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anybody thinks there's something else out there? other life forms

ebola? said:
This would necessitate that technological societies tend not to be relatively enduring, then, meaning that they aren't around to send signals over a long period.

ebola
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not really.

even if one is long enduring, lasting from long before we arrived and long after we become extinct, say we last 10 or 20 thousand years, the universe is huge. how long would it take to explore it all, even granting some magical teleportation (via wormhole or whatever) or faster than light travel? the chance of exploration reaching here during our 20k years is still arguably low.

as for signals, you're correct in we may simply be not decoding them. also they may not be sending them. i wouldn't take for granted that other intelligences would try what we endeavour to do.
 
ebola? said:
So how do people here reckon with the Fermi paradox (that the probability of extra-terrestrial intelligences is likely very high, but we have not yet been contacted by any)?
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Most ancient Eastern spiritual systems assert that there are limitless numbers of other beings in the universe, but our capacity to witness and interact with them has to do with the specific plane we inhabit. There may be other physical life out there like us, but due to the limitations of our plane it's hard to get to them. On the other hand, there are beings inhabiting the planes "above" and "below" us, and with spiritual advancement we can interact with them in non-corporeal form. You don't need FTL technology to get there, just an advanced form of spirituality.

The Fermi paradox can be reconciled by understanding that there is a great cosmic highway all around us, but most humans lack the openness of spirit to witness it. It's not about them revealing themselves to us, but us evolving to the point where we can join them. It makes sense to me that there should be a test for any sentient civilization to join the rest of the universal community. If you can't be open enough to get there then you're probably not worth dealing with.
 
^i like those ideas dearly, but there is not one shred of evidence for it. :|
 
Foreigner said:
Most ancient Eastern spiritual systems assert that there are limitless numbers of other beings in the universe, but our capacity to witness and interact with them has to do with the specific plane we inhabit. There may be other physical life out there like us, but due to the limitations of our plane it's hard to get to them. On the other hand, there are beings inhabiting the planes "above" and "below" us, and with spiritual advancement we can interact with them in non-corporeal form. You don't need FTL technology to get there, just an advanced form of spirituality.

The Fermi paradox can be reconciled by understanding that there is a great cosmic highway all around us, but most humans lack the openness of spirit to witness it. It's not about them revealing themselves to us, but us evolving to the point where we can join them. It makes sense to me that there should be a test for any sentient civilization to join the rest of the universal community. If you can't be open enough to get there then you're probably not worth dealing with.
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I could definitely see this being possible. I can conceive of beings whose presence in our world has momentarily been felt either accidentally or via their efforts, but whose interaction with our sentient experience can't be elicited by us with any reliability -- hence the lack of hard evidence. If they exist, I imagine they are so unlike anything we're used to calling a sentient being, that calling them spiritual beings, aliens, or visitors from other dimensions will be a purely semantic debate.
 
Of course there's other life forms out there. And they've visited this planet...that's probably how humans came up with the idea of gods, and Asgard.
 
there are quite a few fairly intelligent species on earth we are entirely unable to communicate with in any meaningful way. And even if we could, what do we really have to say to one another?

I would think alien life is highly likely to be too much smarter, or too much dumber to be worth communicating with. Or just driven by interests so fundamentally different as to make communication pointless, confusing and unsatisfying
 
I know for a fact that there's other life out there. It all began when i had an out-of-body-experience on Salvia and i was whisked away as if by magic to what i can only describe as more real than our 5-senses reality. There i spoke with 3 light beings who told me not to worry and ever since then i had had many supernatural encounters and have experienced other psychic phenomena as well as synchronicity. Infact it was the start of a long journey of 7 years and counting and twisting, transforming and changing.

Like Terence McKenna said, users of psychedelic drugs often describe cartoon-like experiences with beings.


Also for the last 2 years i have had the pleasure of speaking to a being who calls herself La-Cinderella and although she seems to be out to give me a bad experience, as long as i keep my wits about me she stays calm and won't do much more than distract me from normal every day living. This being also somehow put faces on the wall in my back yard which got me into trouble actually because unfortunately 'normal' people can't see them. This however does not mean they arent there.

I have made up an example dialogue between myself and La-Cinderella which you can check out here:

http://lyricaltank.blogspot.com/2013/02/you-should-be-asleep.html

If i had to compare my experiences to a movie, i'd describe my adventure after having my profound experiences on Salvia, Psilocybin mushrooms and cannabis to be somewhat like Alice in Wonderland. :)
 
I have been communicated to by supernatural beings while under the influence of mushrooms, and have sensed them while under the influence of salvia.
 
the last place i would look for any contact is while intoxication is present, slightly behind dream visitations.
 
People often forget that our experience of other entities in sober, everyday consciousness is something that our brain produces from a meager sampling of data streaming in from sensory organs. It follows that the brain could easily produce entities with which one makes contact while intoxicated, even if these entities appear to lie outside the scope of one's imagination.

ebola
 
ebola? said:
It follows that the brain could easily produce entities with which one makes contact while intoxicated, even if these entities appear to lie outside the scope of one's imagination.
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It could. But surely you admit that this too is an assumption?

It's not like we know everything there is to know about consciousness.
 
being intoxicate doesn't make contact impossible, but we need to only consider cases with the least number of variable.

"i want to believe" + "a psychedelic" = almost certain "contact"
 
Foreigner said:
It could. But surely you admit that this too is an assumption?
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Right, but we need to take a look at what kind of explanations are more parsimonious, given the absence of definitive evidence. We'd need some firmer account of why it would be that psychedelics aid our ability to contact them and/or why such entities would favor contacting humans while they're on a psychedelic drug. I will concede that it seems pretty likely that intelligences exist outside of our ability to easily perceive them.

ebola
 
ebola? said:
Right, but we need to take a look at what kind of explanations are more parsimonious, given the absence of definitive evidence. We'd need some firmer account of why it would be that psychedelics aid our ability to contact them and/or why such entities would favor contacting humans while they're on a psychedelic drug. I will concede that it seems pretty likely that intelligences exist outside of our ability to easily perceive them.

ebola
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I agree and I'm not being definitive, just speculative. Take mushrooms for example. There is some evidence now that their mechanism involves reducing blood flow to certain areas of the brain, resulting in an alternation in perceptual filters.

I'm just wondering what the absence of certain filters in the brain permits humans to see and experience, and why we would have those filters in the first place. Perhaps to make sure we can have a more material experience?

I have for a long time wondered if psychedelics tweak our filters to allow other states of existence to become perceptible.
 
didn't we evolve those filters in order to make the intake of stimulus more manageable? had they not been there, how could we fight/flight aka survive?
 
I think it would be rather stupid to atleast not be open to the possibility of their being other life forms existing or having existed somewhere out in space. The earth is 4.54 billion years old with humans only being around for a fraction of that. Now would it be a stretch to think that some other being have been around longer or shorter then us? There is no scientific data to back up the claim by certain people that aliens have visited earth and personally i think all that conspiracy stuff was just a load of nonsense. After all UFO sightings where most prominent during the cold war and almost unheard of before WW2 so the logical conclusion there would be that these UFO sightings where really just man made devices and that alien conspiracy theories where a great way to cover up what was really going on.

But if beings on another planet have existed much longer then us chances are their technology is much more advanced then ours. So it would be sort of like a human trying to communicate with a chimp really. I think the idea of a God, ghosts and any other superstitions is just nonsense but the idea that somewhere out there other beings exist is atleast plausible in my opinion.
 
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