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ANTIFA attacks peaceful right wing protestors in Berkeley CA.

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Droppersneck said:
...next time one comes up I'll start a thread about normalizing pedophelia and link it.
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why wait until the next time one comes up? you said if you "follow buzzfeed-vice-motherjones" you guarantee we'll see "articles attempting to legitimize pedophelia". well, there must be plenty of material to get you started. why wait?

alasdair
 
alasdairm said:
because my feelings on violence extend beyond a single movement.

of course you can :)

i basically said exactly what droppers said and yet you can't accept it because of who i am and my views in the forum...

alasdair
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I'm wondering if we could go back and find if you were outraged or not by trumps first speech addressing the Charlottesville violence. In effect your stance here is defending him not addressing the kkk, neonazis, etc.
 
alasdairm said:
you seem to like the idea of jahseeus as an arbiter of right/wrong/whatever. so, jahseeus, can you help me understand the difference between these two:




am i copping out?

alasdair
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this made me chuckle

I'll give it a shot

Seems that you are genuine and I don't see it as a cop out.

I see he is taking issue with the problem some people had with how Trump handled the Charlottesville incident and not making a direct assessment against a particular group. If you were one of the people calling for Trump to specify which groups he had a problem with using violence then I can kind of see what he's getting at. But these are totally different situations (Trump addressing a particular incident that happened vs. You guys discussing violent groups in general) in my eyes so... I'll file it under right/wrong/whatever :)
 
Droppersneck said:
I'm wondering if we could go back and find if you were outraged or not by trumps first speech addressing the Charlottesville violence. In effect your stance here is defending him not addressing the kkk, neonazis, etc.
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What are you even asking?
If you want to "go back and find" some crap that was posted when you were banned, just do it.

You're expecting for someone to make your "point" for you?
 
spacejunk said:
If you want to "go back and find" some crap that was posted when you were banned, just do it.
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i've demonstrated a number of times that you casually make claims which you are generally unwilling or unable to back up.

if you feel you have a point to make about my views on a specific point then, by all means, go ahead and do it.

alasdair
 
You mean it wasn't the campus NAMBLA organization label?

Remember folks, all these memes and photoshops and fake social media accounts don't mean you should stop talking about Antifa methods!

One day one of those photos will be real, and then you can argue about how anti-free speech it is to hold up a sign!
 
spacejunk said:
What are you even asking?
If you want to "go back and find" some crap that was posted when you were banned, just do it.

You're expecting for someone to make your "point" for you?
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alasdairm said:
i read trump's statement on the events in charlottesville. it's hard for me to imagine (i know that's on me) a less impressive presidential statement on such events. he had a chance to lead - to stand up and make a statement unequivocally condemning bigotry, intolerance and hatred.

his supporters love him because he speaks so bluntly. there was no blunt truth here. just weak equivocation.

total cop out.

alasdair
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alasdairm said:
i see the white house is seeking to 'clarify' trump's vague statement.

alasdair
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alasdairm said:
yep - it's disappointing.

he ran, in part, on uniting the country. here is the lowest of low-hanging fruit when it comes to bipartisan issues - condemning white supremacists - and he couldn't even manage to do that :(

alasdair
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only because I was bored and curious.
 
Australian neo-nazi is currently standing trial for plotting to bomb leftists.

Probe into accused Vic terrorist’s mind
November 29, 2017

A far-right anti-Islam extremist accused of planning to bomb left-wing groups in Melbourne may not stand trial for terrorism offences if a second expert finds him mentally unfit.
Phillip Galea, 33, faced the Victorian Supreme Court on Wednesday via video link for a brief directions hearing about his case, which is still before a lower court.
Galea is charged with making preparations for terrorist attacks against properties occupied by Melbourne anarchist groups between November 2015 and August 2016.
The 33-year-old is also charged with collecting or making documents to prepare for terrorist acts between September 2015 and August 2016.
A pre-trial committal hearing in the Melbourne Magistrates Court has been delayed amid concerns about his mental state.
Prosecutors and defence lawyers on Wednesday said they are waiting for a report by a second mental health expert before deciding if Galea’s fitness to stand trial should be determined in the Supreme Court.
Galea is due to see a psychiatrist on December 13 for a second opinion.
His case will return to the Supreme Court on January 29 so counsel can decide the next step.
Galea has been in custody since he was arrested in August 2016.
Police have accused Galea of preparing to target various locations inhabited by the Melbourne Anarchist Club and Melbourne Resistance Centre.
The Braybrook resident allegedly told an associate he wanted to cause as much devastation to his targets as possible in a coordinated attack, according to a summary previously released by the Magistrates Court.
He allegedly ordered potassium nitrate for smoke bombs, aligned himself with right-wing groups True Blue Crew and Patriots Defence League Australia, and researched how to make improvised explosive devices.
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drug_mentor said:
I asked you to state what was wrong with my definition, you did not bother to do so. It is disingenuous to act as though I dogmatically presented a definition which I have suggested is not open to challenge.
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I actually addressed the problems with your definitions more than once, I just did it while oozing sarcasm.

I will take your failure to supply an alternative definition as a tacit admission that you can do no better than mine.
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Why would I define a thing I don't believe exists? I'm saying the group the alt-right media describes doesn't exist. I don't have my own definition, and don't care what yours is.

So, you are sticking to the absurd idea that I need to provide evidence of terrorist attacks in order to demonstrate that a non-terrorist organisation exists.
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You don't need to provide shit. I never asked you to provide anything. But don't you the vigilante thugs should have done some thuggery? Like, a lot, to be getting all this press? (I offer that rhetorically, as a way to say I don't think that would be absurd at all, that's not a request for anything.)

Yes, what a fool I am to believe mainstream media reports from no less than four different sources. The onus is on you to demonstrate why those sources are unreliable, something which you are yet to do. At this point it is beyond clear that you are more interested in cheap shots and than discussing the merits of your erroneous claim.
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You know, some animal welfare kids stole a baby cow the other day, and that made the evening news. Antifa hasn't done shit. Tell me, wise one, in what way can I better demonstrate the nothingness that is not happening? Please don't hurt my onus, I need it to meet your demands!



Yet again, you put words in my mouth. I said not all of them have a good grip on what fascism is, I acknowledged that others do. There is a huge difference between saying 'some members of Antifa don't know what fascism is' and 'All members of Antifa don't know what fascism is'. I expect you are well aware of this, and are intentionally twisting what I say in order to make it seem less plausible than it actually is. If your position was on as firm a logical footing as you would like to suggest then I suspect you would not have to misrepresent my claims in order to discredit them.
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I didn't know pointing out the problems with your definition, which you said I failed to do, counted as putting words in your mouth. I guess that's a convenient way to get around that.

Militant antifascism is a tactic, Antifa is a decentralised organisation which engages in this tactic. Yes, if a group of people self-identify as Antifa and engage in militant antifascism then my understanding is they more or less meet the definitionof Anitfa. I would appreciate if Spacejunk could clarify the matter for me, since I am sure he has a better grip on an appropriate definition than either of us do.
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Tactics. Well, don't tactics have outcomes? Where are the tactical successes or failures? How do you even know they DON"T pass out literature at these things?

I DEMAND AN ANWER

I don't believe anyone should be sucker punched, who is suggesting Nazi's ought to be a protected class? Once again, you are completely fabricating things.
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I wish I could fabricate little acrylic doo-dads like I've seen, when parts break. If you can't follow my logic, on how your definitions lead to Nazism as a protected class, then maybe you should reject or rethink this definition of yours. To repeat, it's not my definition. I didn't come up with that idiotic idea.
 
It's too much text for Mr. Neck to scroll through on his phone so he can see what alisdair said about his latest meme.

Troll's got a point.
 
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