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ANTIFA attacks peaceful right wing protestors in Berkeley CA.

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spacejunk said:
antifascism targets nazis. Nobody else.
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Bullsheeit!!! I don't know how you even believe what comes out of your own mouth.

spacejunk said:
When we're done fighting nazis we go back to the campaigns we've been distracted by when the nazis popped up - all the other campaigns we were fighting (various environmental and human rights concerns).
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Let me guess, human right's concerns like attacking people with a bike lock? lol
 
^ if you are going to say "i'm not going to post here any more", you should probably stick to it rather than returning over and over again to make juvenile insults.

nuttynutskin said:
Bullsheeit!!! I don't know how you even believe what comes out of your own mouth.
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Sorry; i misspoke.
We target fascists, not just nazis.
 
spacejunk said:
You're right jess - i don't give a shit about the rights of terrorists.
I'm kind of bored of people making academic arguments about things that are a genuine threat in the real world.

Silence you? Come on - now you're just being melodramatic.
Antifascism targets nazis. Nobody else.
If you're getting mistaken for a nazi, antifa are the least of your problems.



Ugh.
Antifascists do encourage people to stop being nazis.
And the whole fucking point is about compassion - compassion for people in the community who are targeted by fucking nazis. Whether they are muslim, black, gay, jewish, communists or anyone else nazis plot to murder.
I get the impression you have no intention of understanding why people stand up to nazis in the only way you can. You just want to make academic arguments.
If you took the threat of the extreme right seriously, you might be less defensive, but it's kind of tiresome having to answer to ridiculous claims about "who will they attack next?" It's a joke.

When we're done fighting nazis we go back to the campaigns we've been distracted by when the nazis popped up - all the other campaigns we were fighting (various environmental and human rights concerns).
There are no examples of antifa attacking "everyone they disagree with" because that's simply bullshit.
The slippery slope fallacy is especially ridiculous in this context.
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Stop using the term "Nazi" every time you post you prove you don't know what it means.

spacejunk said:
^ if you are going to say "i'm not going to post here any more", you should probably stick to it rather than returning over and over again to make juvenile insults.
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I lied.
 
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You target nazis, nobody else. And seems to me that a nazi is whomever you decide it to be. It's a bunch of crap.

If you have nothing to hide you have nothing to fear, if you don't want to be targeted don't be a nazi. It's bullshit.

You've said it yourself, you have no respect for the rights of whomever you deem to be terrorists and nazis.

People should be afraid of people like you. Dangerous extremists who make themselves the law.

Like any other extremist you are so far gone you're deluded. You ARE the terrorists, you ARE the nazis. You decide who can speak and who can't and what they can say. It's abhorrent. Fuck antifa. Before this thread I was more moderate, but the people who said it before were right, you are terrorists. At least before this thread I sort of imagined antifa as misguided but not as bad as the "fascists". But you've convinced me they are both just as bad as each other. And just as dangerous.

They are ticking time bombs. If they don't see how far they've fallen, it's only a matter of time till they blow up a building or gun someone down. You see it all the time. The beliefs change, everything else is always identical. They are always a persecuted minority fighting a more powerful threat, they always think the ends justify the means, they always see themselves as different to all the other groups just like them. Islamists, people like Timothy McVeigh, people who blow up abortion clinics. They are all like you, they all think exactly the same way. They have far more in common than they do differences.

Fuck em all. Violent crazies who pose a threat to society. It's not about protecting society or protecting people. It's about advancing your political interests, advancing YOUR society and YOUR people. And if they aren't with you, you're a danger to them. Cause to you there is no legitimate position but yours.

People can agree with you or they become the enemy and must be gotten rid of. If you don't like what they say they must be made to stop. Just like the nazis, the fascists. And the joke that is "antifa".

It's another political label devoid of meaning. Pro choice isn't about being pro choice it's about being in favor of abortion. Pro life isn't about being pro life it's about being against abortion, and anti fascism isn't about being anti fascist it's about being anti whatever you deem to be fascism. And since it's just a label it's not seen as at all contradictory to behave like fascists to fight fascists because the only fascists are whomever you apply the label too. It's meaningless.
 
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Morninggloryseed said:
Just because you don't like conservative politics does not make them nazis.
Antifa is not fighting nazis, that was the allies in Ww2.
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THIS 100%

I've already posted 2 videos of antifa violence, but I know he won't watch them.

Wow! Imagine my shock. A left leaning source, too.

Yes, antifa is the moral equivalent of neo-Nazis
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When those who describe themselves as anti-fascists (Antifa) adopt violence as a tactic, it becomes difficult to see how they are any better than those they label as fascists. I suppose the anti-fascists would claim that their violence is justified. They'd argue that it serves a greater good or that the ends justify the means. The thing is, those they consider fascists would almost certainly claim the same things.

Violence is not an acceptable way to bring about whatever social justice agenda one might have. It is not an acceptable way to oppose the expression of ideas one finds objectionable. It accomplishes little more than guaranteeing that more violence will follow, and it signals that one has surrendered whatever moral high ground one might have held.
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Like any other extremist you are so far gone you're deluded. You ARE the terrorists, you ARE the nazis. You decide who can speak and who can't and what they can say. It's abhorrent. Fuck antifa. Before this thread I was more moderate, but the people who said it before were right, you are terrorists. At least before this thread I sort of imagined antifa as misguided but not as bad as the "fascists". But you've convinced me they are both just as bad as each other. And just as dangerous.
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Coming from someone that has such extremist views herself, i'll take that with a grain of salt.

Let's see - you are
- pro-gun
- "pro-life"
- in favour of pre-emptive invasions of North Korea
- in favour of George Zimmerman killing an unarmed minor
- happy to talk about vigilante killings of people you consider a threat.

I'm basing this on your comments. If i'm a hypocrite and an extremist, so are you mate.
 
Wow, so instead of arguing the point you argue the person instead. And misrepresent me at that. Whatever you think I believe is irrelivent as far as the validity of YOUR opinion goes. You know that damn well. And the fact you even resorted to this tactic represents a new low as far as what I've seen from your posts.

You know, in the past its always irritated me when I've seen people take shit you've said out of context or oversimplified it or made it into a straw man argument... it won't anymore. And you have no right to say anything about it either cause that's exactly what you just did yourself.

Like I said, hypocrites.

I've said before where you've said I sounded like I'm pissed off with you and I've clarified that I'm not I'm disappointed. Just so we're clear, NOW I'm pissed off with you. The difference is when I cease to like or respect someone I stop caring and trying to argue with them. You can reply if you like or if you want to have the last word, but just so you know I won't be reading it.
 
JessFR said:
It's not about protecting society or protecting people. It's about advancing your political interests, advancing YOUR society and YOUR people. And if they aren't with you, you're a danger to them. Cause to you there is no legitimate position but yours.
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One of the best descriptions of antifa I've seen thus far.
 
Why are you so offended by anti-fascists?
Seriously - what difference does it make to you if a few nazis get in fights with leftists?
Do you get this upset when neo-nazis kill innocent people?

seems a bit out of proportion to me.
 
spacejunk said:
I'm tired of responding to the "free speech" angle, because it's totally irrelevant.

Free speech can be abused very easily. Once we get to the point of heavily armed nazi rallies descending upon towns and killing and bashing people who disagree with them, free speech has nothing to do with it. It's easy for armchair critics to talk about abstract concepts like free speech - but if you were a target of these people you might feel differently about it.
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JessFR said:
Exactly, you think it's irrelivent because you don't give a shit, you don't accept that I have a right to an opinion you deem off limits. So why would you think I'd feel any different about it? I'm just as much a target of YOU.

I don't agree with you, how long till I'm a nazi too if I'm not already, then you can come and use force to silence me? I mean I oppose you, which means by proxy I'm helping the nazis, which means I'm as good as a nazi, which means I'm the enemy right?

Should I be any less concerned about being a victim of violence from people like you as people like them?
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In the US when these Antifa folks are out LARPing typically anyone to the right of a full blown communist is considered a Nazi. If you go onto r/anarchism you will see many of these antifas detesting liberals. They don't come right out and call them Nazis, but you can tell white liberals are pretty close to being considered Nazis with the typical Antifa. Seriously check out that sub it's amazing, from anthropological stance.
Ps you still out in Germany? How have things been?
 
I love it... Now you're a conspiracy theorist if you disagree with antifa. lol If none of the things said against antifa in this thread are true it should be pretty easy to dispel I would think, but so far I haven't seen any evidence to convince me that antifa isn't a group of hypocritical violent thugs.
 
Hey nutty did you see Soros' tweet the other day getting butt hurt bc his groups are getting exposed and kicked from Hungary? He funds euro Antifa groups more than anything, and these countries have caught on and are taking action. Yeah I love how all of the major propoganda sites have been attacking Alex jones for his conspiracy theories, yet they push stuff like the Russia collision conspiracy theory 24/7. The hypocrisy is down right amazing lol
 
Droppersneck said:
Hey nutty did you see Soros' tweet the other day getting butt hurt bc his groups are getting exposed and kicked from Hungary? He funds euro Antifa groups more than anything, and these countries have caught on and are taking action. Yeah I love how all of the major propoganda sites have been attacking Alex jones for his conspiracy theories, yet they push stuff like the Russia collision conspiracy theory 24/7. The hypocrisy is down right amazing lol
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heh, don't even get me started on soros ;)

This thread is turning out to be pretty good haha.

spacejunk said:
We target fascists, not just nazis.
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So, what does that make you? Also, you said Nazism and Fascism are the same, but now they aren't? That doesn't make much sense.
And who is "we" ? your little alt-left guys who beat people simply for wearing a MAGA hat.

Ease off your "slick" talk and stop shilling.

Take a knee.



 
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Droppersneck said:
Hey nutty did you see Soros' tweet the other day getting butt hurt bc his groups are getting exposed and kicked from Hungary? He funds euro Antifa groups more than anything, and these countries have caught on and are taking action. Yeah I love how all of the major propoganda sites have been attacking Alex jones for his conspiracy theories, yet they push stuff like the Russia collision conspiracy theory 24/7. The hypocrisy is down right amazing lol
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Nope, didn't see that, but I would support any effort to stop these thugs from harassing and assaulting people that have the right to assemble. If antifa wants to counter-protest in a different area that's fine, but that's clearly not what they want.
 
There are slow-witted people in this forum. It is not their fault that they are, maybe it was the lead in their drinking water.

There are people posting deliberate horseshit, photoshopped images, misleadingly edited videos. They do it for "lulz".

The slow-witted people believe it.

The compassionate people try to gently explain how it's pure distilled horseshit.

They eventually lose their patience.

Slow-witted people say, "SEE LOL OMG YER JUST LIEK TERROR-KILLERS LOL you disagree with people so YOU ARE TEH SAME omg SAME AS DEMOCRATS ARE THE KKK LOL globla warming is SOCIALISM!! black people are inferior!!"

Compassionate people say, "fuck this forum".
 
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