Benzos Anyone have any experience with Clobromazolam/Phenazolam (they are the same benzo from what I can tell)

[NoneButTheRain]

I'm seein these available and the doses are very low dosed (0.5mg or 1mg). Vendor is very careful to emphasize that 0.5mg is perfect dose for people without insane tolerances. The effects seem to indicate sedative hypnotic effects. The vendor has no minimum to buy and now I'm intensely curious. Anyone tried them? Thanks.

 

[goaway12345]

Do they have anxiolytic properties?

 

[NoneButTheRain]

I have absolutely no idea to be honest. Doesn't seem to say so on the listing

 

[Esperighanto]

I've seen some people on reddit claim it's experientially similar to clonazolam and bromazolam, with similarly low dosing, come-up times ~1-1.5 hour(s), somewhat sedative, and is apparently extremely clear headed and prone to delusions of sobriety. Phenazolam is one of those clonazolam-like benzos that would land a ton of people in blackout incidents if it lasted longer, but it seems like it was briefly on DNs and then just vanished in favor of fresh batches of bromazolam. I'm not sure why the market got flooded with 99% bromazolam and then 1% clobromazolam, and while bromazolam is similarly dangerous, it's not quite as hyperpotent at least.

 

[TheFunkeeJunkee]

Unpopular opinion: Am I the only person that thinks all benzodiazepines basically feel so similar in effect, any distinction outside of duration and onset of action basically meaningless?

I've tried bromazolam, flubromazolam, etizolam, diazepam, lorazepam, midazolam, oxazepam, nitrazepam, clonazepam, you name it. I honest to god, hand on a bible believe that I couldn't tell you the difference between any of them if it weren't for onset and duration of action and even that probably not.

 

[Esperighanto]

Unpopular opinion: Am I the only person that thinks all benzodiazepines basically feel so similar in effect, any distinction outside of duration and onset of action basically meaningless?

I've tried bromazolam, flubromazolam, etizolam, diazepam, lorazepam, midazolam, oxazepam, nitrazepam, clonazepam, you name it. I honest to god, hand on a bible believe that I couldn't tell you the difference between any of them if it weren't for onset and duration of action and even that probably not.

I've met people who also claim all stimulants feel the same, all cannabinoids feel the same, all opioids feel identical, all benzos, the only class I haven't encountered that with as of yet is psychedelics. Nobody has told me that vaporized DMT, LSD, and mescaline feel the same yet. I can feel differences between almost every substance in the aforementioned classes of drugs though, personally.

 

[Mana0909]

I'm seein these available and the doses are very low dosed (0.5mg or 1mg). Vendor is very careful to emphasize that 0.5mg is perfect dose for people without insane tolerances. The effects seem to indicate sedative hypnotic effects. The vendor has no minimum to buy and now I'm intensely curious. Anyone tried them? Thanks.

Hey there,

I've tried Clobromazolam/Phenazolam, and I can give you some insights. These are very similar benzo, and they are quite potent. The doses are very low, typically around 0.5mg to 1mg. For someone without a high tolerance, 0.5mg is usually enough to feel the effects.

Dosage:

• 0.5mg for beginners or those with low tolerance.
• 1mg for those with a bit more experience or higher tolerance.

Effects:

• Strong sedative and hypnotic effects.
• You'll feel very relaxed and calm, with a significant reduction in anxiety.
• It can make you quite drowsy, so it's best to take it when you don't need to be active.

Comparison Between Clobromazolam and Phenazolam:

• Clobromazolam: Known for its strong sedative and hypnotic effects. It has a rapid onset and a long duration of action. It's highly potent and should be used with caution.
• Phenazolam: Structurally similar to Clobromazolam, with similar effects. It is also highly potent and has strong sedative and hypnotic properties. The main difference lies in their chemical structure, but their effects are quite comparable.

Overall, Clobromazolam/Phenazolam is a powerful sedative-hypnotic benzo. It's great for short-term use to help with severe insomnia or anxiety, but be cautious with the dosage due to its potency.

Comparison to Other Benzos (I've tried to bind them together, because I find both of them quiet similar):

• Alprazolam (Xanax): Clobromazolam/Phenazolam is stronger and more sedative. Alprazolam is more for anxiety and panic attacks, while Clobromazolam/Phenazolam is more for sedation.
• Lorazepam (Ativan): Lorazepam is also strong, but Clobromazolam/Phenazolam has a more pronounced sedative effect. Lorazepam is better for anxiety and short-term use.
• Oxazepam (Serax): Oxazepam is milder and has a slower onset. Clobromazolam/Phenazolam is much stronger and faster-acting.
• Temazepam (Restoril): Temazepam is a strong hypnotic, but Clobromazolam/Phenazolam is even more potent. Temazepam is better for sleep maintenance.
• Tetrazepam: Tetrazepam is more of a muscle relaxant with moderate sedative effects. Clobromazolam/Phenazolam is stronger in terms of sedation.
• Methaqualone/Mephenaqualone (Quaaludes): These are very euphoric and sedative, more then Clobromazolam/Phenazolam and also with a higher addiction potential and more intense effects.
• Diazepam (Valium): Clobromazolam/Phenazolam is much stronger and more sedative. Diazepam is more for anxiety and muscle relaxation, while Clobromazolam/Phenazolam is more for knocking you out.
• Clonazepam (Klonopin): Clonazepam is also strong, but Clobromazolam/Phenazolam has a more pronounced sedative effect. Clonazepam is better for long-term anxiety control.
• Rilmazafone: This one is a prodrug that converts to an active benzo in the body. It's milder compared to Clobromazolam/Phenazolam and has a shorter duration.
• Flunitrazepam (Rohypnol): Flunitrazepam is very strong and has a notorious reputation. Clobromazolam/Phenazolam is similar in strength but doesn't have the same level of euphoria.

Overall, Clobromazolam/Phenazolam is a powerful sedative-hypnotic benzo. It's great for short-term use to help with severe insomnia or anxiety, but be cautious with the dosage due to its potency.

Stay Safe, Mana0909

 

[TheFunkeeJunkee]

I've met people who also claim all stimulants feel the same, all cannabinoids feel the same, all opioids feel identical, all benzos, the only class I haven't encountered that with as of yet is psychedelics. Nobody has told me that vaporized DMT, LSD, and mescaline feel the same yet. I can feel differences between almost every substance in the aforementioned classes of drugs though, personally.

I can *feel* differences between X benzo and Y benzo but the differences aren't ever enough to draw a meaningful distinction. As I can with opioids, 2a agonists, NMDA antagonists etc but it seems to me within these drug classes there exists a diverse array of effect profiles, whereas with benzodiazepines you don't get that diversity of effects within a single class.

I think even with psychedelics most people couldn't not meaningfully differentiate in a double blind 2C-C from 2,4,5-TMA for instance. I can't recall the exact paper (I could find it if you'd be interested) but in it, human participants couldn't reliably pass a drug discrimination test between psilocyn and DXM. Some did, others didn't.

 

[JackARoe]

Unpopular opinion: Am I the only person that thinks all benzodiazepines basically feel so similar in effect, any distinction outside of duration and onset of action basically meaningless?

That would be me too. This fall I took diazepam a few times, alprazolam a few times, and etizolam a few times. I learned all 3 of those kick in quick and once "benzo'd" it could be have been any of those when I took them. None lasted more than 8 hours (for all the talk of diazepam and long half life too). so I swear I would only be guessing between those. I understand people that have a benzo career can tell the difference. But to someone that uses only on occasion it can be difficult telling the difference

Now the hypnotic ones like trialzolam and flunitrazepam seem differernt and I probably could tell. But yeah the others are all seem so so similar. Slight relaxation for me and amnesia that sort of irritates me.

 

[Esperighanto]

I understand people that have a benzo career can tell the difference. But to someone that uses only on occasion it can be difficult telling the difference

This is really what I've noticed too, outside of a couple of simple pharmacokinetic factors like duration and come up time. CloBro took easily over an hour to be fully settled in but only 20-30 minutes until I noticed first alerts. I've seen people take 2-3 hours before being noticeably affected by bromazolam, but I've never seen alprazolam take more than ten to fifteen minutes.

The other somewhat undeniable elements I've seen are that some (like rohypnol) are much more hypnotic than others, and for people with chronic pain issues, myorelaxant benzos are noticeably painkilling.

 

[Esperighanto]

psilocyn and DXM. Some did, others didn't.

This study was really fascinating, as it applied to first and second plateau doses but not third and fourth, as far as the DXM goes. I've been fortunate enough to have friends around who are willing to participate in blind studies where they might get LSD, psilocin, THC, 2C-B or a placebo, and it seems like LSD and psilocin are easy to mix up, but cannabinoids and phenethylamines seem noticeably different to most people. Funny enough, the only one often mixed up with the placebo was THC.

 

[Thumper92]

Unpopular opinion: Am I the only person that thinks all benzodiazepines basically feel so similar in effect, any distinction outside of duration and onset of action basically meaningless?

I've tried bromazolam, flubromazolam, etizolam, diazepam, lorazepam, midazolam, oxazepam, nitrazepam, clonazepam, you name it. I honest to god, hand on a bible believe that I couldn't tell you the difference between any of them if it weren't for onset and duration of action and even that probably not.

 

[Thumper92]

Valium>clonazepam in terms of muscle relaxing euphoric sedation.
Alprazolam is a quick end of 2nd round knockout (literally quells and stops attacks in it's track within 10 minutes) it's a clean punch in the angst-ridden nads. Lol. Bromazolam is more recreational than alprazolam. Very similar. Clobromazolam is more potent but similar to clonazepam as well with the mildly euphoric relaxation. Bromazolam is basically xanax and clobro is kpins ime

 

[pcplease]

i always say the same things online, though phenazolam probably builds up over time way more than clonazepam due to the structure. phenazolam is way more physically intoxicating/muscle weakness for me and i i would agree that diazepams muscle relaxation is a more pleasant feeling which few (norflurazepam did) benzos touch

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Unpopular opinion: Am I the only person that thinks all benzodiazepines basically feel so similar in effect, any distinction outside of duration and onset of action basically meaningless?

I've tried bromazolam, flubromazolam, etizolam, diazepam, lorazepam, midazolam, oxazepam, nitrazepam, clonazepam, you name it. I honest to god, hand on a bible believe that I couldn't tell you the difference between any of them if it weren't for onset and duration of action and even that probably not.

Yeah, but i would except Temazepam for its Euphoric effects other Benzo s lack.
And also Clobazam and Pyrazolam which ime are functional Benzo s.
They lack hypnotic, muscle-relaxation and amnesia effects. So kinda clean.

All the the rest more or less the same, though Flu/Nitrazepam, Nimetazepam
and a few others seem different too [Pyenazolam ao]. More euphoric.