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ANTIFA attacks peaceful right wing protestors in Berkeley CA.

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Well I dunno about terrorist group. But seems like I can describe both as extremists who believe the use of force against other people is an acceptable response to the extreme circumstances they find themselves in. Neither seem to think the law should apply to them in face of what they're up against.

Sure seems like two sides of the same coin to me. Regardless of if you label it terrorist or not.

I would say they're a gang, and they are indeed the other side of the coin. Antifa is almost worse though due to some of their tactics and such but that of course is debatable. For the most part I just wish everyone would just kill each other off already and the world would be at peace.

The Neonazis, Ku Klux Klan, and anyone who 'happens' to have a tiki torch and a Confederate flag and a swastika tattoo that demonstrates with them have no moral high ground based on attempted affiliation alone.
They deserve a good punch.

I got a Confederate flag hanging on my wall and am armed, you wanna come punch me?

Btw I'm not racist.

Neonazis have an ideology that actively promotes violence or force against its targeted opponents

So does antifa.
 
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Jesse, i a gree, I just personally don't think they are a terrorist group. That's the sort of misuse of language that the right often accuse the left of perpetrating.

If you were to plot groups on some kind of chart measuring extremity, neonazis would be a lot higher than antifascist groups. Neonazis have an ideology that actively promotes violence or force against its targeted opponents based on arbitrary ethnic properties and is effectively 'antisocial', antifascist groups oppose this ideology due to its historical roots in violence and social deconstruction. Antifa are, however, overzealous in their actions and end up alienating possible supporters.

Cduggles, imo, the world could do with less people thinking punching each is other is morally acceptable. In the real world, the intentions behind ones actions are less important than the outcomes in most instances.

I understand where you are coming from completely. It's just my personal belief that Nazis, Neonazis, Klan members and their groupies are over a line where a good punch is okay.

nuttynutskin do you have anything with a swastika on it? Do you carry a tiki torch? What do you call black people?

I grew up in the Bible Belt, so no I don't want to punch anyone based solely on owning a Confederate flag. I do have an opinion about people who do, and I view it like an "I'm with Stupid" t-shirt that lets you know where someone is coming from in life.

It's nice you don't think of yourself as racist.

Edit: nutty: Also, I would love to see who between us is a better shot. I've been at the range a lot and I'm thinking it's me.

I have a Colt DA revolver, a Sig Sauer.38H pistol and a P38 9mm Luger. You?
 
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I was just replying to malevolent's post about "armed angry ideologues". I don't even know of antifa ever even attacking such a group but if they did they would regret it. That's my only point. The only groups of armed protesters that I'm aware of here in the states recently has been people protesting for the second amendment.

That's great--so the alt-right makes up these black-clad antifa terrorists out to destroy free speech, and when asked why there haven't been any attacks, it's because the true patriots have guns that would mow down the traitors. The antifa pussies would run away because even though they're terrorists, they're afraid of guns, you know, cause they're libtards.

Are we supposed to fear them or laugh at them? What weapons do they use to sow their terror? Harsh language?
 
Edit: nutty: Also, I would love to see who between us is a better shot. I've been at the range a lot and I'm thinking it's me.

I have a Colt DA revolver, a Sig Sauer.38H pistol and a P38 9mm Luger. You?

Dick sizing on the internet is retarded.
 
So is boasting about the flag you hide indoors and the gun you await "terrorists" with.

I'll let cdugg have the punchline.
 
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That's great--so the alt-right makes up these black-clad antifa terrorists out to destroy free speech, and when asked why there haven't been any attacks, it's because the true patriots have guns that would mow down the traitors. The antifa pussies would run away because even though they're terrorists, they're afraid of guns, you know, cause they're libtards.

Are we supposed to fear them or laugh at them? What weapons do they use to sow their terror? Harsh language?

I'm not sure what you're going on about as usual, but I never said atifa were terrorists unlike the left claiming that right wing or racial groups are, even if they're not committing violence. As far as weapons, from what I know they mostly use things like sticks, rocks, tear gas and maybe some sort of homemade incendiary devices like molotov cocktails. I don't think any at least in the states have ever used firearms because most of them are just disillusioned college students who sympathize with socialism.

So is boasting about the flag you hide indoors and the gun you await "terrorists" with.

I'll let cdugg have the punchline.

Where exactly did I say I was awaiting terrorists? You really are a moron. I own a gun for self protection and target shooting. As for my rebel or confederate flag I'm not hiding it from anyone. I'd just rather have it indoors where I can see it and it doesn't get damaged by the elements since it rains here about 7 months out of the year.
 
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I'm not gonna take the time on this kindle thing to copypasta your posts back to you.

Maybe you remember who it was you were waiting for, armed? I guess it's libtard college kids with sticks.

And incendiaries, cause guns are bad, but arson is ok. (I think that's on my diploma)
 
I'm not gonna take the time on this kindle thing to copypasta your posts back to you.

Maybe you remember who it was you were waiting for, armed? I guess it's libtard college kids with sticks.

And incendiaries, cause guns are bad, but arson is ok. (I think that's on my diploma)

Wow that makes total sense.
 
I got a Confederate flag hanging on my wall and am armed, you wanna come punch me?

Btw I'm not racist.

Here's your quote. It's only a few posts up. I admit I forgot it's meant specifically for Ms. Duggles. Can't speak for her, but I'd be more cautious with your invites--you'd need more than a flag and a gun.
 
There's only one dick here, literally and figuratively. And I'm not impressed.

If you really had a gun, you would just post what you shoot like everyone else does -- I didn't comment on accuracy, okay Johnny?

For you and all that you believe.
Best, CD

I don't normally go around advertising the fact that I own a firearm, I was just trying to make a point when it was my impression you would punch anyone with a confederate flag along with the other things you mentioned. Some of the people you go around punching may have more than their firsts is all. Either way good luck with your punching anyone you deem a nazi and senior citizens. This thread has gotten too stupid for me.
 
What makes antifa a "terrorist group"? Its a protest movement.

You really need to ask? Didn't you see what happened at Berkeley where Antifa protestors attacked people who they did not personally agree with or like? The far right protesters who are violent are no better, and both groups have a lot in common with each other.

I would not be surprised if you use the strawman argument of "They're not a terrorist group, they're a political/protest movement" with the Weather underground, the black panthers/new black panthers, Black lives matter, and other terrorist/hate groups.
 
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Antifa have been killed by nazis.
Antifa aren't in the business of killing nazis.

Nazis are terrorists, we resist them. It's really quite simple.

How sick it is to see people on this forum supporting nazis right to harass and murder people.
Black lives matter, and other terrorist/hate groups.

That's just ridiculous man. Ludicrous.
 
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3 nazis were arrested for a shooting at a richard spencer "speech" last week.
Again, link?

Easy.

Link.

And article:

Three men charged after protesters shot at following Richard Spencer speech

After an incident that occurred less than two hours after the white nationalist Richard Spencer finished speaking at the University of Florida on Thursday, three white men were arrested and charged with attempted homicide.

According to the Gainesville police, the men chanted “Hail Hitler!”, gave Nazi salutes and fired a gun at a group of protesters about a mile south of Spencer’s venue.
The three men were photographed and seen in media interviews outside the venue, police spokesman Ben Tobias said, and at least two were known to have links to extremist groups.

Tyler Tenbrink, 28, of Richmond, Texas, fired the gun, according to the police. The Gainesville Sun reported that Tenbrink was interviewed by one of its reporters hours earlier, and said he had driven from Houston to see Spencer speak.

“This is a mess,” Tenbrink reportedly told the Sun about the protests. “I’m disappointed in the course of things. It appears that the only answer left is violence, and nobody wants that.”

According to a researcher at the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), Tenbrink has attended at least seven white supremacist events. He is also a convicted felon, according to the police.

Brothers William Fears, 30 and Colton Fears, 28 of Pasadena, Texas, “encouraged [Tenbrink] to shoot at the victims”, police said. William Fears has been affiliated with Vanguard America and the Patriot Movement, according to Carla Hill, a researcher with the ADL Center for Extremism. He was seen jabbing a flag at counterprotesters in Charlottesville, Virginia, in August, she said, “and screaming the whole time”.

All three men were present at the Charlottesville Unite the Right rally, Hill said. That weekend, a car attack after clashes in the streets left at least 19 counterprotesters injured and killed a 32-year-old woman, Heather Heyer. James Alex Fields, 20, who was photographed with Vanguard America at the rally, was charged with second-degree murder.

Spencer has repeatedly said that he and his supporters are not violent and those who protest against him are the real threat. At his speech to hundreds of people at the University of Florida’s Phillips Center on Thursday afternoon, he rejected accusations from the audience that he was responsible for violence carried out by followers of the “alt-right” movement.

The majority of the audience stood, chanted, booed and raised their fists throughout his hour-long speech. When he mentioned Heyer, the crowd chanted: “It’s your fault! It’s your fault!”

Asked how it felt to have a roomful of people accusing him of being responsible for a young woman’s death, Spencer said: “I just don’t take those people seriously. It’s a joke to say something like that, so it doesn’t touch me.” He did not respond to a request for comment on the charges following his Gainesville event.

The Florida incident could have broad repercussions for Spencer’s campaign to use public universities across the country as a venue for his white nationalist ideas and as a recruiting platform.

Ohio State University announced on Friday night that, despite the threat of a lawsuit from Spencer’s supporters, the school was denying a request to have him speak on campus. In a statement, the university said it was issuing the denial “due to substantial risk to public safety, as well as material and substantial disruption to the work and discipline of the university”.
Michael Carpenter, a lawyer representing Ohio State, wrote Friday that “the university values freedom of speech” but that it had denied the request to have Spencer speak after reviewing “the information currently available” including “yesterday’s events at the University of Florida”.

At 5.30pm on Thursday, about an hour and a half after Spencer left the stage, three men in a silver Jeep pulled up to a bus stop and yelled “Hail Hitler” and other chants at protesters, according to the police report.

An argument ensued and a protester used a baton to hit the rear window of the vehicle. The car pulled forward, then stopped. Tenbrink emerged and pulled out a handgun. According to the report, the Fears brothers were yelling “Kill them!” and “Shoot them!” Tenbrink fired a single shot, which hit a building. Then the men drove away.

They were stopped and arrested about 20 miles north of Gainesville. Tenbrink admitted to being the shooter, according to the police report. All three men are being held in the Alachua County jail.

Gainesville police recovered a gun in the vehicle. Tobias, the police spokesman, said the victims were in their early to mid-20s and were carrying signs. Following department policy, he said, the victims were not identified to protect their safety.

“I am amazed that immediately after being shot at, a victim had the forethought to get the vehicle’s license number,” Tobias said. “That key piece of information allowed officials from every level of multiple agencies to quickly identify and arrest these persons.”

In September, the Dallas Morning News quoted 30-year-old William Fears as denying belonged to any white supremacist group but saying: “Nazi is like the N-word for white people,” he said. “And I just embrace it.” He was identified by the paper as having protested against the removal of a statue of Confederate general Robert E Lee from a park in the city.

The Gainesville Sun quoted William Fears on Thursday as saying: “We’re starting to push back, we’re starting to want to intimidate back. We want to show our teeth a little bit because, you know, we’re not to be taken lightly. We don’t want violence; we don’t want harm.

“But at the end of the day, we’re not opposed to defending ourselves.”


Defending nazis is like defending ISIS; intelligent people have no business doing either.
 
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I'm not defending nazis but I defend their right to free speech as abhorrent as I may find their views. Attacking right wing or racial protests is just giving them more attention. A lot of people antifa attack aren't even nazis anyways but I don't know why I'm even bothering.
 
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Right-wing extremists (can I call them terrorists?) murder people with their car, fire shots into crowds, beat a random black man, and that's just the bits on tape, at a single event; meanwhile someone shoved an old man in Berkeley.

But when news isn't your goal, some media can really spin a story.
 
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