Misc Any stimulant drugs similar to 2-fa but with more research behind them?

[Berdo tm1]

Note it would also have to be pretty easy to obtain, no point if its unattainable as Im looking for something I can use on a semi regular basis.

I was thinking of maybe asking my doc for reboxetine as that fits my criteria of being well research, easily available and also a mild stimulant which im after.

Its kind of a double edged sword with RCs in that you can buy them and know they are pure compared to street drugs but at the same time its still a russian roullette since you don't know what the substance will do to you even if it is pure!

I am just interested in finding something which can be used on and off for a motivation booster. 2-fa is par excellence but its not worth risking ones long term health just for an on and off booster.

I guess modafinil would be one but still that only has a short history of use; granted alot more ppl have taken it so it's better researched than 2-fa.

It sucks cos 2-fa is probably the best drug ive taken in my life prima facie in terms of the dopa effect i crave without the insanity of most other drugs.

Any other ideas? I prefer to go with safer bets these days.

Regular amp is ofc well studied but its also a fucking horrible drug from my experience and widely known to have some of the worse comedowns/side effects- also lasts way too long which I am guessing are the main reasons for it's bad comedowns etc since it just keeps motoring the body even when it's out off gas; compared to 2-fa having very similar effects with hardly any noticeable side effects. Granted I would only take it in recreational doses back in the day with no care of harm reduction but even still I remember when only small amounts were in E pills for instance and i could tell cos id be feeling all the more shit the day after.

I considered ephedra but from what Ive read that is on par with speed in its negative effects and has even less/negligible positive benefits.

Perhaps I should finally try kratom as that seems the safest from what Ive been reading and may do what Im after.

 

[Crashing]

Kratom is nothing like 2-fa in any sense, but you may like it regardless of that. I was gonna say... regular amp! But i guess that's out. 2-fma is my favorite, but not incredibly well studied either.

 

[blight12]

I agree Kratom is awesome as a euphoric functional mental stimulant

 

[80ampd]

I agree that Kratom sounds like just what your looking for...But, I don't get it, are you counting out amps like Adderal and Vyvance??

 

[Flaga121]

Kratom is the only substance with an upper effect I'd feel comfortable using as a "functional" stimulant personally.

 

[Berdo tm1]

Ye its true ive never actually tried prescription amp but I imagine theyd be the same as street stuff pretty much. Altho ofc they would be cleaner i think the shitty feeling of amps is endemic to the substance itself rather than impurities from what I'e read. Even what is purported to be 'clean' pure mdma would still have me feeling like shit due to its sheer power/stress on the body.

I mean even guys on here who get prescriptions for vyvanse would complain of the ups and downs preferring 2-fma for its smoothness; unfortunately it holds the same drawbacks as 2-fa.

Ive been finding some good success with the herbs/supplements recently with picamilon and kanna for anxiety/depression, definite effects with minimal negatives, so kratom might be the way to go, id just shied away from it due to its addiction potential but it seems like its the lesser evil compared to the synthetics.

As you say flaga, Id be much more comfortable using something that is not known to be toxic.

 

[sekio]

2-FA and amphetamine are more similar than you'd expect. You just have to account for the fact that most amphetamine is all dextro- and the fluoroamphetamines are only 50% dextro.

 

[blight12]

Yes and bear in mind that normal phara amps like adderal etc versions are inferior to methamphetamine which is the ideal version of amphetamine. Cut and street quality product concerns aside, there is no better type of amphetamine then meth. Of course it has a bad name due to its illegal rec usages etc but its still technically the best version of amps by far in terms of risk/reward/sideeffect ratio when/if used responsibly at specific dosages.

 

[sekio]

You have that backwards, there is plenty of evidence that meth is much nastier for your brain than dextroamphetamine is. See also: this thread from NPD, esp. posts by Seppi.

There's literally no evidence of this even in people abusing amphetamine for a decade.
For recreational use over a decade, the studies indicate that there's marginal (p=.05) statistical significance in reduced DAT function.

Methamphetamine has significant effects in under a year of consistent recreational use.

 

[Berdo tm1]

2-FA and amphetamine are more similar than you'd expect. You just have to account for the fact that most amphetamine is all dextro- and the fluoroamphetamines are only 50% dextro.

How do you mean more similar than Id expect?

Even so this doesnt say anything about it's likelihood of showing previously unknown harmful side effects that regualr amp dont posses does it?

I know that they are very similar indeed, but I also know that even a small change in the molecule can change its effects (both + and -) drastically isn't that true?

I mean we know the positive effects but Im speaking more form a perspective of possible harmful effects which could show themselves down the road? I just speak of this mainly due to the recent posts on the forum by the dude abides (repost of another forum member who i forget the name of) about a guy having to have heart surgery after taking 2-fma for a year and his 'buildup of toxic metabolites' tho that explanation is very tenuous, there is no proving that he wasnt already prone to heart problems beforehand etc.

 

[Berdo tm1]

You have that backwards, there is plenty of evidence that meth is much nastier for your brain than dextroamphetamine is. See also: this thread from NPD, esp. posts by Seppi.

ohhh very interesting thread id wondered the same thing myself alot of the time when ppl chuck the term neurotoxic around like we are automatically supposed to know what it means.

 

[blight12]

You have that backwards, there is plenty of evidence that meth is much nastier for your brain than dextroamphetamine is. See also: this thread from NPD, esp. posts by Seppi.

Ahh ok, I am almost certain I have regularly seen meth being explained as the "best version" of amphetamine here on the forums by trustworthy persons. Now thinking back it was perhaps in reference to the rec results / positive effects vs negative side effects ratio to define "best" and perhaps not the risk profile or physical dangers etc, which your are referring to?