Benzos Anyone have any experience with Clobromazolam/Phenazolam (they are the same benzo from what I can tell)

[NoneButTheRain]

I'm seein these available and the doses are very low dosed (0.5mg or 1mg). Vendor is very careful to emphasize that 0.5mg is perfect dose for people without insane tolerances. The effects seem to indicate sedative hypnotic effects. The vendor has no minimum to buy and now I'm intensely curious. Anyone tried them? Thanks.

 

[Drugs_Are_For_Losers]

Do they have anxiolytic properties?

 

[NoneButTheRain]

I have absolutely no idea to be honest. Doesn't seem to say so on the listing

 

[Esperighanto]

I've seen some people on reddit claim it's experientially similar to clonazolam and bromazolam, with similarly low dosing, come-up times ~1-1.5 hour(s), somewhat sedative, and is apparently extremely clear headed and prone to delusions of sobriety. Phenazolam is one of those clonazolam-like benzos that would land a ton of people in blackout incidents if it lasted longer, but it seems like it was briefly on DNs and then just vanished in favor of fresh batches of bromazolam. I'm not sure why the market got flooded with 99% bromazolam and then 1% clobromazolam, and while bromazolam is similarly dangerous, it's not quite as hyperpotent at least.

 

[TheFunkeeJunkee]

Unpopular opinion: Am I the only person that thinks all benzodiazepines basically feel so similar in effect, any distinction outside of duration and onset of action basically meaningless?

I've tried bromazolam, flubromazolam, etizolam, diazepam, lorazepam, midazolam, oxazepam, nitrazepam, clonazepam, you name it. I honest to god, hand on a bible believe that I couldn't tell you the difference between any of them if it weren't for onset and duration of action and even that probably not.

 

[Esperighanto]

Unpopular opinion: Am I the only person that thinks all benzodiazepines basically feel so similar in effect, any distinction outside of duration and onset of action basically meaningless?

I've tried bromazolam, flubromazolam, etizolam, diazepam, lorazepam, midazolam, oxazepam, nitrazepam, clonazepam, you name it. I honest to god, hand on a bible believe that I couldn't tell you the difference between any of them if it weren't for onset and duration of action and even that probably not.

I've met people who also claim all stimulants feel the same, all cannabinoids feel the same, all opioids feel identical, all benzos, the only class I haven't encountered that with as of yet is psychedelics. Nobody has told me that vaporized DMT, LSD, and mescaline feel the same yet. I can feel differences between almost every substance in the aforementioned classes of drugs though, personally.

 

[Mana0909]

I'm seein these available and the doses are very low dosed (0.5mg or 1mg). Vendor is very careful to emphasize that 0.5mg is perfect dose for people without insane tolerances. The effects seem to indicate sedative hypnotic effects. The vendor has no minimum to buy and now I'm intensely curious. Anyone tried them? Thanks.

Hey there,

I've tried Clobromazolam/Phenazolam, and I can give you some insights. These are very similar benzo, and they are quite potent. The doses are very low, typically around 0.5mg to 1mg. For someone without a high tolerance, 0.5mg is usually enough to feel the effects.

Dosage:

• 0.5mg for beginners or those with low tolerance.
• 1mg for those with a bit more experience or higher tolerance.

Effects:

• Strong sedative and hypnotic effects.
• You'll feel very relaxed and calm, with a significant reduction in anxiety.
• It can make you quite drowsy, so it's best to take it when you don't need to be active.

Comparison Between Clobromazolam and Phenazolam:

• Clobromazolam: Known for its strong sedative and hypnotic effects. It has a rapid onset and a long duration of action. It's highly potent and should be used with caution.
• Phenazolam: Structurally similar to Clobromazolam, with similar effects. It is also highly potent and has strong sedative and hypnotic properties. The main difference lies in their chemical structure, but their effects are quite comparable.

Overall, Clobromazolam/Phenazolam is a powerful sedative-hypnotic benzo. It's great for short-term use to help with severe insomnia or anxiety, but be cautious with the dosage due to its potency.

Comparison to Other Benzos (I've tried to bind them together, because I find both of them quiet similar):

• Alprazolam (Xanax): Clobromazolam/Phenazolam is stronger and more sedative. Alprazolam is more for anxiety and panic attacks, while Clobromazolam/Phenazolam is more for sedation.
• Lorazepam (Ativan): Lorazepam is also strong, but Clobromazolam/Phenazolam has a more pronounced sedative effect. Lorazepam is better for anxiety and short-term use.
• Oxazepam (Serax): Oxazepam is milder and has a slower onset. Clobromazolam/Phenazolam is much stronger and faster-acting.
• Temazepam (Restoril): Temazepam is a strong hypnotic, but Clobromazolam/Phenazolam is even more potent. Temazepam is better for sleep maintenance.
• Tetrazepam: Tetrazepam is more of a muscle relaxant with moderate sedative effects. Clobromazolam/Phenazolam is stronger in terms of sedation.
• Methaqualone/Mephenaqualone (Quaaludes): These are very euphoric and sedative, more then Clobromazolam/Phenazolam and also with a higher addiction potential and more intense effects.
• Diazepam (Valium): Clobromazolam/Phenazolam is much stronger and more sedative. Diazepam is more for anxiety and muscle relaxation, while Clobromazolam/Phenazolam is more for knocking you out.
• Clonazepam (Klonopin): Clonazepam is also strong, but Clobromazolam/Phenazolam has a more pronounced sedative effect. Clonazepam is better for long-term anxiety control.
• Rilmazafone: This one is a prodrug that converts to an active benzo in the body. It's milder compared to Clobromazolam/Phenazolam and has a shorter duration.
• Flunitrazepam (Rohypnol): Flunitrazepam is very strong and has a notorious reputation. Clobromazolam/Phenazolam is similar in strength but doesn't have the same level of euphoria.

Overall, Clobromazolam/Phenazolam is a powerful sedative-hypnotic benzo. It's great for short-term use to help with severe insomnia or anxiety, but be cautious with the dosage due to its potency.

Stay Safe, Mana0909

 

[TheFunkeeJunkee]

I've met people who also claim all stimulants feel the same, all cannabinoids feel the same, all opioids feel identical, all benzos, the only class I haven't encountered that with as of yet is psychedelics. Nobody has told me that vaporized DMT, LSD, and mescaline feel the same yet. I can feel differences between almost every substance in the aforementioned classes of drugs though, personally.

I can *feel* differences between X benzo and Y benzo but the differences aren't ever enough to draw a meaningful distinction. As I can with opioids, 2a agonists, NMDA antagonists etc but it seems to me within these drug classes there exists a diverse array of effect profiles, whereas with benzodiazepines you don't get that diversity of effects within a single class.

I think even with psychedelics most people couldn't not meaningfully differentiate in a double blind 2C-C from 2,4,5-TMA for instance. I can't recall the exact paper (I could find it if you'd be interested) but in it, human participants couldn't reliably pass a drug discrimination test between psilocyn and DXM. Some did, others didn't.

 

[JackARoe]

Unpopular opinion: Am I the only person that thinks all benzodiazepines basically feel so similar in effect, any distinction outside of duration and onset of action basically meaningless?

That would be me too. This fall I took diazepam a few times, alprazolam a few times, and etizolam a few times. I learned all 3 of those kick in quick and once "benzo'd" it could be have been any of those when I took them. None lasted more than 8 hours (for all the talk of diazepam and long half life too). so I swear I would only be guessing between those. I understand people that have a benzo career can tell the difference. But to someone that uses only on occasion it can be difficult telling the difference

Now the hypnotic ones like trialzolam and flunitrazepam seem differernt and I probably could tell. But yeah the others are all seem so so similar. Slight relaxation for me and amnesia that sort of irritates me.

 

[Esperighanto]

I understand people that have a benzo career can tell the difference. But to someone that uses only on occasion it can be difficult telling the difference

This is really what I've noticed too, outside of a couple of simple pharmacokinetic factors like duration and come up time. CloBro took easily over an hour to be fully settled in but only 20-30 minutes until I noticed first alerts. I've seen people take 2-3 hours before being noticeably affected by bromazolam, but I've never seen alprazolam take more than ten to fifteen minutes.

The other somewhat undeniable elements I've seen are that some (like rohypnol) are much more hypnotic than others, and for people with chronic pain issues, myorelaxant benzos are noticeably painkilling.

 

[Esperighanto]

psilocyn and DXM. Some did, others didn't.

This study was really fascinating, as it applied to first and second plateau doses but not third and fourth, as far as the DXM goes. I've been fortunate enough to have friends around who are willing to participate in blind studies where they might get LSD, psilocin, THC, 2C-B or a placebo, and it seems like LSD and psilocin are easy to mix up, but cannabinoids and phenethylamines seem noticeably different to most people. Funny enough, the only one often mixed up with the placebo was THC.

 

[Thumper92]

Unpopular opinion: Am I the only person that thinks all benzodiazepines basically feel so similar in effect, any distinction outside of duration and onset of action basically meaningless?

I've tried bromazolam, flubromazolam, etizolam, diazepam, lorazepam, midazolam, oxazepam, nitrazepam, clonazepam, you name it. I honest to god, hand on a bible believe that I couldn't tell you the difference between any of them if it weren't for onset and duration of action and even that probably not.

 

[Thumper92]

Valium>clonazepam in terms of muscle relaxing euphoric sedation.
Alprazolam is a quick end of 2nd round knockout (literally quells and stops attacks in it's track within 10 minutes) it's a clean punch in the angst-ridden nads. Lol. Bromazolam is more recreational than alprazolam. Very similar. Clobromazolam is more potent but similar to clonazepam as well with the mildly euphoric relaxation. Bromazolam is basically xanax and clobro is kpins ime

 

[pcplease]

i always say the same things online, though phenazolam probably builds up over time way more than clonazepam due to the structure. phenazolam is way more physically intoxicating/muscle weakness for me and i i would agree that diazepams muscle relaxation is a more pleasant feeling which few (norflurazepam did) benzos touch

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Unpopular opinion: Am I the only person that thinks all benzodiazepines basically feel so similar in effect, any distinction outside of duration and onset of action basically meaningless?

I've tried bromazolam, flubromazolam, etizolam, diazepam, lorazepam, midazolam, oxazepam, nitrazepam, clonazepam, you name it. I honest to god, hand on a bible believe that I couldn't tell you the difference between any of them if it weren't for onset and duration of action and even that probably not.

Yeah, but i would except Temazepam for its Euphoric effects other Benzo s lack.
And also Clobazam and Pyrazolam which ime are functional Benzo s.
They lack hypnotic, muscle-relaxation and amnesia effects. So kinda clean.

All the the rest more or less the same, though Flu/Nitrazepam, Nimetazepam
and a few others seem different too [Pyenazolam ao]. More euphoric.

 

[NeedleJuice369]

Unpopular opinion: Am I the only person that thinks all benzodiazepines basically feel so similar in effect, any distinction outside of duration and onset of action basically meaningless?

I've tried bromazolam, flubromazolam, etizolam, diazepam, lorazepam, midazolam, oxazepam, nitrazepam, clonazepam, you name it. I honest to god, hand on a bible believe that I couldn't tell you the difference between any of them if it weren't for onset and duration of action and even that probably not.

I used to think that all benzos gave an "overall same feeling" and was always told that IVIng them was a waste of time because they weren't "water soluble". Then I found Etizolam, not the pills but the powder mixed in PG(propylene glycol) and heated correctly. When I tell you that it gives you an AMAZING rush, I mean that it is comparable to ANY other drug. BUT it's easy to think you are still good and can do more.

Hey there,

I've tried Clobromazolam/Phenazolam, and I can give you some insights. These are very similar benzo, and they are quite potent. The doses are very low, typically around 0.5mg to 1mg. For someone without a high tolerance, 0.5mg is usually enough to feel the effects.

Dosage:

• 0.5mg for beginners or those with low tolerance.
• 1mg for those with a bit more experience or higher tolerance.

Effects:

• Strong sedative and hypnotic effects.
• You'll feel very relaxed and calm, with a significant reduction in anxiety.
• It can make you quite drowsy, so it's best to take it when you don't need to be active.

Comparison Between Clobromazolam and Phenazolam:

• Clobromazolam: Known for its strong sedative and hypnotic effects. It has a rapid onset and a long duration of action. It's highly potent and should be used with caution.
• Phenazolam: Structurally similar to Clobromazolam, with similar effects. It is also highly potent and has strong sedative and hypnotic properties. The main difference lies in their chemical structure, but their effects are quite comparable.

Overall, Clobromazolam/Phenazolam is a powerful sedative-hypnotic benzo. It's great for short-term use to help with severe insomnia or anxiety, but be cautious with the dosage due to its potency.

Comparison to Other Benzos (I've tried to bind them together, because I find both of them quiet similar):

• Alprazolam (Xanax): Clobromazolam/Phenazolam is stronger and more sedative. Alprazolam is more for anxiety and panic attacks, while Clobromazolam/Phenazolam is more for sedation.
• Lorazepam (Ativan): Lorazepam is also strong, but Clobromazolam/Phenazolam has a more pronounced sedative effect. Lorazepam is better for anxiety and short-term use.
• Oxazepam (Serax): Oxazepam is milder and has a slower onset. Clobromazolam/Phenazolam is much stronger and faster-acting.
• Temazepam (Restoril): Temazepam is a strong hypnotic, but Clobromazolam/Phenazolam is even more potent. Temazepam is better for sleep maintenance.
• Tetrazepam: Tetrazepam is more of a muscle relaxant with moderate sedative effects. Clobromazolam/Phenazolam is stronger in terms of sedation.
• Methaqualone/Mephenaqualone (Quaaludes): These are very euphoric and sedative, more then Clobromazolam/Phenazolam and also with a higher addiction potential and more intense effects.
• Diazepam (Valium): Clobromazolam/Phenazolam is much stronger and more sedative. Diazepam is more for anxiety and muscle relaxation, while Clobromazolam/Phenazolam is more for knocking you out.
• Clonazepam (Klonopin): Clonazepam is also strong, but Clobromazolam/Phenazolam has a more pronounced sedative effect. Clonazepam is better for long-term anxiety control.
• Rilmazafone: This one is a prodrug that converts to an active benzo in the body. It's milder compared to Clobromazolam/Phenazolam and has a shorter duration.
• Flunitrazepam (Rohypnol): Flunitrazepam is very strong and has a notorious reputation. Clobromazolam/Phenazolam is similar in strength but doesn't have the same level of euphoria.

Overall, Clobromazolam/Phenazolam is a powerful sedative-hypnotic benzo. It's great for short-term use to help with severe insomnia or anxiety, but be cautious with the dosage due to its potency.

Stay Safe, Mana0909

good read here...

As far as clo-bro, it is BY FAR the best bang for your buck that you are going to get with ANY benzo. BUT you must know EXACTLY what you are doing with it. .25mg(yes 250 micrograms) is considered a "normal dose."
1 mg is for a HEAVY user to be able to take. I can definitely understand the warnings about having "delusions of sobriety" on it also.

But let's just say you have a habit of 1 Xanax bar a day, 1/2 in the am, 1/2 in the pm, 2mg total.

I made 50 mg of clo-bro mixed in 20 ML of PG(2.5 mg per ML) and heated correctly in a glass dropper. I then moved it to a cleaned-out e-cig juice container a week ago. It can only push out 1 drop at a time. 4 drops are good enough to feel that energetic talkative pep in your step. I still prob have HALF the bottle left and have not taken ANY XANAX since I started and I have a 90 REAL alp bars just chilling. This stuff is on another level, but you HAVE TO respect it and never let anyone reckless get their hands on it.

Etizolam is still the king for me though, nothing compares to that feeling.

 

[pcplease]

clobrom only briefly appeared in 2023 bc outside of the mothman black bars , much went into a huge bar vendors pressed at 3mg. they were too strong for people expecting brom with no idea whatsoever about duration, theyre much different. personally i sought after it til it became available last year as broms replacement.

0.25mg-1-2mg clonazepam imho. euphoria/rush/happiness might wear off 6-10hrs but calmness remains for another 12hrs+

 

[Esperighanto]

clobrom only briefly appeared in 2023 bc outside of the mothman black bars , much went into a huge bar vendors pressed at 3mg. they were too strong for people expecting brom with no idea whatsoever about duration, theyre much different. personally i sought after it til it became available last year as broms replacement.

0.25mg-1-2mg clonazepam imho. euphoria/rush/happiness might wear off 6-10hrs but calmness remains for another 12hrs+

Oh god, I ran into gray, long also stretched out looking bars as a high schooler some time between 2014-2017, they had little black flecks in them and we all referred to them as "mothman bars". None of my friends would touch them, I ate them all.

I wonder what was in those old ones.

 

[NeedleJuice369]

clobrom only briefly appeared in 2023 bc outside of the mothman black bars , much went into a huge bar vendors pressed at 3mg. they were too strong for people expecting brom with no idea whatsoever about duration, theyre much different. personally i sought after it til it became available last year as broms replacement.

0.25mg-1-2mg clonazepam imho. euphoria/rush/happiness might wear off 6-10hrs but calmness remains for another 12hrs+

Nah it is def around now FOR SURE. It is awesome too ONLY if you know how to make a solution and SAFELY DOSE IT OUT. It should NEVER be sold in powder form to ANYONE unless they know EXACTLY what they are doing. Same with the liquid solution. It HAS TO BE individually dosed out at .25 mg and given to responsible users that understand the power it holds. A few drops of the tongue(not out of a vial dropper) will have you feeling great. 50 mg of it has lasted me weeks and I didn't take one alp bar and had some the whole time. Was taking 2-3 bars a day too.

 

[pcplease]

Yes about a year ago became available in bulk and still is, now.

0.25mg roughly as effective as 1-2mg clonazepam, but with a steep dose/response curve and 0.5mg+ feels like 5mg+. Should be treated like clonazolam or flubromazolam where anything above 0.25mg+ is a heavy dose with potential blackout/delusions of sobriety and the whole 9 yards. I made my solution at 1mg/1ml so 0.25ml is easy enough, but you can buy micropipette droppers that are pretty accurate ranging from 20-40 drops per ml depending on the dropper size/shape. I agree that anyone taking it needs to know its nature- 2hr+ onset (sublingual helps a lot), peak effects may drop off after 8-10hrs at responsible doses, but is still active and an effective anxiolytic for 24+hrs