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Anyone else think Heroin will be legalized one day?

^ I disagree. Prohibition does not remove demand. And legality of a dangerous product does not increase it's demand.

The real problem would come from public intoxication. I'd be all for high penalties for public use, intoxicated driving, etc if it meant drug decriminalization.
 
i just don't think its a good idea for heroin to be freely available to anyone who cares to try it. if you are addicted already, and it means you stop hustling to pay for it, great. if you are just curious to try it to see what the hype is about, i don't think you need access to heroin, that isn't reducing harm. by regulating the sale of drugs, you can restrict their accessibility in a logical manner. e.g. people wouldn't be able to buy 10 tabs of acid every day, people wouldn't be able to buy 10 grams of mdma a week, people wouldn't be able to buy highly addictive drugs like heroin, unless they are already addicted. i guess forms of amphetamine which are less neurotoxic than meth would be sold, but i don't think it would be a great idea for people to be able to smoke or inject shard, but that might be idealistic.

if the prices for all these drug services is much lower than the current black market, and there is intelligent restriction of personal recreational amounts, i think it would work better than purely anarchic "do whatever you want to your body".
 
Education would have to change first, as well as politicians and everyone who makes an absurd amount of money with the current system (the pharmaceutical industry is one of the principals)
People seems to forget that opiates have been ilegal only during a very small period of the human history. Heroin has been legal before as well as morphine and of course opium which was legal for thousands of years. I don't really have the time to elaborate on this but I recommend to the closed-minded people to research some drug history, there's a really good book called "The General History of Drugs" by Antonio Escohotado (Historia general de las drogas in spanish).

An example for this is the Roman civilization where opium was very popular but the concept of being addicted to it didn't exist, of course some people were dependent on it but it wasn't seen as a bad thing, it wasn't a problem for the society as opposed to alcohol addiction at the time. That's funny because today it's usually the opposite.
 
I think a big issue people neglect when dealin with the past as the above post has is today's ease of access. Sure Romans and other cultures had opium but depending on where your speaking of in history it may have only arrived a few times a year or been extremely hard to get. Also probably fairly impure. Today anyone can get anything in 15 mins. I'm just saying that is a major difference between the past and now
 
^ Thats true, they didn't had pure substances neither. Sure we can't expect it to happen like it did in the past but what I meant to say is things don't stay the same, we change as a society so its very possible that heroin will be legal sometime in the future. But for it to happen we would have to approach drugs with a different mentality IMO, its already to happening in some way like the OP said.
 
ykm420 said:
No, unless they want mass OD's, then yes.
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How would having accurate dosages cause mass ODs? Obviously if it were to be legalized, there would have to be some sort of educational program to let people know what to do. I would think that you could fit a lot of good info into a pamphlet given to the user with their purchase.
 
Because educated blers never die from overdoses on prescription opiates + benzos
 
Education won't stop tolerance. Education won't stop dependence.

Legal issues aside, the bigger threat from heroin is the yoke you have to wear around your neck. the rich and powerful have no fear of the law yet history is littered with such people whose lives were crippled by addiction. Opium dens from the turn of last century were not filled with functioning addicts. Why would it be any different today?
 
Mysterie said:
Because educated blers never die from overdoses on prescription opiates + benzos
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I'm not saying ODs won't occur, just that it's unlikely to be a larger problem than it is now where it's absolute guesswork when it comes to true dosages. I'd imagine that given the number of users of illicit vs rx opiates, that a smaller percentage of people OD from rx opiates when that is the only drug taken. If it wasn't 3:30am and I wasn't eating something right now, I'd bother to look up some stats on that, but it's probably pretty hard to get an accurate number of people that have used heroin.
 
lazylazyjoe said:
Yes, but prescription ODs w/ benzos are either intentional, or due to user error/stupidity.

I'm fine with both of those.
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Most of the time it's due to the combo of opiates and benzos. I mean, with Alprazolam, you have to take ridiculous amounts to get to a lethal dose iirc.
 
^ That's what I mean. User error/stupidity.

There's 'accidental' overdose, say someone slipped fentanyl in your dope.
And then there's 'recklessly accidental' overdose, like mixing benzos,alcohol, & opiates.

Decriminalization will remove most accidental overdoses, but you can't regulate recklessness & stupidity.
 
lazylazyjoe said:
^ That's what I mean. User error/stupidity.

There's 'accidental' overdose, say someone slipped fentanyl in your dope.
And then there's 'recklessly accidental' overdose, like mixing benzos,alcohol, & opiates.

Decriminalization will remove most accidental overdoses, but you can't regulate recklessness & stupidity.
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No you can't, but I'd wager that you could at the least minimize the stupidity via education. The biggest benefit to the safety of the user of legalization is that you can force feed them info on the drug before they use it. Force them to have a consult with a Dr before allowing a first time purchase, give them pamphlets of info, directories of places, website, etc where info can be found. All these things can only have a positive effect on the number of ODs due to reckless behavior as most people don't want to die, just feel good.

The only issue I see with legalization is how to prevent more people from using. I've read that prices do have an effect on how many people use a drug. I've seen it speculated that price is why you see much more heroin use now compared to other "hard" drugs and in my neck of the woods, it is the cheapest drug around, being nearly half the price a dose of cocaine. So as much as I'd love a source of cheap, quality heroin, I'm unsure that lowering the price is the prudent thing to do. Maybe a "sin" tax to keep prices near what they are now on the street is the way to go.
 
ykm420 said:
No, unless they want mass OD's, then yes.
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The same number of people die per year from acetaminophen overdoses as do heroin overdoses.. and Heroin isn't regulated.

Acetaminophen is also known as Paracetamol, by the way.
 
^And with decriminalization comes safe injection sites.
The one in Vancouver has had 0 deaths from well over 1,000 ODs.
So, if anything there will be less deaths from heroin ODs.
 
BlondieUK said:
The same number of people die per year from acetaminophen overdoses as do heroin overdoses.. and Heroin isn't regulated.

Acetaminophen is also known as Paracetamol, by the way.
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I highly doubt your 'stats' are even remotely correct.. Thankfully you were here to tell me what APAP was, by the way. Google never lies.
 
If you'd bothered to read my original post I covered the main points of the argument, which were repeatedly rehashed and concluded thereafter nonetheless. Legalisation means standardisation, controlled doses and regulated substance potency's. Would you rather drink moonshine or jack daniels? Same thing.
 
Perhaps decriminalization in a hundred years or so for medical reasons but that's it. Heroin is not like pot or alcohol the amount of people that use it for and can stay on recreational doses is extremely small.

You're ignoring a lot of the history and usage of pot, it doesn't matter how DARE and the government have painted it people have been anticipating it's legality since the 60's. No one anticipates the legalization of heroin except addicts.

I mean maybe I'm wrong and in a few hundred years there will be recreational shooting galleries "take the kids over to smack world and get blissed out sale on china white today only" and a resurgence of opium dens, etc but it seems farfetched. The counterculture of heroin users doesn't seem particularly inspired by it, they do things in spite of heroin not because of it, like the man said (william burroughs) junk is not for kicks it is a way of life.
 
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