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Antacids with percocet

Phat Gatmasta

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I was wondering if someone could elaborate why antacids potentiate percocets? What is happening
To your body when you take them and why it affects opiates in general.
I have read other sources and don't get me wrong, there are answers all over
The internet but the majority of them are different answers so I wanted to ask
On here for this site is more knowledgeable.
Please and thank you. =]
 
The reason they make them 'stronger' is because you absorb a higher percentage of your dose, faster. Antacids make your stomach less acidic and thus more basic. The closer a 'match' between stomach pH and blood ph (7.2 I believe but don't quote me) the higher the bioavailabilty of drugs. Bioavailability is the percentage of drugs absorbed into your bloodstream. From what I've always read, the lower the pH the better of your stomach.

Hope this helps,
Johnsonville
 
It helps alot actually, thank you very much. So if the antacid makes them stronger and makes the substance absorb faster, will the duration
Be a shorter amount of time or the same?
 
^I don't know if everything in that thread is actually true. For example, the statement:

AlphaOdure said:
Since Cimetidine is eliminated and metabolized by the same enzyme that metabolizes opioids, i usually wait for the methadone to realize its effect first; then take the booster to hinder my body in metabolizing it quickly.

Cimetidine does occupy the CYD enzymes that metabolize opioids (and other drugs)

I don't think that is correct. I don't think antacids potentiate by keeping the enzymes busy metabolizing the antacid. And the enzymes that activate a particular drug are not the same ones that deactivate it, so it is not necessary to wait until the effects of the opioid are already at their peak before taking the enzyme inhibitor. In addition, that poster was talking about methadone, and with methadone the methadone itself is responsible for most of its effects, only with "pro-drugs" does the drug need to be metabolized into an active metabolite (and even in those cases, as I said, the enzymes are different). With oxycodone, like methadone, the oxycodone itself is responsible for most of its effects. A potentiator is just going to decrease the drug being deactivated by being metabolized to inactive metabolites. What antacids do is inhibit the enzyme that deactivates certain drugs, so that there is less of that enzyme in your liver and therefore not as much of the drug gets removed from your system as quickly.

The poster also meant to say CYP enzymes, not CYD. Cimetidine is a known inhibitor of many enzymes of the cytochrome CYP (also known as P450) enzyme system, (specifically CYP1A2, CYP2C9, CYP2C19, CYP2D6, CYP2E1, and CYP3A4). This inhibition forms the basis of the numerous drug interactions that occur between cimetidine and other drugs. Cimetidine is known to potentiate the effects of several opioids which are metabolized by CYP, which can lead to heightened plasma levels of these drugs.

So the above is how antacids can affect the drugs after they have been absorbed from the digestive tract. But in addition, like Johnsonville alluded to, antacids can also affect the absorption of certain drugs. They do this by changing the acidity of the stomach. Depending on the drug, this can either increase or decrease the rate of absorption. For example, absorption of NSAIDs is increased. I'll see if I can find any info on how it affects the absorption of oxycodone and other opioids - my assumption (and subjective experience) would be that making the stomach less acidic speeds up the absorption.
 
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The reason they make them 'stronger' is because you absorb a higher percentage of your dose, faster. Antacids make your stomach less acidic and thus more basic. The closer a 'match' between stomach pH and blood ph (7.2 I believe but don't quote me) the higher the bioavailabilty of drugs. Bioavailability is the percentage of drugs absorbed into your bloodstream. From what I've always read, the lower the pH the better of your stomach.

Hope this helps,
Johnsonville
I think you meant the higher the pH of your stomach the better absorption? Lower pH = more acidic, higher pH = more basic.

How stomach acidity effects absorption really depends on the drug. It has to do with ionization. My understanding is that many drugs are absorbed faster when the stomach's pH is increased, however, with other drugs a higher pH slows their absorption.

Related reading:
pH of the stomach
Drug absorption - Wikipedia
How antacids affect Rx drugs

Also as I said above, speeding absorption is not the only way antacids affect certain opioids.

Phat Gatmasta said:
will the duration Be a shorter amount of time or the same?
I believe it should make the oxy take effect faster, have a stronger effect, and last longer.
 
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I got a question on the lines of this why is it when u take omeprozole u can drink alcohol til the whole bottles gone n not be drunk??? I can drink a fifth of skyy on omeprozole n barely have a buzz. If i dont take the antacid ill be sloshed lol
-nuggbones
 
^I don't know if everything in that thread is actually true.

Agreed^^ I guess I just expect ppl to be able to read and sort through to find the real answers..
I was tired and not trying to explain the enzyme inhibition..but completely agree with your post.
Both of them.

~token
 
^I dunno, I read through the whole thread and I didn't see it properly explained anywhere. I just singled out that particular post because it was the first one on the subject and explained it is a pseudo-scientific sounding way. But no worries, not everyone has the time or the obsessive tendencies to write an absurdly long post like me ;)
 
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