Mental Health Any schizoids on here?

I have a schizoid personality type i'm %100 sure but haven't been diagnosed with the PD.

I had one transient psychotic episode when I was working full time in the city and the 9-5 hysteria was to much for me. I started thinking everyone was against me and I was ready to attack should (I assumed it was coming) anyone attacked me. Needless to say it was horrible and I avoid to much work and stress.

If there's one thing I don't like about being schizoid it's having that low tolerance threshold for stress and high intensity environments. Whilst intellectually capable it worries me that right now I only work 10 hours a week and feel like its enough. I can't support myself in this city on that sort of pay.

Meanwhile I do find pleasure in having few close relationships, there's really nothing wrong with it. Supposedly it's good to have what psychologists call "reality testing-" getting out of isolation occasionally to reconnect with others and the real world.
Certain drugs really help me interact a lot but its more interaction than connection. I wonder if im deficient in truly connecting with others that's why I only have a few relationships except old friends. EDIT - I definitely wanted to add to this because on re-reading it, it's kind of bullshit. Certain mushroom and mdma trips have definitely been about true connection. Fuck am I on about, I'm definitely capable of it. Just being all gloomy haha.

I've had some pretty serious episodes of anhedonia and avolition. It wasn't quite depression but it's two of the most debilitating aspects. Besides that, I really do love being introspective, introverted, intellectual, observant, sensitive, creative, etc.

Like all things in life, there's a yin and yang or balance so to speak, I think.

Something I want to work on is being more aware of the way I speak so I don't sound superior or arrogant to others. I don't mean to, and at times i'm aware I can sound very self-centred or even pompous. Maybe I am to self-centred. It's just an aspect of being weird and isolated that your speech is kind of different, maybe. The sense that you're self-sufficient is ego-boosting. Not sure.
 
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I wrote a lot (1531 words)... thanks, Adderall. Wanted to share my experiences relative to infectedmushroom's post, but it turned into something more like a blog post. Hopefully some of this is of interest, and maybe more can relate and share their own stories.

The short version: I have an actual SPD diagnosis but I don't see much of a point in seeking one out. I have a cushy job where my poor work habits are tolerated, but am scared I won't be able to survive in a less lenient environment and don't know what I'd do if I get to that point. I have few close relationships, and worry about the strain I could put on them since I don't have a big social support network and only have a few people I can rely on. Pharmaceuticals help deal with some negative symptoms, but don't fix the real problems; recreational drugs can but they are ineffective for self-medication and only good for infrequent fun. Depression is the big issue and it's fueled by anhedonia, which can be temporarily overcome with novelty, but a lack of interests makes doing new things hard. I think I would have a much more fulfilling life without this personality type.

Also, saw the edit after I started writing this post - you are probably on to something with sounding self-centered and arrogant. Schizoids can come off as narcissistic. SPD and narcissistic personality disorder are distinct, though, and I think the causes and behaviors are different even though there might be some overlap in how people with either disorder come across to others. IMO the difference is that narcissists are truly self-centered, whereas schizoids are so disinterested in others that the self is all they have.

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There's not much of a purpose in getting a diagnosis for SPD. There aren't any pharmaceutical or therapeutical interventions specifically indicated for it. If you are going for psychotherapy, simply describing your symptoms and asking for help with them is sufficient - the therapist can use whatever diagnosis he/she wishes for billing purposes. It could be useful in some sort of disability claim I suppose. Perhaps it could be useful in getting accommodations so you can avoid situations that are stressful for you. I am considering maybe trying something like that at work so that I get assignments that are more interesting and less stressful. Maybe my therapist can write a letter for me to give to HR, or something, and they can tell my boss to change my workload a bit.

I was diagnosed by a psychiatrist (actually without my knowledge - I saw it in medical records after the fact) and only found out when and how the diagnosis was made months later when I asked my therapist, who had access to the notes. Didn't seem to affect my treatment in any way.

I am able to work effectively in high-stress environments... sometimes. I actually enjoy the stress when working on difficult problems and I'm hypomanic and get way more productive than anyone I work with. It's rare for me to be in that zone... but it's enough to make up for the less productive times. I'm not really good at working a typical work schedule. I was able to do it for a year and a half - worked on time and didn't take days off due to stress/mental health. I wasn't always productive while I was at work, but I got things done on time. I felt miserable all the time, and got burnt out, and quit.

My new job is incredibly flexible and tolerant - awesome because I haven't gotten fired but terrible because it enables all my bad habits. I've probably missed at least fifteen weeks total in the less than two years, between being on actual disability, being actually sick (flu/sinus infection or recovering from surgery), being on actual vacations, or not working due to depression/disinterest/stress. And my work schedule is erratic - we have flexible schedules, and can work from home often, but I take full advantage of that. I spend less time than others in the office when I do go in, and don't always announce that I'm working from home ahead of time (which is expected as a courtesy). I make up for all for all of this by being a very valuable and productive employee when I am actually working. It's the combination of bipolar II and schizoid personality disorder that causes the problem - things go awesome when I'm hypomanic, not too bad when I'm in the middle, and I just fall apart when I'm depressed.

I'm actually really scared to get another job, whether I do it out of necessity or choice (I could get more money elsewhere) - it's unlikely I'd be able to find another one as lenient. It's not exactly something that would be advertised as part of a benefit package or I could ask about during an interview. If I did find an environment where my behavior would be tolerated, I'd probably have to put in a solid six months or so of awesome performance before I could get away with it. It makes me wonder what happens next if I lose my current job - I could probably get another one quickly as long as I am feeling good enough during the interview, but can I actually last through the first month? It probably all depends on whatever state my mood is in at the time.

If the depression and mood swings don't get controlled, and I can't maintain the anti-schizoid mask well enough, I feel that there's a good chance I'll end up unemployable in my current field at some point, and won't be able to maintain my current lifestyle at all. At that point what do I do? Try for disability? Live more cheaply and find an alternative work style, with reduced hours, or occasional projects followed by longer periods of rest/relaxation/recreation? While those are possible, getting that kind of arrangement seems like it would be difficult being schizoid since it's harder for me to build and maintain relationships with people who might be potential clients in a contracting situation.

I have a few close relationships that have lasted for years. I haven't developed any new serious friendships in a long time. Almost all my social interaction is online, on forums, with the few friends I have, or occasionally with people from school or previous jobs that I am still in contact with. I occasionally do things with my friends, but not that often.

Drugs help with some things. Wellbutrin gives me a motivation and wakefulness and interest boost, some of the time, and Vyvanse often gives me focus. Both can make me social but only when it's something I really want to talk about. So it's no good if I want to make casual conversation, and not if I want to meet people, unless it's at a venue full of people with similar interests (like this forum). GHB/analogs as well as serotonin releasers like 6-APB can make me genuinely chatty and able to interact with random people much better, as well as deal with anhedonia and avolition, but they are too intoxicating and dangerous for anything other than recreational use IMO. I'm wondering if the right MAOI could provide the right mix between motivation, mood elevation, and enjoyment, possibly in synergy with other drugs.

Anhedonia is my baseline state when not on drugs - but it can be overcome with novelty. I can get excited for some video games or TV shows, but not many. Something really big can trigger hypomania, like moving to a new place that I'm feeling good about, or going on a vacation to some place and loving it. I don't really have strong enough interests to try many other new things. I could travel to a lot of interesting places I suppose, but there's not that many I'm willing to go to alone, and I don't have anyone to travel with. And when I do travel it's rare that I truly enjoy a place a lot.. partly because I don't have interest in trying cool activities, like scuba diving if I'm in Hawaii. A city like NYC is awesome if there are a lot of interesting events/shows going on at the time. I live around an area that has tons of cool things to do and I don't have the motivation or interest to do much of anything save for the occasional concert. Even buying a faster car (or renting one!) and driving around on scenic highways once a month would probably help.

I don't really like or dislike my personality so much - it's mainly the depression component of bipolar disorder that is the problem, and anhedonia fuels a lot of that. Although I'm not interested in establishing new relationships, I have some concerns about not having effective social support, and depending too much on the few close connections I have if/when I need them. I do see a lot of locked potential in myself, but focusing on how things COULD be is not productive without realistic proposals to actually do better.
 
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Well being schizoid means you lack the ability to have a connection or emotional connection but I to have had a emotional connection on MDMA but lets face it it was because I was high. MDMA cures that trait in a sense. It even helps schizophrenics have emotions. But in reality we are not capable of emotional connection on our own without drugs or medication.

And you can wish for relationships I fantasize about them all the time but in reality I rather be alone still have relationships with people but there not like they used to be.

I'm in the exact same position for a new job as well my job right now is so lenient and flexible but I need to get another job like a full time one and am afraid of how strict they will be. I don't think I'm ready for it yet.
 
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Schizoid Personality Disorder (DSM-IV-TR)
Meets 4 out of 7:
* Does not desire or enjoy close relationships
* Almost always choose solitary activities
* Little interest in sex with another person
* Find pleasure in few activities
* Lacks confidants other that first degree relatives
* Appears to be indifferent to praise or criticism of others.
* Shows emotional coldness, detachment, or flattened affect.
 
adream I found your post very interesting.

something I want to comment on firstly is I had a friend in high school who was a true narcissist, and let me tell you, we may appear similar at times but narcissists are just the most terrible, destructive people on earth. sorry, actually not sorry, to any narcissists who read that. I was truly abused by him in the most subtle ways and I look back with so much disdain. they are SO much more destructive and disruptive and abusive to others whereas we are not, and others with an open mind probably see past the self-centredness and realise we are more weirdos then true egomaniacs, as you said.

with that out the way, id like to say about medications; I have not been diagnosed with any PD or mood disorder; all though I have "qualified" at times for a diagnosis of GAD, SAD, and depression. diagnoses and medication however haven't been as important as introspection and therapy in helping me change and become a better person. i'm fortunate to be in therapy. for a time, St. Johns Wort helped with the dysthymia and my worst depressions have actually been caused by frequent MDMA use as well with concurrent circumstantial relational problems. (8ball I saw one of your posts about E/mdma and you probably have a lot to say about it.) anyway depression is truly horrible and i'm so sorry to all who suffer from it; I think it's probably the worst mental affliction one can have.

I self medicate. Codeine is my drug of choice. I've been cutting down to get my tolerance down. I really like codeine because it's still an opiate, but can be tapered down rather easily with minimal discomfort if done correctly. I quite like amphetamines for sociability and feeling comfortable in my own skin in social settings - however comedowns can be quite depressing and I appreciate my sleep so those are my main concerns.

You're lucky dream to have that job - I'm sure the hypomania helps a lot and is a welcome relief from depression and anehdonia, as well as aiding your work. I, as I said, do not have a mood disorder (diagnosed) and do not often suffer from "true" depression. There was a strange period where I couldn't go to university and instead walked every single day to the park near my house and just sat there for hours on end. I can't exactly remember what I thought about but I was so anhedonic, all I could do was walk and be alone in nature because I felt on the verge of ...I don't know, non-existence or something. It was so very strange. Codeine DEFINITELY takes away my anhedonia. Not so much avolition, because opiates make one apathetic, but I ENJOY things again. I like eating, watching movies, reading, playing video games, so much more when I'm high.

As I said I'm cutting down my use so I'm waiting to see if the anhedonia returns. I know I have to get out and do more exercise, that's for sure, it's just so important for mental health.
 
There was a strange period where I couldn't go to university and instead walked every single day to the park near my house and just sat there for hours on end. I can't exactly remember what I thought about but I was so anhedonic, all I could do was walk and be alone in nature because I felt on the verge of ...I don't know, non-existence or something. It was so very strange.
Some kind of dissociation maybe - like derealization or depersonalization?

I've felt both. Sometimes acute experiences on drugs where it's expected, other times not so much. (I'm ALWAYS under the influence of some drug, at the very least the antidepressants I'm on, so who knows.) I wonder if there is a correlation between SPD and DP/DR.

As I said I'm cutting down my use so I'm waiting to see if the anhedonia returns. I know I have to get out and do more exercise, that's for sure, it's just so important for mental health.
The only way I've been able to get myself to exercise is by biking from work. And that is really hard to do. The 6 mi ride itself is easy once I get out the door. It's tempting and faster to just drive, especially since I have access to the parking garage right under my building. Just one day of taking too long to get out of bed can fuck it all up, as I'll need to get to work quickly and decide to drive. I'm wondering if moving closer to work would be better; even though it would be a shorter bike ride, I'd have less of an excuse to not to ride my bike to work.
 
These are some thoughts I had which I scribbled down. Some of it may seem a little unclear and I'm sorry for that.

Variant definitions of “self” may complicate greatly the clarity of what I’m trying to describe. In this case I take the “self” or “true-self” to mean “the spontaneous and unabridged expression of mind body and spirit simultaneously manifesting in the present.”

Schizoid barrier construction is a defence mechanism created to protect the self from emotional interaction which the individual deems too intense to bear; so much so they are incapable of processing, handling, coping etc. with its intensity. The fear of being overloaded with such intensity causes an involuntary “walling-up, shutting-in” detachment. Detrimental consequences occur long after the specific instances or scenarios which caused the defence-mechanism to be employed.

The walls purpose is to protect the self’s sense of vulnerability; R.D Laing describes this vulnerability in “The Divided Self” as a sort of pure existential terror. Inadvertently, emotions are trapped within the fortress walls and as such do not find true expression. The terrifying intensity the individual was trying to avoid and fight is now frighteningly multiplied; intensity of emotion becomes so great the only way to cope is to increasingly detach, deny, and avoid the emotional experience; manifesting in a “lacking” external emotional display style. One may suffer a narcissistic or egoical injury; it’s quite fair to assume one could also suffer an existential or schizoid injury.

There are still strong emotions present in the schizoid; he is still a human being; emotions do not disappear. All focus is turned inward to the maelstrom emotions become without external expression. A subconscious dynamic develops whereby an increasingly vigilant and focused search for the centre of the storm where the true self lies becomes the modus operandi or goal of all functioning; the schizoid is afraid of disappearing and losing themselves completely. It is a self imposed prison, wherein an increasingly isolated and distanced view of the true-self develops. It is a cruel condition; the further one loses sight of themselves, the more disordered, disorganised, and possibly even psychotic (schizophrenic) they may become.

Alot of this is covered in "The Divided Self," written by R.D. Laing, in much more detail/clarity/focus. It's one of my favourite books of all time. If you're interested in the schizoid/schizophrenic dynamic from a non-biological / neuro-chemical perspective you can get it free online with a google search. I highly recommend it.
 
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