

Jason, they allow an otc medication with TWO opiates in it and nothing else in france? You guys are so lucky!

 

[stirfry]

^ya, i knew that paperavine wasnt phsychoactive, i was more interested in Noscapine.

arcoding to wikipedia:

Noscapine's antitussive effects appear to be primarily mediated by its sigma receptor agonist activity. Evidence for this mechanism is suggested by experimental evidence in rats. Pretreatment with rimcazole, a sigma specific antagonist, causes a dose-dependent reduction in antitussive activity of noscapine.

Noscapine (Nospen) has a history of Over-the-counter drug abuse in a several countries being readily available from local pharmacies as a prescription drug. The effects, beginning around 45 to 120 mins after consumption, are similar to dextromethorphan and alcohol intoxication. Abuse of noscapine and other cough suppressants (dextromethorphan, codeine, antihistamines, and xylometazoline nasal drops) has been reported to cause chronic cough lasting over one month upon withdrawal.[5] Unlike dextromethorphan, noscapine is not an NMDA receptor antagonist.

noscapine wiki

but, you have to take info in wikipedia with a grain of salt. i hope somebody on this board may have firsthand experience with this substance. i find the idea of a sigma receptor agonist without NMDA effects to be interesting.

 

[DragonFly31]

any other OTC meds easy to get in france that would be interesting?.... hehe

 

[fishmael]

Thank you jasoncrest, not familiar with ethylmorphine, but i'll see what i can do with it

 

[Alephnul]

This is not the first post on the subject, and Jasoncrest has a good knowledghe on this. As for other "intertesting" OTC compounds, apart from opiates (and many listed are seen as "old" medicines and are not always carried by all pharmacies. If you really want to have "fun" in France, I recommend you make an appointment with a doctor ($30) and make out you're staying longer in France than expected, and need a script to cover the medication you usually take back home, Benzo's and Z medications, tramadol, codeine mizxes up to 50mg/600mg. The Doctor would be far too embarassed of his poor english to check with your doctor, and aws long as yopur story is convincing enough there shopuld be no problems. Just overall, French Doctors are much more script happy than US doctors. So choose you poison, get your story straight, and see doctor, and gentle (well my doctor back home always gives me this) should nail it, no french doctor wants to feel amd type of inferiioriy to a foreighn doctor!! hope this helps.

 

[jasoncrest]

what effects, if any, do Noscapine and Papaverine have? i think i read somewhere that Noscapine has DXM like effects, but ill never know as i live in the US and it is not used here.

Noscapine seems VERY intersting.
It is a sigma agonist, which apparently makes it some kind of dissociative.
You can read on google that there are a few cases of noscapine abuse...

The problem is that it is only available in a syrup that also contains Promethazine.... So you can't take high doses...

any other OTC meds easy to get in france that would be interesting?.... hehe

In France you can get (without seeing a doctor and without seeing a dealer):
-alpha-chloralose (an anesthesic that was used as an hypnotic in low doses)
-yohimbine HCL (not yohimbe extract, just pure yohimbine)
-promethazine (great antihistamine, RX only in the states)
-mephenesin (great muscle-relaxant similar to Methocarbamol)
-DXM
-pentoxyverine (DXM-related dissociative)
-Opium alkaloids: Codeine, Ethylmorphine, Noscapine, Papaverine.

That's it, that's not much.

Thank you jasoncrest, not familiar with ethylmorphine, but i'll see what i can do with it

fishmael, I live near Paris, send me a PM if you have any specific question about France/Paris.

 

[DragonFly31]

Cheers for that, Jason. I was aware of codoliprane, but never knew codeine was sold free of any other molecules OTC in France.

I've decided to get the Paderyl and promethazine, both of which look the most interesting to me (and potentiate each other, right?)

Will I get any strange questions if I ask for both of these (separately)? Even if I do, aren't they OTC hence the pharmacist has to give them to me if I ask? What are common conditions that requires the use of either?

Cheers

 

[jasoncrest]

I've decided to get the Paderyl and promethazine, both of which look the most interesting to me (and potentiate each other, right?)

If you use an antihistamine with Codeine, there will be less Codeine converted to Morphine, as they both use CYP2D6 to be metabolized....

Will I get any strange questions if I ask for both of these (separately)? Even if I do, aren't they OTC hence the pharmacist has to give them to me if I ask?

No problem with the Phenergan.
With Paderyl, Tussipax, Peter's Sirop (things that contain Opiates ONLY), the pharmacist will look at you like you're a poor junkie, and you will read lots of contempt in his eyes.

But you have the right to ask for it and to buy it.
He will not ask any question.
Chances are that he will tell you that he doesn't carry this medication...

In this case, you can still ask him to order it for you, in this case, he will recieve the medication the day after.

If you don't want to pre-order and come back the next day for your Paderyl/Tussipax/Peter's Sirop, then just walk through the streets, every 100meters there is a pharmacy in Paris...
If you go to 10 pharmacies, you will definitely find one that carries what you want.

What are common conditions that requires the use of either?

Paderyl/Tussipax/Peter's Sirop are sold for cough....
The pharmacist may tell you that there is a newer alternative against cough, which is called Dextromethorphan (DXM), then just say that you want the product you asked for.

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If you don't wanna go through any problem with your pharmacists, buy COdoliprane. It's sold for pain. Everyone buy it (for any kind of little pain).
Every pharmacist carries it.
It's 16 tabs with 20mg Codeine + 400mg APAP each

 

[DragonFly31]

I've bought codoliprane many times before, but was always under the impression that the dose of APAP would get toxic before the codeine dosage would get me high.

I've always meant to do the cold water extraction, but since I'm (now) aware that I can buy codeine alone, I'll just give that a whirl. Who gives a shit about the pharmacist's reaction, if he can't do anything about it.

merci pour l'info

 

[Alephnul]

Another cough syrop, Neocodeon, is good too, and cheap, thouygh you will def.. get the evils from the pharmacists as recent research showed that 80% of sales were not for the cough suppression qualitles I fin the best way to allay the pharmacists is to insist it's for your grandmother, and she wont accept anything elsel!! But Jasonmcrect is right,there are more pharmacies than you can shake a stick at, go to each, order 2 packs of Tussipax, even if not in stock, do this in 8-10 pharmacies and by the next day you'll be collecting up to 3000 codeine/ethylnorphine 10/10 tablets, more than enough for a very high holliday!!!

 

[Ale]

Is papaverine Hydrochloride sold OTC in the USA??

 

[phatass]

codeine, ethylmorphine (tussipax/ paderyl/ neo-codion (which is more expensive)

and be sure to drop a couple of promethazine befrore hand to not get too itchy (a box is damn cheap)

 

[DustnRoses]

I was just reading that the police in France is generally very strict, especially when it comes to drugs. Is obtaining these OTC opiates as a tourist risky in any way?

 

[JamtasticX]

I was just reading that the police in France is generally very strict, especially when it comes to drugs. Is obtaining these OTC opiates as a tourist risky in any way?

I would assume not. Even though you're a US citizen (or wherever) why would the French police enfore US laws without working with the US on a major opperation, like Afghanistan, or helping to catch a fugitive (France and US have an extradition treaty), but you can't get arrested in france for breaking a US law, only arrested in france if you broke a US law IN the use, or broke a french law in france.

If you try to bring them back to the US you may get in trouble with Customs. May get lucky and they might just take them and let you go if they believe it was an innocent mistake, or they could arrest you for international drug trafficking.

 

[NagasakiNightmare]

This is not the first post on the subject, and Jasoncrest has a good knowledghe on this. As for other "intertesting" OTC compounds, apart from opiates (and many listed are seen as "old" medicines and are not always carried by all pharmacies. If you really want to have "fun" in France, I recommend you make an appointment with a doctor ($30) and make out you're staying longer in France than expected, and need a script to cover the medication you usually take back home, Benzo's and Z medications, tramadol, codeine mizxes up to 50mg/600mg. The Doctor would be far too embarassed of his poor english to check with your doctor, and aws long as yopur story is convincing enough there shopuld be no problems. Just overall, French Doctors are much more script happy than US doctors. So choose you poison, get your story straight, and see doctor, and gentle (well my doctor back home always gives me this) should nail it, no french doctor wants to feel amd type of inferiioriy to a foreighn doctor!! hope this helps.

This is pretty funny.

 

[hydroazuanacaine]

we've been getting the tussipax no problem. havent even gotten a dirty look. haven't asked for anything else. the phqrmacist really is just struggeling to figure out whqt we are asking for--no effort left after to question what for. a box of 15 is pretty cheqp. i assume there is essentiqlly no difference between ethyl and codeine? do people have a preference? does it help with tolerance and the high to go with the combo?

there is no law against buying a box at one pharm and then walking across the street to get another, right?

it sure is hard to type on a french keyboard.

edit:haha, so much for no evil eyes. i just got straight scolded, close to yelled at. but it was in french and i dont speak a lick of it. i just stared at him wide eyed for a full 60 seconds after he finished his lecture--a long time given the akwardness of the situation. then i had to break the silence, and asked in spanish if they didn't have it--figured it would be close to french. he said "oui" and it came out of this crazy air-tube. i'll go somewhere else next time. there is a pharmacy every 30 seconds.