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Yeah, i did.
Neil Erikson is a fucking dropkick - and a person with several convictions for racist intimidation.

So nice of pauline hanson to support them too. I think it is wrong to lump people like her in with nazis, but she proves again and again that they're allies. They support her and she supports them. It's disgusting, and they got a whole lot of free publicity for their nazi bonehead gang.

I thought the response of that labor MP from footscray was funny though - being taunted with "how am i racist? What race is islam?" - he looks into ths camera and says
"What race is dickhead?"

Fucking nazi scum.
 
I think that was deliberate.
Erikson posted a video online earlier in the year that Toll (the company who's shirt he was wearing) fired him for being a nazi.
So i think he wore his (former) work uniform on purpose.

The whole thing was a crass publicity stunt, and the trashy tabloid press took the bait.
As much as they say they're condemning them, they are still giving them free publicity. For the whole thing.
I doubt many people will watch that pathetic and cowardly video and want to join those bogan morons' group - but it's kinda the first i've heard of this "new" fascist group, and i keep a bit of an eye on all those malignant arseholes.

So, yeah - free advertising in prime time. Mission accomplished for those attention-seeking fools, in that sense.
 
Yeah, he did.
I assume he's used to getting hassled by bigots, because he managed to keep his cool.
 
This relates to the incident discussed above involving Australian Federal Labor Politician Sam Dastyari being harassed and racially abused by neo-nazis in a melbourne pub.
Article is from news website Crikey.

Would Sam Dastyari have been justified punching the racists who abused him?

A question that returns to us with dispiriting regularity flared up again over night, with Sam Dastyari's run-in with the far right -- when, if ever, is it OK to punch a Nazi?

The shaking mobile phone footage, posted to the Patriot Blue Facebook page, is shot by someone who clearly towers over their subject. Waiting at a bar in Melbourne, Senator Sam Dastyari is laughingly and pointedly asked by a group of men about his religious beliefs and the halal certification of the drinks he is ordering. He is called a terrorist and a monkey, told to return to Iran. The silence of the bar staff and most of Dastyari’s companions, as well as the angle of the footage, speaks to a lingering, unstated threat.

As it turns out, the situation remains contained. The only slam is a verbal one: Labor MP Tim Watts’ retort to the question “What race is Islam?” — “What race is dickhead?”
But what if it hadn’t? What if the situation had turned violent?
The question returns us to the punch that launched a thousand think pieces, interviews and panel discussions. As Donald Trump assumed the US presidency on January 20 this year, white supremacist figurehead Richard Spencer was being interviewed (by our very own ABC, as it happens) when a black-clad Antifa member screamed in from camera left (where else?) and planted a fist in Spencer’s face. It became rich fodder for lots of chin-stroking analysis, usually stemming from liberal discomfort about political violence across the media. It returns to our screens and pages with every flaring up of conflict between the hard right and their militant opponents.
The group who accosted Dastyari, Patriot Blue, have denied they are racists. That they are named after a neo-Nazi group in the film Romper Stomper tells its own story.
“Is it cool to punch Nazis?” is one of the questions leftist historian Mark Bray seeks to answer in his recent book Antifa: the anti-fascist handbook. The book is equal parts brisk, essay-style history of anti-fascist movements around the world, a how-to guide for aspiring activists, and an “unabashedly partisan call to arms” (the book is as much about equipping existing activists as it is convincing the sceptical).
Bray’s take on violence is that it is not as common a tactic as one one would believe — a “small but vital sliver”. However, the book opens with the Spanish anarchist Buenaventura Durruti (“Fascism is not to be debated, it is to be destroyed!”) and, as a quote from “Murray”, an activist in Baltimore, makes clear, there is nothing that isn’t ultimately justified in opposing Nazis:
“You fight them by writing letters and making phone calls so you don’t have to fight with fists. You fight them with fists so you don’t have to fight them with knives. You fight them with knives so you don’t have to fight them with guns. You fight them with guns so you don’t have to fight them with tanks.”
Later on, the book deals with interwoven issues of violent resistance and “No-platforming” — the two most controversial and illiberal tactics employed by anti-fascists — and divides arguments up by the answering the obvious oppositions:
Freedom of speech, the rule of law and the ‘marketplace of ideas’
“… antifascists make a historical argument based on the accurate observation that ‘rational debate’ and the institutions of government has failed to consistently halt the rise of facism. Given that fact, they argue that the only hope to prevent a sequel is to physically prevent any potential fascist advance …”
Aren’t you as bad as Nazis if you punch Nazis?
“… the first and most important point to make is that most anti-fascist organising is literal self-defense. What about when fascists do not pose an immediate physical threat? Is it better to ignore small ‘harmless’ fascist groups? By now it should be clear that small fascist groups do not always remain that way. In Greece, Golden Dawn burst out of nowhere to become a major force poised to lead a government before criminal charges decimated party leadership in 2013. And they may yet bounce back; we can never be sure.”
Don’t you just alienate possible allies and evoke sympathy for the Nazis?
“The spectacle of shutting down fascists may give them more attention in the short-term, but such actions deprives them of the ability to capitalise on that attention. Moreover, the spectacle of shutting them down, like all media spectacles, inevitably fades as it becomes more regular. The first time anti-fascists shut down Nazis it’s newsworthy, the fiftieth time not so much. Certainly, fascists always play the victim when they are shutdown. Yet, they also play the victim when they are not. Fascism was built on fear — fear of Jews, communists, immigrants, Freemasons, homosexuals, ‘national decadence,’ aesthetic modernism, ‘white genocide,’ and so on. No matter how the Left treats fascists, they will always present themselves as aggrieved victims.”
Sam Dastyari might never read Antifa’s advice on this matter, but as long as the threat of moments like this remain a low-level hum in public life, it’s a question we must confront.
 
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Is that the sort of shit on "fuhrerious88 blog dot wordpress"? Is that something you visit regularly?

I can only imagine what Mr. X would say about voting Republican.
 
No , Malcolm X did not associate with neither Republican, nor Democrat.

They were flip sides of the same coin in his view.
 
Yes, I know. But at the time, and still, the Black vote--those that bothered--would've been a straight D ticket. Malcolm was pointing out that the Democrats still didn't have Black folks' best interests in mind.

Voting Republican was just unthinkable.
 
Of course, yeah. The "party of Lincoln" has been the party of segregationists for a long time (and still is, apparently)
 
Thanks for deleting my post and censoring my opinion. And you call me a "Nazi" All I did was post a 30 second YouTube clip of a man minding his own business holding a Nordiska Motståndsrörelsen flag. Then Antifa spits on the guy and out of nowhere the antifa spitter is slammed to the floor.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
 
Thanks for deleting my post and censoring my opinion. And you call me a "Nazi" All I did was post a 30 second YouTube clip of a man minding his own business holding a Nordiska Motståndsrörelsen flag. Then Antifa spits on the guy and out of nowhere the antifa spitter is slammed to the floor.

Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

I've asked you not to keep posting this sort of stuff and you ignored me so I have no choice but to "censor" you. Read the rules, they can be found in my signature.
 
POLITICS
11/07/2017 03:23 pm ET
Updated
By Dana Liebelson and Paul Blumenthal

The Texas Shooter Was Called A Liberal, Antifa Communist Working With ISIS — Before Anyone Knew Anything
Welcome to the world of right-wing propaganda.


WASHINGTON
Authorities are still trying to figure out why a man shot at least 26 people to death in a Texas church on Sunday. But the lack of a specific motive has not stopped right-wing conspiracy theorists from blaming their opponents — including Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.), atheists, social justice warriors, communists, the Islamic State, liberals and anti-fascist protesters — for the slaughter.

The speed at which these theories spread shows how propagandists take advantage of the information vacuum after a shooting to serve their own ends.

The shooting was not racially motivated or caused by religious beliefs, authorities said Monday, though they noted there was a “domestic situation.” (The suspect, Devin Patrick Kelley, was previously convicted for domestic assault.) But in the hours after the shooting, the public didn’t know that. Instead, conspiracy theorists took what shreds of information were available to peddle plausible-sounding theories — or simply make up lies. Here’s how it unfolded:

Sunday, 12:30 p.m. ET

Around this time, the shooting took place.

1:24 p.m. ET

A reporter for KSAT-TV in San Antonio, Texas, tweeted: “#BREAKING confirmed shooting at First Baptist Church of Sutherland Springs, police say multiple victims.” As news continued to break, most reporters were careful not to draw attention to unverified information.

1:58 p.m. ET

Mike Cernovich, a right-wing media personality, had been retweeting some of the few details provided by reporters at outlets like KSAT. But at this time, Cernovich ? who portrays himself as a legitimate journalist ? sent his own tweet, where he noted that the church had a “largely white denomination” and speculated, without presenting evidence, “Antifa terrorist attack?”

Antifa is shorthand for anti-fascist and refers to a loose network of activists, some of whom aim to physically confront white supremacists. The group has served as a convenient boogeyman for conservatives, including President Donald Trump. The day before the shooting, far-right media had warned of an “antifa apocalypse,” with activists waging violent civil war. In reality, an anti-Trump group, Refuse Fascism, had called for peaceful political protests around the country, and a few occurred, without incident. The threatened antifa uprising had failed to materialize.

At this point, there were still no publicly confirmed details about the shooter.

3 p.m. ET

A screenshot of an alleged message by a guy named Dave Pollack was making the Twitter rounds. “Go after the heart of the far-right: conservative churches,” he allegedly wrote.

This screenshot had previously been shared by Jack Posobiec, a pro-Trump figure, prior to the shooting, on Nov. 3, according to the Twitter time stamp.

“Dave” will become important.

3:41 p.m. ET

A Twitter user named “Mustachio” shared what he claimed was a video manifesto of the shooter ? whom he called a “Muslim convert, Samir al-Hajeed” ? along with fake photos. He was trolling. (Spreading the name “Samir al-Hajeed” after a shooting is a long-standing hoax.) As Snopes reported, Mustachio was cited by a couple of websites, including right-wing site Freedom Daily, which did not respond to a HuffPost request for comment.

5:37 p.m. ET

Around this time, the suspect was publicly identified as Devin Patrick Kelley, and a Daily Beast editor tweeted a story that included pictures from a Facebook page allegedly belonging to the shooter. (HuffPost was not able to independently corroborate this page belonged to Kelley.)

People immediately delved into the shooter’s Facebook “likes,” which are, in general, a crappy journalistic tool. The suspect allegedly liked atheist pages, CNN and something called Together We Rise, according to Heavy. Conspiracy theorists pointed to the latter as evidence that the shooter supported Bernie Sanders. Some liberal groups with names similar to Together We Rise exist on Facebook, but the only Together We Rise page we could find that users can like on Facebook is a nonprofit that advocates on behalf of foster youth.

The shooter also allegedly had a LinkedIn account where he listed causes he supported, including “Animal Welfare,” “Children,” “Civil Rights and Social Action,” “Environment” and “Human Rights.” To propagandists, this seemed to prove the shooter was some kind of liberal social justice warrior.

In response to a question about whether LinkedIn users simply choose pre-selected causes from a drop-down menu, LinkedIn spokesperson Tatiana De Almeida said, “That is correct ? there is a dropdown menu of options such as Economic Empowerment, Education and more that the member can select from.”

People used this information as proof of a motive, anyway.

6 p.m. ET

The website YourNewsWire tweeted out an article making wild claims about the shooter’s connections to antifa. The story cobbled together photos from the Facebook page allegedly belonging to the shooter with a photograph of a different person holding an anti-fascist flag.

The article claimed that the shooter “vowed to start a civil war by ‘targeting white conservative churches’ and causing anarchy in the United States.” The story also included screenshots from a new guy: “Brian (cousin).” This person, Brian, supposedly “talked to some people who were inside.” That’s how Brian learned that two shooters entered the church, threw an antifa flag over the pulpit and then killed people who failed to properly recite verses from Karl Marx’s three-volume foundational critique of capitalism, Das Kapital.

There is zero evidence any of this happened. The byline on the story was “Baxter Dmitry.” No one in U.S. public records has that name.

The story appeared to be shared more than 264,000 times on Facebook, making it a blockbuster.

“Dmitry” and YourNewsWire did not respond to a request for comment about Brian.

6:14 p.m. ET

Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones joined the fray. Jones — a prominent promoter of the false theory that antifa was going to violently overthrow the Trump administration on Nov. 4 — wondered whether the shooter was part “of the Antifa revolution against Christians and conservatives” or “a Isis op?”

Authorities have provided no evidence the shooting was connected to the Islamic State militant group also known as ISIS, and again, said it was not religiously or politically motivated.

6:42 p.m. ET

Cernovich doubled down. He tweeted that “Photos of Texas shooter is consistent with profile of Antifa member. This is looking more and more like Antifa terror.” (Authorities have provided no evidence to date of the shooter being tied to antifa.)

In response to questions from HuffPost about the legitimacy of his reporting and how he can identify antifa members based on photographs, he asked: “Do you disavow this HuffPo column claiming “a violent response to Trump is as logical as any”? Do you disavow this HuffPo column calling for a “white wounding”? Do you disavow poltical [sic] violence by antifa? Or do you see yourself as a PR agent for antifa?” (The referenced columns appeared on HuffPost’s contributor platform and were written by a person who is not a HuffPost employee.)

Sunday Afternoon: Remember Dave?

Sometime on Sunday, a YouTube user published a video linking the shooter to antifa. It claimed to show the same screenshots of the alleged message posted by “Dave Pollack” revealing secret antifa plans: “Go after the heart of the far-right: conservative churches.” Dave’s message was allegedly made on a Facebook page for It’s Going Down, a digital community center for anarchists and other activists. Conspiracy theorists pointed to this message, without evidence, as proof that Dave inspired the shooter.

We did not have enough information to find Dave. A spokesperson for It’s Going Down told HuffPost in an email that they couldn’t find Dave, either. “If the screenshots are not fake, we would highly suspect they were posted there by online trolls in the lead up to November 4th, to be used by conspiracy theorists to claim that antifascists wanted to engage in violence against everyday Americans.”

The group also denied that the shooter is involved with anti-fascist organizing. “As the far-Right did after the Las Vegas shooting, they have tried to draw a connection between the two as a means of influencing public debate and also keeping their own conspiracy theory based internet companies and careers afloat,” the spokesperson said.

That same YouTube video claimed the shooter’s most recent voter registration showed he listed his political party affiliation as “UAF,” which the presenter claimed stands for “United Against Fascism Party,” a British anti-fascist group. The alleged voter registration showed Kelley registered at a former address in Colorado. The “United Against Fascism Party” is not an active political party in Colorado or Texas.

The shooter’s actual Colorado voter registration states that his party affiliation is “UAF.”

In Colorado, as in many other states, UAF stands for unaffiliated. Kelley’s Texas voter registration states that he did not register with a political party.

The shooter was not registered with any political party, according to public records.

Monday Evening

By late Monday night, hundreds of thousands of users across multiple platforms had shared fake news about the shooter.

As these theories swirled around the internet, Google was criticized for helping spread their rise. Justin Hendrix, executive director of the NYC Media Lab, tweeted screenshots showing that the search engine was listing conspiratorial tweets about the shooter as “Popular on Twitter.” (HuffPost did not independently verify Hendrix’s screenshots.)

On Monday, the search engine also auto-completed the shooter’s name, Devin Patrick Kelley, with antifa, according to The Daily Beast.

“The search results appearing from Twitter, which surfaced based on our ranking algorithms, are changing second by second,” a Google spokesperson told HuffPost in an email. “For the queries in question, they are not the first results we show on the page. Instead, they appear after news sources, including our Top Stories carousel which we have been constantly updating.”

“Autocomplete predictions are algorithmically generated,” a Google spokesperson also noted.

“Because of this, terms that appear in Autocomplete may be unexpected or unpleasant,” the spokesperson added. “In this case, there is great interest in the topic.”

On Monday, radio host Rush Limbaugh suggested that the Texas shooting, along with an alleged assault on Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) by his neighbor, the New York truck attack and threats against the Environmental Protection Agency together served as evidence of his larger point: “Terrorists come straight from the Democrat party.”

The article has a lot of links providing more content. Fake news indeed.
 
Indeed.
These fucking people are so irresponsible, yet they just keep escalating their insane political war (against democracy, freedom of the press, against basic human rights etc etc)

The fury at which these people push their truly vile politics is so aggressive - i see it in this part of BL all the time, and it's always the same rhetoric. Almost as if they've been trained to say divisive shit by russian bots or something...

Anyway, it's nice to read a calm, measured and above all else accurate description of antifa for once:

Antifa is shorthand for anti-fascist and refers to a loose network of activists, some of whom aim to physically confront white supremacists. The group has served as a convenient boogeyman for conservatives, including President Donald Trump.

Like that insane "pizzagate" nonsense this manipulation and disinformation is going to get someone killed.
Er, more people killed :(
 
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Indeed.
These fucking people are so irresponsible, yet they just keep escalating their insane political war (against democracy, freedom of the press, against basic human rights etc etc)

The fury at which these people push their truly vile politics is so aggressive - i see it in this part of BL all the time, and it's always the same rhetoric. Almost as if they've been trained to say divisive shit by russian bots or something...

Anyway, it's nice to read a calm, measured and above all else accurate description of antifa for once:



Like that insane "pizzagate nonsense" this manipulation and disinformation is going to get someone killed.
Er, more people killed :(

You can say all of that about ANTIFA and other terrorist/racist hate groups like Black Lives Matter as well. Contrary to what they claim these extreme leftist groups have a lot in common with fascism, are against democracy, freedom of speech, basic human rights, and anyone that does not share their opinion or viewpoint completely 1,000% and who do not support either neo-nazis or far left racist/hate groups like ANTIFA and BLM.
 
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