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Bluelighter
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I suffer from GAD and my doctor is currently prescribing me buspirone hcl, which after countless readings online and some experimentation, have found to have absolutely no recreational value at all. Not only that but it has little or no effect on my anxiety symptoms. This is the same doctor who prescribes me suboxone for opiate dependance though, so he is understandably hesitant to prescribe me any benzos. So, my question is, are there any anxiety meds that he would feel okay with prescribing me which does have some recreational value? Again, no benzos, because I doubt he would prescribe them to me. Or am I better off just finding a new doctor after i'm done with the suboxone treatment? I don't JUST want to get high, I also want to be rid of my god damn anxiety as well.
 
There aren't any anti-anxiety medications which are recreational besides benzodiazepines and barbiturates, you have a chance at the former but you will never get the latter. I wouldn't just give up if I were you. I'd be persistent about getting the benzos, but don't be overly pushy. First act stupid like you don't even know what benzodiazepines are. If he suggests an SSRI take it. Try it out for a month and go back and say it isn't working. He'll probably switch you to another SSRI and do the same with that. Tell him you have done some research and would like to try (benzo of choice) for my anxiety. Make sure it isn't an hypnotic like temazepam, triazolam, estazolam or flurazepam or something. I'd go with diazepam or clonazepam if you want something long-acting otherwise ask for lorazepam or alprazolam. There are other benzos that are often overlooked but work pretty decently for anxiety - clorazepate, oxazepam and prazepam. Oxazepam takes forever to kick in, but it is not too bad of an anxiolytic. Clorazepate is often considered very shitty, but it is does a good job for anxiety and prazepam is long-acting and it works very well for anxiety.

If you really have anxiety then you deserve to get real relief. My advice to you is to not get into using benzos recreationally because tolerance skyrockets real fast and you end up with a bunch of pills that don't do anything. Start low and don't get greedy.
 
You have two choices: one- tell your dr this med is just not working. Regardless of what else he suggests you try, don't argue. Try it, see if it helps. If it doesn't, tell him, and let him try you on something else. This is a lengthy and probably frustrating option, but eventually you'll either hit on something that works, or have to move to benzos by process of elimination. Option two: stay on with this doc for the subs, but tell him you feel like the anxiety is out of hand and you need to go to a psychiatrist. I'd be honest that you're doing this or you run the risk of him finding out and thus endangering your relationship with your sub provider. When you look for a psych, be sure to got one who specializes in anxiety and panic disorder, and go in there with the attitude that you are NOT depressed, have no interest in anti depressants, and cannot tolerate the side effects. Don't ever request a specific drug- that's a red flag or a dr.
 
You have two choices: one- tell your dr this med is just not working. Regardless of what else he suggests you try, don't argue. Try it, see if it helps. If it doesn't, tell him, and let him try you on something else. This is a lengthy and probably frustrating option, but eventually you'll either hit on something that works, or have to move to benzos by process of elimination. Option two: stay on with this doc for the subs, but tell him you feel like the anxiety is out of hand and you need to go to a psychiatrist. I'd be honest that you're doing this or you run the risk of him finding out and thus endangering your relationship with your sub provider. When you look for a psych, be sure to got one who specializes in anxiety and panic disorder, and go in there with the attitude that you are NOT depressed, have no interest in anti depressants, and cannot tolerate the side effects. Don't ever request a specific drug- that's a red flag or a dr.
yeah...and i really doubt a doctor would believe a former heroin user doesn't know what a benzo is.
 
Tricomb is right,

A benzo is nice for a panic attack and such, but you don't want to be dependent on them if you can avoid it. W/Ds from benzos are terrible and knowing what I do now I'd never take one for longer than 2 weeks.
 
Looking for a medication that you can use for treatment and abuse is a horrible idea. It will hardly be effective that way, and it may even make the problem worse. You don't want to be scripted benzos, trust me.
 
While I understand people saying things like, "trust me you don't want to get on benzos." Coming from someone that suffers from panic attacks and has prior diagnoses of GAD, trust ME, you DO want to get on them if you need them. Things like anti-depressants and long term anti-anxiety meds are no fun in the side effects department. Being a CPP dependent on pain meds myself, you need something like Klonopin or the like to bring you down from an attack or an overactive mind once in awhile. But you also need to control yourself just like with any other drug. If you have no control, and know that about yourself, don't accept large quantities of the benzos from your Dr. I understand in the interest of harm reduction, the concept of steering people away from addictive drugs. However it is much more harmful to suffer from panic attacks and dibilitating anxiety, for fear of possible dependency. Get the benzos. Get a low quantity to avoid dependence and overuse. Seek therapy and take tri's advice of exercise and good diet.
 
There is nothing wrong with being scripted benzodiazepines. Study after study have all come to the same conclusion: benzos are safe drugs that when taken as prescribed don't present a high risk of addiction. Only a very very small percentage of people who are prescribed benzos end up being hooked on them. Physical dependence is unavoidable, but that can be dealt with by tapering down slowly (when and if needed). The vast majority of chronic anxiety sufferers do not develop psychological dependence on their prescribed benzos. Numerous research papers have confirmed this to be true.
 
While I understand people saying things like, "trust me you don't want to get on benzos." Coming from someone that suffers from panic attacks and has prior diagnoses of GAD, trust ME, you DO want to get on them if you need them. Things like anti-depressants and long term anti-anxiety meds are no fun in the side effects department.

I think that benzos are better for more severe cases, which I don't think the OP falls into. I got on benzos after staying awake for days having panic attacks, not leaving my house, and reading through psychology books thinking that I had every mental illness in there. That was intense, and benzos were the only think that helped, but if someone is joking around about being scripted them on here then I doubt they need them. Recreational use was the last thing on my mind when I went to the psychiatrist.

There is nothing wrong with being scripted benzodiazepines. Study after study have all come to the same conclusion: benzos are safe drugs that when taken as prescribed don't present a high risk of addiction. Only a very very small percentage of people who are prescribed benzos end up being hooked on them. Physical dependence is unavoidable, but that can be dealt with by tapering down slowly (when and if needed). The vast majority of chronic anxiety sufferers do not develop psychological dependence on their prescribed benzos. Numerous research papers have confirmed this to be true.

Not being addicted doesn't do me any good when I can't get off of them due to physical dependence. That's with doing a proper taper as well, but once I get to day 3 or 4 I want to..... I'm not going to finish that sentence. I can take them forever, but that's not ideal with the state of healthcare in the US, and since I don't need them much anymore.

That's why I suggest people think long and hard before getting prescribed them. I enjoy opiate withdrawal compared to benzo withdrawal. And while I agree that they don't really have that high of a risk of addiction (I think that most people abusing benzos are just doing it until they find their real DOC) I can't take studies on the percentage of people addicted to a drug seriously. I can't see how they can get accurate data on that.
 
Looking for a medication that you can use for treatment and abuse is a horrible idea. It will hardly be effective that way, and it may even make the problem worse. You don't want to be scripted benzos, trust me.
I think that benzos are better for more severe cases, which I don't think the OP falls into. I got on benzos after staying awake for days having panic attacks, not leaving my house, and reading through psychology books thinking that I had every mental illness in there. That was intense, and benzos were the only think that helped, but if someone is joking around about being scripted them on here then I doubt they need them. Recreational use was the last thing on my mind when I went to the psychiatrist.



Not being addicted doesn't do me any good when I can't get off of them due to physical dependence. That's with doing a proper taper as well, but once I get to day 3 or 4 I want to..... I'm not going to finish that sentence. That's why I suggest people think long and hard before getting prescribed them. I enjoy opiate withdrawal compared to benzo withdrawal. And while I agree that they don't really have that high of a risk of addiction (I think that most people abusing benzos are just doing it until they find their real DOC) I can't take studies on the percentage of people addicted to a drug seriously. I can't see how they can get accurate data on that.


This. I can't tell you how much I agree with these statements.

Take it from someone who's spent half their life taking benzodiazepines (and yeah yeah kokaino I know you have to, this is my $0.02) They only make things worse in the long run. Being scripted benzodiazepines should be reserved for absolutely the most severe cases. I know lots of people who have been on benzodiazepines their entire lives, and are now in their fourties, fifties, sixties, even seventies. They are an absolute mess psychologically, and I'm not blaming benzodiazepines completely for this, but I am SURE it contributed, I've seen the difference when they were on and off, it's night and day.

I quit taking benzodiazepines as prescribed (I'm by every definition over prescribed, 12mg alprazolam w/ unlimited PRN) over a year ago and I've made more growth in this past year of barely taking it and in small amounts only, than I did in the entire decade+ of benzodiazepine therapy. I am the definition of someone with severe debilitation anxiety and other psych issues, as in without benzodiazepines I would be locked up in the ward. Even with my severe debilitating anxiety, I have managed to overcome so much WITHOUT relying on medication alone for treatment of anxiety. Diet and exercise really have done quite a bit for me as well, both physically and mentally.
 
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Chronic pain patients are put on far more addictive substances (opioids) for years on end, sometimes for life. Why can't chronic anxiety sufferers (GAD, PTSD, etc) get access to benzodiazepines in the same manner? I don't get the double standard here. Fact is that tolerance develops to the sedative and motor-impairment effects, but anti-anxiety effects are long-lasting. Benzo withdrawal doesn't have to be difficult. A taper works just fine and as long as the user uses the prescribed therapeutic dose then they really don't have much to be afraid of. I think benzos are safe and effective anxiolytics that should be prescribed in moderation to those that need them.

I have been on benzos for nearly 13 years (scripted and non scripted) and they are a godsend for anxiety, insomnia and panic attacks, among other things.
 
To the OP, what worries me most is the first point you bring up -- that you are getting no recreational value from medicine you've been rx'd for an anxiety disorder. As someone with bad anxiety the recreation of it is the very least of my concerns.

If you take this type of medicine chasing a high and with a secondary hope that it's going to make your anxiety vanish you are going to end up with neither of the desired effects before very long.

Try to get put on something that helps your anxiety best, and then take it at the lowest effective dose. If you have awful anxiety trust me when I say the relief is better and more lasting than any sort of recreational drug you are going to find.

Hope all works out well for you.
 
T benzodiazepines and barbiturates, benzodiazepines SSRI t temazepam, triazolam, estazolam or flurazepam diazepam or clonazepam i lorazepam or alprazolam. clorazepate, oxazepam and prazepam. Oxazepam anxiolytic. Clorazepate prazepam
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Hi Kokaino.
I'm Ugly. It is very nice to meet you.
Your knowledge is extensive and interesting.
Are you a pharmacist?
 
Hi Kokaino.
I'm Ugly. It is very nice to meet you.
Your knowledge is extensive and interesting.
Are you a pharmacist?

I'm not a pharmacist but I am a graduate of Medical Laboratory Science and I took quite a few pharmacology courses along the way. I am also an amateur toxicologist. I keep venomous snakes and I know quite a bit about toxicology. I've also experienced 19 different benzodiazepines.
 
I'm not a pharmacist but I am a graduate of Medical Laboratory Science and I took quite a few pharmacology courses along the way. I am also an amateur toxicologist. I keep venomous snakes and I know quite a bit about toxicology. I've also experienced 19 different benzodiazepines.

I am sorry I've been on BL missing out on your informative and direct posts. I'm going to have a little look-see at your previous post list. I need more. I'm in pharm tech training, changing careers totally because English teachers are a dime a dozen and exceedingly unemployed where I am.

I'm starting all over with this whole beginning and I think you might be someone that I'll be very happy to know.
 
Chronic pain patients are put on far more addictive substances (opioids) for years on end, sometimes for life. Why can't chronic anxiety sufferers (GAD, PTSD, etc) get access to benzodiazepines in the same manner? I don't get the double standard here. Fact is that tolerance develops to the sedative and motor-impairment effects, but anti-anxiety effects are long-lasting. Benzo withdrawal doesn't have to be difficult. A taper works just fine and as long as the user uses the prescribed therapeutic dose then they really don't have much to be afraid of. I think benzos are safe and effective anxiolytics that should be prescribed in moderation to those that need them.

I have been on benzos for nearly 13 years (scripted and non scripted) and they are a godsend for anxiety, insomnia and panic attacks, among other things.

The difference is that the amount of people prescribed benzodiazepines vs the amount of people prescribed pain killers is probably a substantial difference. Most chronic pain patients HAVE to take their opioids whether they like it or not if they want to live a functional lifestyle, they can't do things like diet and exercise always to the same extent as someone who is healthy but just has anxiety, panic, etc.

I know that benzodiazepines have therapeutic value, I take triazolam temazepam alprazolam and others as I see fit however the moderation I exercise with them is much greater than with my pain killers which I have to take pretty much every single day it's not a matter of choice like it is with benzodiazepines. I only dose benzos for SEVERE debilitating panic or insomnia and PTSD, but have been able to apply myself and achieve improvement with my psychiatric issues in ways I never made any progress with in terms of chronic pain even after dedicating myself to alternatives other than medication, I've tried plenty of dietary and physical exercise changes and a whole bunch of other alternative therapy not just limited to western medicine, but I still need the pain killers regardless of all of the other things I do to try and reduce my pain in more natural ways.

So if we must tl;dr this, Think about how easy it is to get prescribed any benzo, I could get literally any of them prescribed provided it was marketed in the USA. Think about pain medication, do you see how much shit I have to go through to still be underprescribed even with legitimate pain? It's completely backwards, benzodiazepines are handed out like candy even to those who really don't need them and would be better off with CBT and other options, but pain killers are withheld from those who need them constantly, it's literally an epidemic, on both sides, the flood of benzos available easily upon request, and the drought of pain killers to those who need them. Neither are great things to be taking in the long term.

Both have draw backs when abused, both have extreme therapeutic value taken as prescribed, however I just don't think that benzodiazepines should be used, let alone long term, for those who would benefit from non-medication options, when the chronic pain patient has less options, just if you ask me though. I have legitimate reasons to take both classes of medications so I'm going to be taking both of them long term likely, however I won't ever take anywhere near as high as my prescribed dose, nor will I take it anywhere near daily as directed.

$0.02
 
try to meditate on the anxiety to find the cause if you cannot find the cause ask help from a therapist if you still cannot find the cause than try benzos
 
maybe try pregabalin? some people find it more recreational than benzos, but i've been taking it for about two years and never experienced any of the problems (dose escalation, rebound effects) i experienced with benzos.
 
First act stupid like you don't even know what benzodiazepines are. If he suggests an SSRI take it. Try it out for a month and go back and say it isn't working. He'll probably switch you to another SSRI and do the same with that. Tell him you have done some research and would like to try (benzo of choice) for my anxiety.

This didn't work for me. He went from one SSRI to another SSRI, to some other form of anti-depressant (which I never even bothered trying) and when I told him "dude I'm not depressed I just have the anxiety issues. I've heard (whatever benzo I said) works well for this" and he said "well let's try something else before we go that route" and gave me some samples of fucking serequel (which I also did not take) and by the time he had scheduled me for a follow up appointment I had been laid off and lost my health insurance. I didn't even have any intention of abusing them either, I don't find benzos to be fun at all, they just really help as I have super fucking anxiety issues.
 
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