Exhausted Anybody else desperately crave painkillers but feel like they deserve how they feel?

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I feel unimportant and written off by even the most important people to me. They always tell me to talk to them but when I do I'm told to go away or my input is disregarded. When i look at myself i want better but understand that i really do not deserve anything better. I've got a 'final' stash of pills mixed of antihistamines, oxy, benzos and muscle relaxers from when I was a pill head that looks tastier every day..
 
like you feel like you deserve to be in pain, so you don't treat yourself with pain killers?

i can get the feeling of feeling like i deserve to have an injury... when me and my bros were like 18, we were drinking. we weren't really drunk after a couple hours and were out of booze, so my friend thought we should go to this truck stop and get some food. anyways, we hit a deer that jumped in the road on the way. i don't know if he could've avoided it even if we were sober, but i always felt like it was a poor choice to take that drive, and when i got hit by a car later on, i felt like it was because of some of my poor choices and it happened cause hitting the deer. i have at times felt like i deserve to live in pain. i can rationalize that this isn't the truth.. i used to take psychedelics to help treat my back like i just mentioned in another thread.. i mostly just don't like pain killers... but yeah. i have felt like i should be in pain.. playing guitar really hurts my back. if it weren't for what i believe are signs from god, i'd probably still play guitar and write songs about hurting my back because of hitting a deer. i might make the choice to live in pain if i didn't see other wise... i can relate to self loathing though even if my experience is different than what's going on with the OP.
 
I feel unimportant and written off by even the most important people to me. They always tell me to talk to them but when I do I'm told to go away or my input is disregarded. When i look at myself i want better but understand that i really do not deserve anything better. I've got a 'final' stash of pills mixed of antihistamines, oxy, benzos and muscle relaxers from when I was a pill head that looks tastier every day..
So, I am having a bit of a struggle understanding where you are at in all of this exactly. I understand that you are recovering from an opiate addiction, but I have no backstory on which to base a solid response which is limiting in and of itself. I understand that you feel as if you are being cast aside by those who are most important to you now, but I don't know exactly who these people are or their stories either. I would need a lot more detail in order to help you process the experience which you are currently going through, but I am sure I would be able to understand and help if you could provide me with such information.

In terms of feeling like the pain is deserved, I do not entirely relate because nobody necessarily "deserves" to be in pain. However, pain is often times necessary for growth. So, that being the case, maybe this pain you are undergoing is necessary for you to be projected forward into something beautiful in life. When I came out of my addiction I felt a LOT of pain, but I didn't feel it was "deserved." None the less, this pain acted as the motivation necessary for me to begin rebuilding my life from the ground up which I am currently doing at present. If this is how you must look at the pain you are going through then so be it. And, maybe, if you work through this instead of going back to the pills you will also be able to build a better and brighter future like I am doing at present for myself.

By returning to your use, you are limiting your options. But, if you stay clean, then you can see more clearly over time if there are certain changes you must make in life to find a better place for yourself to be in. For example, say these people you are looking up to or finding important turn out to simply not be so, then you can work to find new people with which to associate who can and will be there for you in your time of need. Or, maybe these really _are_ people of importance and they simply do not know how to respond because they are unfamiliar with the struggles of addiction and recovery. This is why I say I need more information to properly respond in depth, but I do know one thing and that is that if you return to your use then you are only going to feel more of this pain which you do not necessarily deserve.

You feel you deserve it because of some things that you did or had happen in your active addiction, and that is totally valid to feel this way. But, emotions are just emotions and they should not be allowed to get the better of us. It sounds to me like you are experiencing a craving which is turning into an urge more and more every day. If you can learn to "urge surf" as it is called, then you will be more prepared in the future when these emotions come about. This is how you will build up your defenses to achieve long term sobriety. This is a marathon, not a race. Keep that in mind, and if you would like to share more then feel free to do so. I am here to listen and help wherever possible.
 
So, I am having a bit of a struggle understanding where you are at in all of this exactly. I understand that you are recovering from an opiate addiction, but I have no backstory on which to base a solid response which is limiting in and of itself. I understand that you feel as if you are being cast aside by those who are most important to you now, but I don't know exactly who these people are or their stories either. I would need a lot more detail in order to help you process the experience which you are currently going through, but I am sure I would be able to understand and help if you could provide me with such information.

In terms of feeling like the pain is deserved, I do not entirely relate because nobody necessarily "deserves" to be in pain. However, pain is often times necessary for growth. So, that being the case, maybe this pain you are undergoing is necessary for you to be projected forward into something beautiful in life. When I came out of my addiction I felt a LOT of pain, but I didn't feel it was "deserved." None the less, this pain acted as the motivation necessary for me to begin rebuilding my life from the ground up which I am currently doing at present. If this is how you must look at the pain you are going through then so be it. And, maybe, if you work through this instead of going back to the pills you will also be able to build a better and brighter future like I am doing at present for myself.

By returning to your use, you are limiting your options. But, if you stay clean, then you can see more clearly over time if there are certain changes you must make in life to find a better place for yourself to be in. For example, say these people you are looking up to or finding important turn out to simply not be so, then you can work to find new people with which to associate who can and will be there for you in your time of need. Or, maybe these really _are_ people of importance and they simply do not know how to respond because they are unfamiliar with the struggles of addiction and recovery. This is why I say I need more information to properly respond in depth, but I do know one thing and that is that if you return to your use then you are only going to feel more of this pain which you do not necessarily deserve.

You feel you deserve it because of some things that you did or had happen in your active addiction, and that is totally valid to feel this way. But, emotions are just emotions and they should not be allowed to get the better of us. It sounds to me like you are experiencing a craving which is turning into an urge more and more every day. If you can learn to "urge surf" as it is called, then you will be more prepared in the future when these emotions come about. This is how you will build up your defenses to achieve long term sobriety. This is a marathon, not a race. Keep that in mind, and if you would like to share more then feel free to do so. I am here to listen and help wherever possible.
The worst of the reasons I hate myself will go to my grave with me, even with the relative anonymity of bluelight, I would kill myself before discussing the deepest reasons, but with some vagueness, I'll explain my best. I guess the reason I can't talk to anybody I'm close to about this stuff is because it would hurt them too much. None of them (the closest to me) know I've been an opioid addict. I think they would judge me too much, even just myself, I judge me. And even then, it's not just that I've used the drugs, it's how I've gotten them too. I've stolen opioids and different sedatives from both of my living grandparents and one's wife. One of them has cancer. I told myself I would never take hers. But guess what? One day i was watching her dog, i have no clue what happened, but something made me decide to take a razor blade to all 28 of the pills in her script and trim the edges off, she has cancer. If I were to tell anybody I love that, they would rightfully hate me almost as much as I do. I wouldn't even call what I had with opioids a physical addiction. I'm just a massive piece of shit. Any time I try to express my self hatred to my loved ones they tell me I'm a great person because they recall all the good shit I do outwardly and when I was younger. But all I recall of myself is the horrible things I've done and the drugs I've done to forget, but the reasons i took them are still deeply imbeded in my brain, but my short term memory is fucked. I just can't stand being told I'm a good person because I know damnwell I'm not, and everybody thinks it will make me feel better, but it makes it so much worse because they're lying to me.
 
No, I don't crave them, even after the better part of a decade on pure oxycodone. I use them for pain I brought on myself, eh. Overated.

So was morphine, now IV Dilaudid, that is a whole other story 😆.
 
The worst of the reasons I hate myself will go to my grave with me, even with the relative anonymity of bluelight, I would kill myself before discussing the deepest reasons, but with some vagueness, I'll explain my best. I guess the reason I can't talk to anybody I'm close to about this stuff is because it would hurt them too much. None of them (the closest to me) know I've been an opioid addict. I think they would judge me too much, even just myself, I judge me. And even then, it's not just that I've used the drugs, it's how I've gotten them too. I've stolen opioids and different sedatives from both of my living grandparents and one's wife. One of them has cancer. I told myself I would never take hers. But guess what? One day i was watching her dog, i have no clue what happened, but something made me decide to take a razor blade to all 28 of the pills in her script and trim the edges off, she has cancer. If I were to tell anybody I love that, they would rightfully hate me almost as much as I do. I wouldn't even call what I had with opioids a physical addiction. I'm just a massive piece of shit. Any time I try to express my self hatred to my loved ones they tell me I'm a great person because they recall all the good shit I do outwardly and when I was younger. But all I recall of myself is the horrible things I've done and the drugs I've done to forget, but the reasons i took them are still deeply imbeded in my brain, but my short term memory is fucked. I just can't stand being told I'm a good person because I know damnwell I'm not, and everybody thinks it will make me feel better, but it makes it so much worse because they're lying to me.
Okay, so now I better understand where you are coming from in your feelings. To me this sounds a lot like depression to be totally honest with you, and with that having been said I think that you are doing well in acknowledging the reasons why you feel this way even if you don't feel comfortable admitting this in full to anyone at this point in time.

Now, while I am not a big proponent of the 12 step programs due to a multitude of factors, I have gotten some very good insight into how one might go about recovery in a way that helps alleviate a lot of the feelings that you have right now. Part of the 12 step programs involve making a list of things you'd done to harm others along with reasons for why you did them (pride/ego, sexual desires, etc.) then admit these things to yourself, your idea of a higher power, and another human being. The goal is to get these things off your chest so they no longer eat you up as much inside since they are currently bottled up. Some people admit these things to a Priest, a sponsor, or just a random stranger on the streets (because who is a homeless person going to tell anyway for example's sake.) So, I encourage you to continue working toward gaining confidence in talking to others about the things you're holding back on letting go through admissions of your guilt. Often times it is said that the reason people relapse who are in the 12 step programs is because they held back on this "searching and fearless" moral inventory. Just some thoughts for your to consider, but I am not saying this is going to miraculously resolve the issues at hand. As I said, that is just one of many ways I have come across which may be beneficial in addressing these deep dark secrets that are keeping you from embracing recovery to the fullest.

Other alternatives and ideas include cognitive behavioral approaches such as rational emotive behavioral therapy which can lead to a new way of thinking that will alleviate these emotions you have when others are trying to cheer you up. You do deserve to be reminded of who you really are as a person, and a big take away I had from my inpatient rehabilitation was from a motivational speaker who constantly reminded us that man's greatest tragedy is to think that he is his worst mistake(s) in life. That is absolutely untrue, and this is _very_ important to remember in sobriety. Keep looking at it like this, "I used to have a psychological addiction to opiates which caused me to do some pretty shitty things, but I choose to no longer do opiates today because using them only perpetuates the cycle of doing shitty things and then feeling worse than I did originally. Today I choose to be the good person I know I am, and even if I make mistakes I will not allow them to define me. Everyone makes mistakes because we are all only human. No one is perfect, and we each have our own unique flaws which is okay. This is how things are supposed to be." If you didn't feel bad about doing the bad things you did in your past, then _that_ would be concerning. But, since you acknowledge these errors in your ways, you now have the perfect opportunity to look at the thoughts that led to the emotions that led you to act in a certain way. Once you understand why you ended up doing the shitty things you did, then you can begin to explore alternative thoughts about the nature of things which will lead you to develop new, healthier ways of coping with intrusive thoughts and emotions.

These are just some thoughts that come to mind right off the top of my head, but there are plenty of other approaches as well. And, I personally believe recover is best done by utilizing multiple means to achieve the goal. No one should solely focus on just 12 step programs or CBT like REBT for example, and harm reduction may be the initial goal which you can then expand on as you grow in your attempts at becoming sober. But, ultimately, if you keep working on improving your thinking then you will have no choice but to stop using because you will no longer see a reason. That is the point at which you will be able to finally say, "I used to be an opiate addict, but today I choose to work on myself instead of using." And, that is the point at which you will be able to start helping others who are going through what you are now because you made it through the dark times successfully. Maybe the people you endeavor to help will get it right off. Maybe some of these people will relapse. But, the reality is that by even attempting to help others who are struggling you are helping yourself stay sober because it keeps the pain and suffering fresh in your mind because you are able to relate to the plight of these people you are working with. And, this is what I (and millions of other successfully recovering drug users) do to stay sober today.

I would suggest looking into Integrative Harm Reduction Therapy as well as it really helped me overcome my biggest struggles in early recovery when I was relentlessly having AA/NA pushed on me which never worked. IHRT and the multi-modal approach to recovery seemed much more logical and scientifically evidenced to be effective, so its the avenue I took to recover and so far I am still sober. So, if I can do it, then so can you as long as this is something you want for yourself. Be prepared to be uncomfortable at points because if we are comfortable we are not growing. Progress comes from stepping outside your comfort zone. Comfort zones are okay to be in sometimes, but they also keep us using.

Hopefully that all makes sense, and if you have any question or follow up comments then by all means share them. Obviously I do work and have a life outside of Bluelight, but whenever I am free I will be sure to check in and promptly respond. Talk to you some more soon hopefully. Peace.
 
Okay, so now I better understand where you are coming from in your feelings. To me this sounds a lot like depression to be totally honest with you, and with that having been said I think that you are doing well in acknowledging the reasons why you feel this way even if you don't feel comfortable admitting this in full to anyone at this point in time.

Now, while I am not a big proponent of the 12 step programs due to a multitude of factors, I have gotten some very good insight into how one might go about recovery in a way that helps alleviate a lot of the feelings that you have right now. Part of the 12 step programs involve making a list of things you'd done to harm others along with reasons for why you did them (pride/ego, sexual desires, etc.) then admit these things to yourself, your idea of a higher power, and another human being. The goal is to get these things off your chest so they no longer eat you up as much inside since they are currently bottled up. Some people admit these things to a Priest, a sponsor, or just a random stranger on the streets (because who is a homeless person going to tell anyway for example's sake.) So, I encourage you to continue working toward gaining confidence in talking to others about the things you're holding back on letting go through admissions of your guilt. Often times it is said that the reason people relapse who are in the 12 step programs is because they held back on this "searching and fearless" moral inventory. Just some thoughts for your to consider, but I am not saying this is going to miraculously resolve the issues at hand. As I said, that is just one of many ways I have come across which may be beneficial in addressing these deep dark secrets that are keeping you from embracing recovery to the fullest.

Other alternatives and ideas include cognitive behavioral approaches such as rational emotive behavioral therapy which can lead to a new way of thinking that will alleviate these emotions you have when others are trying to cheer you up. You do deserve to be reminded of who you really are as a person, and a big take away I had from my inpatient rehabilitation was from a motivational speaker who constantly reminded us that man's greatest tragedy is to think that he is his worst mistake(s) in life. That is absolutely untrue, and this is _very_ important to remember in sobriety. Keep looking at it like this, "I used to have a psychological addiction to opiates which caused me to do some pretty shitty things, but I choose to no longer do opiates today because using them only perpetuates the cycle of doing shitty things and then feeling worse than I did originally. Today I choose to be the good person I know I am, and even if I make mistakes I will not allow them to define me. Everyone makes mistakes because we are all only human. No one is perfect, and we each have our own unique flaws which is okay. This is how things are supposed to be." If you didn't feel bad about doing the bad things you did in your past, then _that_ would be concerning. But, since you acknowledge these errors in your ways, you now have the perfect opportunity to look at the thoughts that led to the emotions that led you to act in a certain way. Once you understand why you ended up doing the shitty things you did, then you can begin to explore alternative thoughts about the nature of things which will lead you to develop new, healthier ways of coping with intrusive thoughts and emotions.

These are just some thoughts that come to mind right off the top of my head, but there are plenty of other approaches as well. And, I personally believe recover is best done by utilizing multiple means to achieve the goal. No one should solely focus on just 12 step programs or CBT like REBT for example, and harm reduction may be the initial goal which you can then expand on as you grow in your attempts at becoming sober. But, ultimately, if you keep working on improving your thinking then you will have no choice but to stop using because you will no longer see a reason. That is the point at which you will be able to finally say, "I used to be an opiate addict, but today I choose to work on myself instead of using." And, that is the point at which you will be able to start helping others who are going through what you are now because you made it through the dark times successfully. Maybe the people you endeavor to help will get it right off. Maybe some of these people will relapse. But, the reality is that by even attempting to help others who are struggling you are helping yourself stay sober because it keeps the pain and suffering fresh in your mind because you are able to relate to the plight of these people you are working with. And, this is what I (and millions of other successfully recovering drug users) do to stay sober today.

I would suggest looking into Integrative Harm Reduction Therapy as well as it really helped me overcome my biggest struggles in early recovery when I was relentlessly having AA/NA pushed on me which never worked. IHRT and the multi-modal approach to recovery seemed much more logical and scientifically evidenced to be effective, so its the avenue I took to recover and so far I am still sober. So, if I can do it, then so can you as long as this is something you want for yourself. Be prepared to be uncomfortable at points because if we are comfortable we are not growing. Progress comes from stepping outside your comfort zone. Comfort zones are okay to be in sometimes, but they also keep us using.

Hopefully that all makes sense, and if you have any question or follow up comments then by all means share them. Obviously I do work and have a life outside of Bluelight, but whenever I am free I will be sure to check in and promptly respond. Talk to you some more soon hopefully. Peace.
Thank you. This helped.
 
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